The Bad: Trade with Dustin Young

Tough call, but the OP seems to be sincere about it arriving to him already stripped out. It would be hard for any of us to flat out call him a liar without definitive proof. Same as it would be hard to call you a liar without proof as well. But seeing as you weren't the original owner and only had the knife for a few days, I could assume that something like that could slip by undetected.
 
Totally agree but the op has decided to against the forums rules basha sellers sales thread then come rebuttal the accused response
-Corey- said:
Tough call, but the OP seems to be sincere about it arriving to him already stripped out. It would be hard for any of us to flat out call him a liar without definitive proof. Same as it would be hard to call you a liar without proof as well. But seeing as you weren't the original owner and only had the knife for a few days, I could assume that something like that could slip by undetected.
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-Corey- said:
Tough call, but the OP seems to be sincere about it arriving to him already stripped out. It would be hard for any of us to flat out call him a liar without definitive proof. Same as it would be hard to call you a liar without proof as well. But seeing as you weren't the original owner and only had the knife for a few days, I could assume that something like that could slip by undetected.
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This is exactly how i feel, except it would have fallen out while i played with it. I WOULD have noticed it if it was stripped and just fell out like he claims it happened when he removed it from the pouch. I'll do what i need to, to clear this up, but his story does not make sense.
 
-Corey- said:
Tough call, but the OP seems to be sincere about it arriving to him already stripped out. It would be hard for any of us to flat out call him a liar without definitive proof. Same as it would be hard to call you a liar without proof as well. But seeing as you weren't the original owner and only had the knife for a few days, I could assume that something like that could slip by undetected.
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I totally agree, but all i have is my memory of me handling the knife, the video right before it was packaged, and his story. I did have it a short time, and i didn't inspect the shit out of it, i am guilty of that. But the story of it falling out when he took it out is just bizarre, but it could be true. Watch the video i posted, please. Pay attention to how everything looks.
 
DustinY said:
I totally agree, but all i have is my memory of me handling the knife, the video right before it was packaged, and his story. I did have it a short time, and i didn't inspect the shit out of it, i am guilty of that. But the story of it falling out when he took it out is just bizarre, but it could be true. Watch the video i posted, please. Pay attention to how everything looks.
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I know this much the op came here bitching about a sales or trade you rebuttaled. Days later in your sales thread the op decided that's where he wanted to break the forums rules. Now Dustin you want to post all you have is your memory wtf at first your side seemed legit now not so much just saying
 
gonebad395 said:
Totally agree but the op has decided to against the forums rules basha sellers sales thread then come rebuttal the accused response
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Definitely a no no.

DustinY said:
I totally agree, but all i have is my memory of me handling the knife, the video right before it was packaged, and his story. I did have it a short time, and i didn't inspect the shit out of it, i am guilty of that. But the story of it falling out when he took it out is just bizarre, but it could be true. Watch the video i posted, please. Pay attention to how everything looks.
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I watched the video but only got a glimpse of the overtravel stop at the end. If you feel confident that he's not being honest, then you really just have to consider whether you want to stand your ground on principle or satisfy him to be done with it.
 
-Corey- said:
Definitely a no no.



I watched the video but only got a glimpse of the overtravel stop at the end. If you feel confident that he's not being honest, then you really just have to consider whether you want to stand your ground on principle or satisfy him to be done with it.
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I want to stand on principle, but its my side vs his, and it's childish. I got offended and didn't act the best, and i should have responded to this post sooner. Its been a learning experience, and i will never send a knife out without fully inspecting the shit out of it. I played with the knife multiple times, made multiple videos, and never had an issue. This is a horror story of an incident.
 
gonebad395 said:
I know this much the op came here bitching about a sales or trade you rebuttaled. Days later in your sales thread the op decided that's where he wanted to break the forums rules. Now Dustin you want to post all you have is your memory wtf at first your side seemed legit now not so much just saying
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All i have is my memory, and the videos and the pictures, there is nothing about that statement that isn't true. There is no way in hell it goes from the video, and the multiple times i played with it, to stripped and falling out without something else acting on it. I just want OP to tell the truth, all i wanted from the beginning, i believe the people here can decipher bullshit when they see it. OP has so much positive feedback it leads me to believe he broke it, and just didn't want to tell me, so he thought his could hold this above me and send me back his mistake, which is totally fine, if he was honest about it.
 
gonebad395 said:
I know this much the op came here bitching about a sales or trade you rebuttaled. Days later in your sales thread the op decided that's where he wanted to break the forums rules. Now Dustin you want to post all you have is your memory wtf at first your side seemed legit now not so much just saying
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I also instantly sought out advice from the member that i received the knife from because he had it longer than i did. I'm standing my ground based off my experience with the knife, and the reassurance that he was able to provide. I can post pictures of that whole conversation as well.
 
