The "Ask Nathan a Question" Thread

I was wondering if you could provide an estimate for the delivery timeline of K20 orders that were paid in full more than two years ago. Approximately how much longer do you expect those customers will need to wait?
#notnathan but the K20.1 pre-order was a 50% deposit, then pay the remaining 50% when complete agreement.

From what’s been posted, it looks like he’s getting close. However, with Blade Show next weekend, I’m quite sure they’ve been focusing on other things recently.
 
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I was wondering if you could provide an estimate for the delivery timeline of K20 orders that were paid in full more than two years ago. Approximately how much longer do you expect those customers will need to wait?
Two weeks.

Seriously though, you don't have to wait, you could get a refund of your half-full payment and make the next person on the wait list very happy.
 
#notnathan but the K20.1 pre-order was a 50% deposit, then pay the remaining 50% when complete agreement

To be fair international orders were 100% up front according to the original sale post.

Otherwise yeah +1 to what's been said. 1800 is less than what a k20 was worth then, much less after years of economic uncertainty. Hope nathan at least breaks even on them.
 
Nathan, has it really been two full years since? I honestly had to look it up! Where did the time go quickly?

Personally, I am very happy that you decided to take on this project again after the insanely fast flash type of sale when the original was K20 was offered, leaving some of the CPK faithful outside of the cut-off limit. For those who may not be aware, it was the advent of the K18 which actually speeded up the original K20 because Nathan learned so much from losing his shirt fulfilling that K18 project after KoD the TV program had already been cancelled. Recently, I got very excited about acquiring a Katana from another maker in here but without any prejudice to the esteemed maker, I just personally decided to take a pass even though I knew that the chances of getting a CPK-Katana at some future point are literally NIL! If Nathan and CPK, despite a very respectable amount of acquired experience from past sword projects in addition to all their in-house facilities and machineries in addition to probably many other challenges, still find these sword projects to becoming a real PITA to make to successful fulfillment, I applaud other makers for having the cajones to take on manufacturing traditional Japanese type swords in larger quantities than just boutique type quantities (say dozen at most). So many uncertainties and pitfalls from CAD to reality!

To think that you are going to get a 3K+ sword for < 2K even if had to pay the full payment upfront, it'd be a no brainer. This sword will be worth lots more than 3K in China the moment when it lands there. Of course, I am not suggesting that they will be for sale but whether the objective is pure joy of ownership or its commercial value, CPK went out of its way again to offer its first maxim: offering the best product for the sort of qty which they produce at a tremendous value for the $.

My apologies to Nathan if I'm just telling the truth without consulting with him first. Not that I would do so anyway 🥳
 
Would said potential buyer be you? Just asking for a friend.
Mayyyyyybe? 😁

Actually I think I'm pretty content with what I asked for in the pre-order. My point was more that there are probably 10 people who would love to have the spot in line for every person who is getting impatient with the time it is taking. Which I am sure most of us realize.
 
really two weeks?🤣

Without our cash reserve, vertical integration, and decades of experience as a manufacturer, the K18 would have bankrupted us. Even with our considerable manufacturing background and experience we still lost over 100 Grand on that project which would have buried a lot of small folks.

People making machine tool payments and paying rent on a facility would have had a real problem, but we were (and are) a debt-free company, which paid a real dividend in this time frame.

Covid-19 was a distillation process. It's important that things like that come along from time to time, it weeds out the weak. And then the strong can feast on their corpses. We picked up an enormous amount of manufacturing capacity in the years that followed, just due to all of the delicious tasty auctions.

Covid-19 and the K18 were difficult at the time but has made us a much stronger manufacturer in the long run.

The first round of the K20 was intentionally small. It was another potentially ruinous project.

We don't own the oven those are heat treated in. To be clear, we have three heat treat ovens and two tempering ovens, we are fully capable of heat treat at a small commercial level here, but we utilize a specific oven at Peter's heat treat for our protocol. It is simply the best setup for our process.

The same oven holds hundreds, even a thousand knife blade blanks when other makers utilize it but it is only able to hold 32 swords at a time, with our spacing and fixturing.

This kind of saved the day a little bit because, our process is not standard (the swords doubly so) and there was a hiccup during one of the batches where the blades were exposed to oxygen during a part of the process where you don't want that. This is where the ninja swords came from, they were reworked decarburized blades. We surface ground the flats, hand ground the primaries, set the edges back .030", and used acid to reduce the decarborized material in areas that were past the point in the process that they could be re-machined such as the fullers and the spine.

There was enough room in the oven for the hole batch, but fortunately our small loads prevented the entire run from being messed up.

So then we decide to do another run of swords. Despite a poor batting average. I was very clear in the pre-order that, they ship when they ship. No promises.

I already had material but I was surprised by the turnout and I ended up needing to have more material made.

We are not buying off the shelf 3V. It is made to our specifications. The swords, specifically, get an unusual amount of cross roll bias.

About this time frame we also started the Choppers. I had material for the Light Choppers, but we decided to add the Standard Chopper as a last minute option. And I'm glad we did. There was a hiccup getting that material made which pushed it back a little, and they both required our largest automatic grinder to deck it due to the sheet size, this was a log jam.

We also decided to add the Fat Bastard to the tail end of the field knife production. This became a log jam on that machining center, which pushed back the production of the swords.

I offer no apology for this, the swords are disruptive in this process, we shouldn't even be making swords, so it just is what it is.

