"Tenacious" model

I defy anyone to find a skilled labour force that works in a "labour camp" for "some paltry sum that is supposed to indicate slave wages because it sounds like so little compared to a US wage". It can not be done. Slave labour or forced labour can not make a quality, sophisticated product. To argue against a Chinese based product based on some silly report of slavery is just silly.

At this point in time if one has to hold a beef with China it should only be due to their nasty habit of sending poison/toxic/hazardous materials to the US in form of food/toys/toiletries.
 
I ordered a Tenacious for stock, but I wasn't real excited about it. I definitely did not expect to want one for myself, especially being a liner lock.

Now, my Stretch 2 is in danger of being replaced as my primary EDC :eek:

The blade size, shape and handles work really well for me. The Spyderco quality is all there. It also looks great, IMO.

Tom
 
This is very interesting thread to read and see variety of opinions.
It is not a surprise for me that something made in China is good quality. China makes submarines, jets, spacecrafts, machinery and other sophisticated products. I am sure that almost anything today made in China can be up to highest international quality standards, especially with little help of western designers and engineers, and I think that in several years Chinese managers and engineers will not need help at all, they will be trained enough.

catamount123 said:
I ordered a Tenacious for stock, but I wasn't real excited about it. I definitely did not expect to want one for myself, especially being a liner lock.

Now, my Stretch 2 is in danger of being replaced as my primary EDC :eek:

The blade size, shape and handles work really well for me. The Spyderco quality is all there. It also looks great, IMO.

Tom
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Now I have a question. With Tenacious up to Spyderco quality standard, do you know any reason for any knife to be made in US, Japan, or Europe in couple years (steel can be improved as well, if necessary)? If Tenacious ($35 street) as good as Manix ($120 street) why would anybody pay triple?
 
do you know any reason for any knife to be made in US, Japan, or Europe in couple years
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hmm, excellent question. It would seem the only thing keeping that from happening is availability of "better" steels in China, and if the cutsomers will accept it.

The think the latter is an issue, there is no pride of ownership in circuit boards for example, so nobody cares as long as they are the cheapest.

Knives do though have pride of ownership.
 
The Deacon said:
Could be wrong, but IIRC, Wal-Mart specified that the knife be "Made in USA" and be able to be sold at a certain price point. That's not to say that they might not also elect to carry the Tenacious.
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You may be right, but I got the impression from Sal's post in the "Wal-Mart Native" thread that the country of origin was not specified by contract, but dictated by production capacity. I thought he had to go with a Golden model because the only way to guarantee meeting the volume Wal Mart demands was by making them in-house rather than contracting them out. After all, if the Buck knives in that case are made in China (which they are) what difference does it make if the Spyderco is too? It would still be the best knife in the case in my opinion ;)
 
I won't hold it against Spiderco for going to China as long as quality control is there, and the knives don't come out as junk. I know that Spiderco will demand the best quality build because their name and reputation is on it, right?
Thats why some products, and, Chinas reputation for some goods, are in the toilet right now. No quality control for what ever reason.

How many of us have bought some of those very bright, compact new LED flashlights that are being made in China, that are giving some US companies stiff competition.

I will probably stick to USA built knives,(my first Spiderco is a Native from Wal Mart) but I know that many will only look at the price. But heck, at least it will be a Spiderco, from a US company and not some junky crap brand being bought.

And it will be good for Spiderco too!:thumbup:
 
yablanowitz said:
You may be right, but I got the impression from Sal's post in the "Wal-Mart Native" thread that the country of origin was not specified by contract, but dictated by production capacity. I thought he had to go with a Golden model because the only way to guarantee meeting the volume Wal Mart demands was by making them in-house rather than contracting them out. After all, if the Buck knives in that case are made in China (which they are) what difference does it make if the Spyderco is too? It would still be the best knife in the case in my opinion ;)
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The made is USA was a lynch pin of the contract.
 
zenheretic said:
The made is USA was a lynch pin of the contract.
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{Native contract with walmart} Price was probably the lynch pin but the pin had to be made in the USA and those letters had to be stamped good and deep. Remember, during that time period walmart was taking a lot of heat from many media sources about how much business they were doing with china. It is very easy to understand why they were looking for a few more products MADE IN USA. The heat has died down quite a bit. The flame is NOT out. The "walmart native" thread is a good read.
 
Given a choice between the Native at $40 and Tenacious for well under that, I think the average Walmart buyer will go for the Tenacious; and still be getting a much better knife than anything else in the case.

If the Tenacious were made in Golden with S30V, knifeknuts would gladly pay $100+, and rave about it.

Tom
 
yablanowitz said:
I must admit that I only skimmed most of this thread, but I did not see anyone else expressing my particular thought, so I'll throw in my two cents.