I moved his post from your sales thread here where it belongs
 
gonebad395 said:
Seems the blamed member has come here to speak his side and the op has not came back. But yet 15 days later the op thinks it is ok to bash the blamed members sale thread which is so against the rules
http://www.bladeforums.com/threads/yojimbo-2-and-pm2-black-out.1507270/#post-17311350
So the op can't defend his spot here the accused did and the the op bashes a sales thread 15 days later wow
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Did you happen to read the part where the seller demanded payment by F&F or the buyer pays a 4% fee to cover the sellers costs?
 
JohnWE said:
Did you happen to read the part where the seller demanded payment by F&F or the buyer pays a 4% fee to cover the sellers costs?
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Prices are net dude, everyone on the planet does this? I could adjust the prices and just ask g&s too dude! Why are you reaching for straws here?
 
jstn said:
I had a few knives for sale here: http://bladeforums.com/threads/fs-spydercos-pm2-yo2-and-pm2-m4.1501103/#post-17262446

I was contacted by a forum member named Dustin Young (I do not know his forum name) throuh email and then text. He wanted to trade me brand new Reate District 9 Plus for my Yojimbo 2 and PM2. We worked out details and agreed he would throw in $40 as I did not really want to trade the knives and preferred selling them. I thought this sounded too good to be true and it was.

We both sent out our knives, and when I opened mine, the lockbar overtravel and screw fell out. The knife was otherwise as described by Dustin. I figured they must be loose, no big deal, so I tried to tighten it back. The screw hole was completely stripped out, so I was unable tighten it even a small amount.

I contacted Dustin and explained the situation. He claimed it did not leave him that way so I took him at his word. I asked if there was a previous owner and he said he contacted him as well, and the previous owner said it was not stripped. Very soon after, Dustin texted me back saying that I must have broken it. I have never adjusted an overtravel stop, and did not adjust this one. He kept insisting that I stripped the screw. We went back and forth for awhile, with hostility levels rising. I suggested we reverse the trade, but he claimed no fault and kept telling me I should sent it to Reate, which I found odd. I tried to get him to discuss this via phone, but he would not. Dustin was very quick to rush to judgement that the only viable answer was that this was completely my doing, and that I was proceeding dishonestly. I had hoped we could find some middle ground as a resolution, or at least discuss the situation some way besides through texting, but he was unwilling.

I am chalking this up as a loss on my part; I will likely sell the knife as is with an honest description as it is only affected aesthetically. I have very good feedback as well as hundreds of other deals on the forums that have gone well, so I guess it was time for a bad one. I understand it is my word against his, so everyone can take from that what they will. If you've dealt with me before, you know I am honest in my transactions. I don't expect this to be resolved, and it is not a huge deal as I have plenty of knives. I would, however, advise others to proceed with caution when dealing with Dustin.

-Justin Crain
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It's unfortunate, but anytime you roll the dice and agree to a trade, you're left with zero protection & any discretion you may have had or felt, is handed over to your trading partner, & visa versa.

You've been around here for quite a long time, Justin, & I for one, have no doubt that your being completely truthful here. :thumbsup:



DustinY said:
I guess here is where i state my side of the two sided story, and we allow the users to determine what is what.