We are finishing up the very last of the choppers. The Standard Choppers. We ran the Behemoth Choppers through at the tail end, but we had a few plates of steel of the standard material that gave some problems grinding. These last few plates of material need to be ground so they can be machined so that machine, our Mori Seiki GV-503, can start the final trim out on our sword blade blanks.

The status right now is, 100% of the sword sheets have been decked. 50% of those sheets have been fully processed into "sword-shaped objects", trimmed out, with fullers. They are waiting to go on to the GV-503 but the last few plates of Chopper material still need to be ground before a changeover and our large automatic grinder has finally died.

We run large Chevalier surface grinders that have been modified to grind these materials without inducing heat or distortion that would make the blades warp in processing. It's actually difficult to surface grind a large thin sheet like this, but we have a process for it.

We have several automatic grinders but the large sheets can only be run on our big grinder. It is such an integral part of our manufacturing process that we keep a spare on hand. We got five or six years out of this grinder which is the most we've ever gotten, that grinder doesn't owe me any money. We pulled it out and put the spare in. There was a significant amount of work, there's more to it than just moving a 4 ton grinder, it runs at a different voltage, we needed to install some different dust collectors, and there was an issue that required rewiring a significant part of the electronics so this was a big project.

I keep an eye out for these grinders at the auctions and, coincidentally a good candidate came up and we went up to Ohio and got it. Which is good because now we still have a spare. And we might end up pressing into production because we're having an issue with the grinder we just installed. These big grinders do not come up every day, I'm glad we had a spare and I'm glad we are able to find a replacement for that spare.

Anyways, I've been working nights and weekends trying to get everything put back together and everything back into production. And this week is blade show week, so now I'm trying to make delicious tasty knives from Mark's grinding for all spring, for this blade show coming up this Friday.

Anyways, long story short. I'm still not able to grind the sheets for the gv-503 how I want them, so I can't take the chopper setup down yet, so I can't finish the trim outs on these sword blanks, which means I can't start beveling them yet.

Any other pattern, I can move it around from one machine to another or slip it into one part of production or another, but these swords are disruptive. They require modifications to the machines and significant changes during the changeovers. They are not perfectly compatible with our manufacturing process so they create log jams. And get jammed up themselves.

I had hoped to turn these around quickly because I already knew how to make them and I already have material on hand. However the size of the turnout dictated acquiring more material, which is not a standard offering, which messed up its placement in our manufacturing process and two different patterns landed in front of it. The alternative was to wait and keep the swords in place in the production queue and I had already decided before I even began the sword project that I was not going to let it screw up the rest of our production. That kind of thinking leads to ruination, and would prevent me from even attempting another sword project.

This is the problem with making swords.

I worry for any small maker attempting to undergo a large sword run. Any manufacturer anywhere making anything is only a few miscalculations and a small run of bad luck away from being ruined, and things like swords (real swords) introduce a lot of variables that a person experiencing the Dunning Kruger effect might underestimate. Making real swords is not like making knives.
 
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If only Nathan would take his time when posting...
If I make a response that's long enough, it won't fit into the translation apps

Lol 😁


The GV-503 is going to run the Kukri.

Once the swords come off, that will get started. I do still have some R&D to do.

Every blade has a very specific center of percussion. I can calculate this in ProE. But that calculation is an imperfect estimate.

For most knives, this really is not that critical. Center of gravity can be calculated precisely, CP requires some assumptions about how it is held and how it will react in your hand on impact. There are additional, difficult to quantify, variables.

For most knives, if you're off a half an inch in your estimation, you're fine. The same is not true for a Kukri. That CP needs to land just ahead of a specific part of the geometry, the convex part just before it transitions into concave. And every American manufactured Kukri that I have evaluated has gotten it wrong.

(Ask me about this if you come out this october, I will show it to you)

We're going to get it right, but this is going to require physical prototypes before we start production.

Anyway, I was going to run the semi integral dagger on there first (the material is ready) but we're getting behind on the Kukri project so we're going to move that to the front.
 
If I make a response that's long enough, it won't fit into the translation apps

Lol 😁


The GV-503 is going to run the Kukri.

Once the swords come off, that will get started. I do still have some R&D to do.

Every blade has a very specific center of percussion. I can calculate this in ProE. But that calculation is an imperfect estimate.

For most knives, this really is not that critical. Center of gravity can be calculated precisely, CP requires some assumptions about how it is held and how it will react in your hand on impact. There are additional, difficult to quantify, variables.

For most knives, if you're off a half an inch in your estimation, you're fine. The same is not true for a Kukri. That CP needs to land just ahead of a specific part of the geometry, the convex part just before it transitions into concave. And every American manufactured Kukri that I have evaluated has gotten it wrong.

(Ask me about this if you come out this october, I will show it to you)

We're going to get it right, but this is going to require physical prototypes before we start production.

Anyway, I was going to run the semi integral dagger on there first (the material is ready) but we're getting behind on the Kukri project so we're going to move that to the front.
Thank You for the Kukri update!

🤘🍺🤘
 
The K20 is my dream sword. Unfortunately, I only discovered CPK after the preorder had already ended, so I'm waiting for it to show up in a Friday Sale. Hopefully, one day that dream will come true.

At least I was able to join the Kukri preorder, and I'm happy to hear this update. It looks like my old, worn-out Nepalese kukri will finally be able to enjoy a well-deserved retirement.
 
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