The "Ask Nathan a Question" Thread

[SharpBits]

There is an interesting discussion over on the Spyderco forum right now regarding 3V. A bit of a campaign to get more knives in 3V, especially folding ones. Nathan, your name came up, along with Shawn and Larran as well. What would it take to get the ultimate 3V folding knife collab going? Have you talked to Sal about this? Seems like it could be a possibility and a good match, given that both entities are interested in operating in the higher blade performance envelope.

Too many people are missing out on what 3V is capable of, and it is being underutilized in the folding world.

Go ahead and post in the Spyderco forum here and make sure to tag Sal in the post, like this Sal Glesser . Let's get this ball rolling.

 

[Blues]

Go ahead and post in the Spyderco forum here and make sure to tag Sal in the post, like this Sal Glesser . Let's get this ball rolling.

And ask Nathan if you can have permission to quote his last post about the 3V suitable for folders and his having not been previously contacted on the matter. (With his "permission" stressed.)

 

[ferider]

I would hope that in the >= 2 years it would take for a collaboration product to come out, Nathan will finally make his CPK folder.

Also, I’m not sure another Manix or PM2 (because that’s what would happen ….) in harder D3V would be that interesting since Spyderco Cruwear is excellent.

 

[Jabrni]

I do have a special flavor of 3V that plays well at higher hardnesses that would be ideal for a folder.

They have not approached me about any collaborations

How about a 3V re-blade on something besides spyderco?

 

[toker]

I love Delta 3V, but doesn't it perform better in larger blades that are subject to a lot more abuse? Other than a broken tip here and there, I've never had an issue with M390/20CV, Magnacut, etc.

I'd rather have more edge retention.

 

[Synov]

I love Delta 3V, but doesn't it perform better in larger blades that are subject to a lot more abuse? Other than a broken tip here and there, I've never had an issue with M390/20CV, Magnacut, etc.

I'd rather have more edge retention.

Thinner, more acute edges give you better edge retention than more carbides.

 

[Nathan the Machinist]

Abrasive wear resistance does not directly equate to edge retention. At all. It is an easily measured component of edge retention.

Edge retention is simply the ability to retain an edge. Which is affected by a lot of variables, including how you use that edge. So, some materials will provide better edge retention in some uses compared to others. In many applications, edge stability can be the primary factor affecting edge retention. By this mechanism, excessive abrasion resistant carbide can actually reduce edge retention in many applications.

Edge stability is more difficult to quantify and there are many variables that can affect edge stability. But, adding carbide to improve abrasive wear resistance in the pursuit of edge retention can backfire because carbide generally reduces edge stability.

I have found that a clean, simple, uniform matrix of a hard tough steel with a moderate amount of evenly dispersed extremely hard carbides performs very well in most applications

 

[yoko]

Abrasive wear resistance does not directly equate to edge retention. At all. It is an easily measured component of edge retention.

Edge retention is simply the ability to retain an edge. Which is affected by a lot of variables, including how you use that edge. So, some materials will provide better edge retention in some uses compared to others. In many applications, edge stability can be the primary factor affecting edge retention. By this mechanism, excessive abrasion resistant carbide can actually reduce edge retention in many applications.

Edge stability is more difficult to quantify and there are many variables that can affect edge stability. But, adding carbide to improve abrasive wear resistance in the pursuit of edge retention can backfire because carbide generally reduces edge stability.

I have found that a clean, simple, uniform matrix of a hard tough steel with a moderate amount of evenly dispersed extremely hard carbides performs very well in most applications

I can't wait to use a thin blade with DOUBLE D 3V at work!!!!

Or should we call it Nathonium? Lol

 

[Red Leader]

whoops double post

 

[Red Leader]

I do have a special flavor of 3V that plays well at higher hardnesses that would be ideal for a folder.

They have not approached me about any collaborations

Go ahead and post in the Spyderco forum here and make sure to tag Sal in the post, like this Sal Glesser . Let's get this ball rolling.

I tagged Sal in the thread on the Spyderco.com forum and while I didn't make any direct quotes per se, I think the response here is generally positive and let him know that I think it could be an excellent opportunity to have quality collaboration, which Spyderco is known for. I hope it opens the door for a conversation at least.