The Great Troll Road; pay at the gate

Another troll bites the dust.



A couple days ago I went back through the archive and uncovered a thread in which a Burafan identity decided to get into a pathetic, but hillarious, battle of wits with some people here. The one where he spoke of Yvsa's "refalance." God, I still literally cry with laughter when I read the brilliant verbal massacre dealt by the good people of this forum. There are few things better than seeing trolls receive their justice. :D

Nam
 
Namaarie,

That BF dance went on for a long time. (Josh used to light up with Glee whenever he'd show....) I'm still afraid to speak names for fear of waking the dead.



munk
 
Munk, thanks very much for the update. Unbelievable! I know people were floating this as an idea, that it was just one person, but I really didn't believe it for a second.

The fact is, I dealt with Simon personally last year when I bought a 13.5" Tin Chirra from him. He didn't have it in stock at the time, but his customer service was impeccable. He wrote to me several times, gave me several options, and was very responsive. The S&H was a killer, but overall the price was good and the quality was good as well. I really do like their knives. I just also really like HI knives as well, and his putting down HI so blatantly and directly implying that Uncle Bill was selling tourist junk really infuriated me. Now all of his previous good relations and building a customer base has been ruined, and for what? For a couple of cheap shots at HI? And now he is off BF as well? I predict his big khuk selling days (2 or 3 a month maybe?) are over for good.

Sad, really. He stepped in it publicly, and then rather than admit his mistake to about the most forgiving guys on the planet, he continued to dig the hole by ongoing attacks in his alternate guises.

"Like a dog returneth to his vomit, so does a fool to his folly."

Regards,

Norm
 
munk said:
Simon/sirupate,limbo, ghurka and whatever else is gone. He was caught in multiple identities in violation of Blade forum policy and has been banned by Industrial Super Mods.

munk
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I assume this was through using the same IP address. It's a real shame when things like this happen.
 
I hate getting involved in all this.... but here I go again.

I previously said in an earlier post somewhere that Simon is/was JUST Sirupate. That is the truth.

Simon was NOT Gurkha, NOT Limbu and Not Kukrilove. He was JUST Sirupate. There were 3 guys in my house when I got home last night after being out for my Hen night, one of them Simon. They were all using the same PC, hence the same IP address.

I know this won't affect any decisions, but thought you should all know.

I can't let you all say that they were all Simon, as that is not the truth.

Regards

Leanne
 
Kohei said:
Simon was NOT Gurkha, NOT Limbu and Not Kukrilove. He was JUST Sirupate. There were 3 guys in my house when I got home last night after being out for my Hen night, one of them Simon. They were all using the same PC, hence the same IP address.
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I tend to believe you here. At least, I find it hard to believe that someone could act in such a manner.

However, it seems like the situation could have been handled better in that case. When three seperate people post in a similar style, all agreeing with each other, from the same IP address, with accounts with very few posts... what are the mods going to think?

Maybe they should have all posted from the same account, with a statement of who the person was. This, at least, could not be considered a violation of any BF rules.

Mods, was it just one instance where they were all using the same IP address? Or was it consistent throughout the entire thread? If so, I would say it's unlikely that they all were posting from the same location over a period of a couple days.
 
I agree, the situation could have been handled much better, as could the whole subject. However, as I have previously stated, what is done is done. There is too much water under the bridge to clear this up, so I'm not even gonna try.

The guys were a little worse for wear when I got in last night (as was I come to think of it!), a few empty bottles around the place. Not an excuse for their behaviour I might add, but may help to give further insight into last nights events.

Leanne
 
Getting soused and then posting on the computer is not a good idea, especially when a person tends to say things that they wouldn't dare say when sober. Not saying that Simon and friends did this but just speaking generally.

Ice
 
Whether it was one lunatic or fifteen lunatics, the intent was obvious... to deceive.
 
Kohei is as suspect as Simon as far as I am concerned...and to be now offering excuses such as "3 guys in the house all drinking" is at least convienent.

You might know that I do systems engineering and computer security work. Reputiation is a keystone of secure systems...*knowing* who is on the other end of any computer transaction. There is no reputiation with the computer in use by Simon...like with BF, they could *all* be the same individual.

If Kohei *is* in fact known personally to someone, it might be different, but even then, as all grown men have been told by their parents, you are judged by the company you keep.

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"...caught in multiple identities in violation of Blade forum policy..."

Damnit! Can't a sock puppet have a little fun around here :D:D:D
 
Kohei-

Tell us Simon was not limbu?
Tell us that.