I did initially contact him about his yojimbo 2 because i've wanted one for a while, i saw it posted on page 10 of the for sale ad, and instantly wanted to know if it was still available. OP had it posted for a price that i was going to be surprised if it wasn't sold. He informed me he still had the knives and we talked about a trade deal. I had received a Reate District 9 Plus in a trade for a grail and i knew i would be posting the Reate as it wasn't my thing. I received the Reate in mint condition, just as the user on BF had told me it was, but didn't spend much time playing with it. I remember flipping it with the thumb studs for 10 minutes or so, but ultimately decided there were other knives for this price i'd rather have. OP said that both of his blades in the trade had side to side play, and i made him a through video that i can post here SHOWING the knife as being mint. We agreed to terms (i threw in a nice cash porkchop to get my hands back on another PM2 and the yojimbo 2 was also included, i wanted these knives and was willing to pay a little price to swap a blade that was to large for me for one that i knew i was fond of a chance at trying the yojimbo 2). OP receives the knives a day earlier than i receive his, i'm pretty adamant about shipping early and well packaged, i hear horror stories all the time of peoples stuff getting banged up or not receiving the knife so i bubble wrap the pouches i ship and tape the shit out of the box. He shoots me a text saying that the "Hey, i got the reate today. there seems to be an issue. When i opened it up the lockbar stabilizer and the screw fell out. So i tried to screw it in, but it seems it is stripped. The screw just spins freely.". Now i handled the knife three or four times, and a lengthy time to make a video of the condition (i have a dog that was being wild during some of them and had to make multiples). It seemed so bizarre to me that a screw would just fall out, so i a told OP that it left here perfect (it was still in its plastic baggy) and asked if he was taking it apart. It seemed almost impossible that a screw would just pop out when he was taking it out of the bag, but during the multiple times i handled it, i never once had an issue. He said he just wanted to see if i had any suggestions and if it was an issue before, and that everything else looked great which was odd. I told him it was brand new when it left my possession, that i never disassembled it (i only had it for three days before i sent it off, it was my initial intention when accepting the trade), and i reviewed the video and pictures i sent him and told him the screw looks fine in them. He said he was going to fidget and screw with it. He then texts me again saying the screw is stripped and that its not satisfactory as it wasn't as described but with pieces just falling off it when he took it out of the pouch that isn't satisfactory. I told him i'd never had a bad trade, that the knife left my possession new, and i'm finding it hard to believe that it just fell out. He said its definitely stripped and asked if i was the first owner, i told him no and contacted the original owner who i did the trade with and explained the situation to him. He advised me that this gentleman was pulling one over on me, that he had never taken the knife apart, and that screws don't just fall out (which i totally agree with, it seemed impossible that i handled it so many times without ever noticing this, that the previous owner had no issues, and that it magically fell out stripped when he got it). I respond that there is no way that it just fell out, i packaged it well, and would have noticed it during the multiple times i handled it. He called me which i found to be a great gesture, but i was in summer school when all this was going down and couldn't walk out of the classroom. He threatens to go public and tells me that i tried to pull a fast one on him, where i respond with a lengthy text about letting the public decide. In that text i mention i'm willing to trade back if he tells me the truth, like he stripped it while taking it down, or pressed hard on the lockbar and stripped it. I don't think knives are meant to be fragile, and was more than happy to correct it if i got the true story. OP stuck to his side and posted this.
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^ This was pretty difficult to read.

Furthermore, your redundant posts here & on page 2; requesting that Justin basically confess that he's been less than forthcoming & everything will be forgiven... isn't going to happen. :thumbsdown:

Maybe it's just a sign of the times, but what I have a hard time understanding (after reading Justin's OP), is why didn't you just use your phone to call him, after you got out of class??? This isn't the type of situation, that you handle via texting! You pick up the phone, and you try to resolve this situation, man to man!

Nobody will ever be able to prove or disprove, what exactly happened to this knife, when, or by whom....
 
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DustinY said:
Prices are net dude, everyone on the planet does this? I could adjust the prices and just ask g&s too dude![/QUOTE]

I don't!

Perhaps summer school, has been a little too stressful on you lately? :oops:
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KELAMA said:
I don't!

Perhaps summer school, has been a little too stressful on you lately? :oops:
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I guess its hyperbolic to say everyone, but a good amount of users do. Its just a helpless attempt to grasp at something, but thanks okay by me. Regarding your other post Kelama, thats the beautiful thing brother, you get to pick and choose who you deal with. I agree, i should have returned the phone call, but i was pretty upset. My mistake, like i said, it escalated and blew up to questioning character and integrity to fast. Came here to try and find a solution, over a small trade, that went completely wrong. I've learned my lesson, and i'm moving forward from this.
 
DustinY said:
I totally agree, i allowed the personal attacks of him thinking i was trying to steal from him get to me. The story didn't seem believable either and i just wanted the truth. OP could totally be telling the truth, USPS isn't exactly gentle with their flat rate boxes, it just seemed like the least likely scenario.

P.S Many knives with multiple owners can pass as new, as is not carried and never used to cut anything, i throughly explained the condition to OP, but the word "Like-New" would be better used. Thanks.
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The personal attacks went both ways big guy. You wanted the truth and you got it. Was I supposed to lie and say I broke the knife, when I did no such thing? USPS can be as careless as they want, but it would be quite a feat to strip a screw through shipment. You have some growing up to do.
 
gonebad395 said:
Seems the blamed member has come here to speak his side and the op has not came back. But yet 15 days later the op thinks it is ok to bash the blamed members sale thread which is so against the rules
http://www.bladeforums.com/threads/yojimbo-2-and-pm2-black-out.1507270/#post-17311350
So the op can't defend his spot here the accused did and the the op bashes a sales thread 15 days later wow
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Well, I do sleep. The reason I spoke up here is that the two knives I traded him, that I was conned out of, are up for sale, so I figured I would give a fair warning to other members. If I get an infraction then so be it.
 
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