As far as I can tell, Wal Mart shoppers are not looking for "Made in USA" labels. I would like to see the Tenacious replace the Native in the Wal Mart contract and free up all that Golden production capacity for other models.

Just a thought.
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I'm with you on this Yab ;)
Yeah, I think the Tenacious would be a "hit" at Walmarts for a "mid level" knife purchase......the Byrds would fill the needs for the "average wally world shopper" :rolleyes:
 
catamount123 said:
Given a choice between the Native at $40 and Tenacious for well under that, I think the average Walmart buyer will go for the Tenacious; and still be getting a much better knife than anything else in the case.

If the Tenacious were made in Golden with S30V, knifeknuts would gladly pay $100+, and rave about it.

Tom
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Where can I get a Tenacious for well under $40?
 
bh49 said:
This is very interesting thread to read and see variety of opinions.
It is not a surprise for me that something made in China is good quality. China makes submarines, jets, spacecrafts, machinery and other sophisticated products. I am sure that almost anything today made in China can be up to highest international quality standards, especially with little help of western designers and engineers, and I think that in several years Chinese managers and engineers will not need help at all, they will be trained enough.



Now I have a question. With Tenacious up to Spyderco quality standard, do you know any reason for any knife to be made in US, Japan, or Europe in couple years (steel can be improved as well, if necessary)? If Tenacious ($35 street) as good as Manix ($120 street) why would anybody pay triple?
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Hi Roman, perhaps this might be the direction the "market" for folders is heading :rolleyes:
 
I'll head down to the outlet and compare these to the Byrds and regular Spydercos. For the price I'd buy one. I like the design, but not fond of liner locks.

Would those that complain about an American business doing what is must to stay in business rather have the alternative? Would you rather see Spyderco go the way of Schrade and Camillus? Spyderco is known by serious knife buyers as a great product. The majority of knife sales are by the general public.

I see Spyderco doing what it has to do to stay in the game. Companies like Gerber and Buck are popular because they flood the market with new designs backed by name recognition and a reputation of quality. Knife people know how to tell a good product from a companies line from a lesser one. I see Spyderco going the opposite way of the larger companies. Instead of producing a majority of cheaper blades with a few high end models I see a few basic models that lead people to the high end models.

A company can't keep making the same designs and expect to compete. I think Spyderco has leadership and a quest for innovation that was lacking woth Schrade and Camillus.

Just my 2 cents.
 
ilbruche said:
I'll head down to the outlet and compare these to the Byrds and regular Spydercos. For the price I'd buy one. I like the design, but not fond of liner locks.

Would those that complain about an American business doing what is must to stay in business rather have the alternative? Would you rather see Spyderco go the way of Schrade and Camillus? Spyderco is known by serious knife buyers as a great product. The majority of knife sales are by the general public.

I see Spyderco doing what it has to do to stay in the game. Companies like Gerber and Buck are popular because they flood the market with new designs backed by name recognition and a reputation of quality. Knife people know how to tell a good product from a companies line from a lesser one. I see Spyderco going the opposite way of the larger companies. Instead of producing a majority of cheaper blades with a few high end models I see a few basic models that lead people to the high end models.

A company can't keep making the same designs and expect to compete. I think Spyderco has leadership and a quest for innovation that was lacking woth Schrade and Camillus.

Just my 2 cents.
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Great post ilbruche... I'm not a good businessman, nor do I know much about the "production knife industry" but from my "stadium chair" I share the same sentiments that you do.
 
ilbruche

well said..
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Well I went to the outlet today. The Tenacious is a very solid knife. Better than the Byrds as far as fit and finish. The only way I could tell it was made in China was from the stamp.

No gaps, clean grinds, basically everything a Spyderco is known for. I couldn't find a single flaw. It will be my next Spyderco purchase. Would have got one today but they had sold out of Plain edges. I think they were $37?

I also got a numbered Mule and a t-shirt for $5.
 
Received mine in the mail yesterday, after ordering directly from Spyderco for just under $50. Great knife, it DOES have all of the quality Spyderco's are known/loved for and to me, it doesn't make a difference that it's got the "China" stamp on it.. Just based on having it for a day or so now, I think it's a great blade for its price and is comparable to others with higher price tags. I have a feeling my new Tenacious is going to be my new EDC:D... or at least duke it out with my Native for the title!
 
ilbruche said:
I see Spyderco going the opposite way of the larger companies. Instead of producing a majority of cheaper blades with a few high end models I see a few basic models that lead people to the high end models.
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Exactly. They're doing what Toyota did with the Scion brand. People buy the Byrds (or the Tenacious) because they're cheap and work well. If that's the last knife they buy, that's okay; but some will look further into the Delica/Endura range and then up to the really high priced stuff. Now Spyderco has a life long customer (me) who is familiar with the brand and willing to pay the big bucks for quality. I don't see it as cheapening the entire product line.
 
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