Was not this one or that one?
What possible difference does it make?
He arrived when U Bill was sick and made enough controversial statements that the late Moderator Rusty asked him to leave.
Later, He set up bait and insulted the most respected company in the world after the owner recently passed away
He provided a pipe line of trolls directly to the bait thread
He refused to apologize or correct derrogatory and false statements; ie poorly made, etc
He implied Mr. Powel was rife with error,and had to be reminded that Mr Powel is a researcher of integrity who corrects error as he progresses.
He got caught with mulitiple identities- A big Blade Forum taboo.

It makes no difference if he didn't happen to be Mr Toad but was Mr Frog. Or that all his Toads got drunk at his pad and no one's responsible.

He has defined Tora.


munk
 
Whatever the reason, justice was served. You can't reverse the quality and good will that one of the most beloved men i the knife community established over nearly 2 decades with just a few posts. Furthermore, attacking his company tastelessly after his passing is not only unethical a businessman, but about as low as you can go on the human totem pole. After the fiasco with Simon in the FMA forum you be sure that there at LEAST two dozen potential customers with a track record of buying thousands of dollars worth of khuks that will avoid Tora like sun-sweltering bloated road-kill.
Kohei has always shown herself to be a voice of reason. I respect her, but I also respected Simon at one point. To be as honest and as respectful as possible, i don't believe anyone of the cantina wants to set the record straight of how and who and why Simon did what he did. In a situation like this I'm going to paraphrase my old highschool football coach. "Excuses are like {rectums}. Everyone's got one and they all stink".
I really wish Simon and Leanne the best of luck for the fact that they are in a small way carrying on what Uncle Bill would want, providing an income for the good people of Nepal. I just think Tora as a company should lay low for awhile and prove they are more than slander and mud slinging, then maybe you'll earn a few of us back enough to try your blades.

Jake
 
Nasty said:
If Kohei *is* in fact known personally to someone, it might be different, but even then, as all grown men have been told by their parents, you are judged by the company you keep.

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she is a known person. Kohei has at no point (as far as I am aware) caused any trouble, her only crime on here as far as I can make out is being involved with Simon. Is there now going to be a witch hunt for all members of the Tora forum or people thathave delt with Simon on a forum other then bladeforums.
Am I now to be next in line?
 
Andy, that is a false premise and you know it. You are welcome here, and so is any member of any other forum. You always have been, and even in the controversial thread, HI members went out of their way attempting to find common ground. One member actually went overseas to Tora's own livingroom in this attempt. We at HI are compassionate and fair.

Consider this; when a man tampers with his identity, he lets open all manner of question about who he is and what he really believes. In that context, it very reasonable and logical to question. I will not go into the details of multiple identities, and what happened in this case. But it is intelligent and practical to wonder just who is who.
And who brought this on?
Right.


munk
 
LOL...no Andy...no witch hunts. I have several friends who are witches.

If you choose to let Simon or one of his multiple personas come to your home and use your computer to post garbage under false identities and end up getting your account IP locked out, that would not be a witch hunt...it would be a matter of consequence.

Many good people and close friends of mine have dealt with, and may continue to deal with as far as I know, Simon.

*I* choose not to.

As a matter of computer security, I don't know who is typing from the apparently shared computer at that IP.

No one does except those in control of that computer.

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It's not hard to imagine Simon sharing his trolling with a couple of friends, passing the bottle around, taking their suggestions and typing them in with his own peculiar pattern of grammar and spelling, and he might even feel some of the posts he wrote were his friends' posts not his. It doesn't matter -- even if several different people had written those posts entirely independantly, they were all trolling and all did enough to be banned.

All of the posts are still available for everyone who's interested to read. Go to advanced search and put in a username, go down to the bottom of the screen and check the box for posts (instead of threads) and you'll get a list of all the posts made by that username. You can compare the patterns of trolling and grammar and spelling for yourself.

The break came last night. Simon wrote a reply to something he posted as "limbu" and signed that reply "Simon" but posted it as "limbu." He realized his mistake and edited it so quickly it doesn't show on the forum, but one of the moderators had subscribed to the thread so he got the original unedited post. When he informed me of Simon's mistake I started looking at IPs and patterns of writing style.

Limbu, Gurkha, Spiraltwista (banned quite a while back), Sirupate, all used the same IP. Kohei uses that same IP too but is clearly a different person. Kukrilove, who got himself banned a few days ago, used a different IP.

You can follow my path from there; read the posts and it's easy to see four of the people using that IP are the same person and Kohei is a different person. You can't see a person's face on the net; all you see is his writing, but his writing style can be as distinctive as a face....
 
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