The letters need to be written- Federal knife Ban update

mlanghornes said:
I simply don't see how it could be construed to cover one-handed opening knives or slipjoints.
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I am as paranoid and proactive about protecting our freedoms as anyone, but I find the "article" cited in the first post to be hyperbolic, highly exaggerated, and containing a good serving of horse hockey.

We are in for the fight of our lives to save our Pocket Knives
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Really? An administrative agency's ruling does not supplant federal statutory law (the so-called Switchblade Act set out in 15 USC 29) or the federal or state case law based on the Act.

If this proposed ruling is allowed to stand, thousands of jobs will be lost
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Give me a break. Again, a Customs rules change - even if boneheaded and contrary to existing federal law - does not supplant the law. Is the U.S. Attorney's Office going to enjoin Buck and Case from manufacturing slipjoints because Customs tells them to? Of course not. Is a Customs rules change going to insinuate itself into federal statutory and case law? The burden is on the author to demonstrate that connection, and he has fallen woefully short, in my opinion.

Again, I cherish my freedoms as much as anyone. We are all on the same page here. And I believe the current administration will stop at nothing to destroy America as we know it. But I view the cited "article" from kniferights.org as more akin to the NRA scare tactic fundraisers I get in the mail than an objective analysis of the facts. JMO.

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It says that over 1000 people have viewd this thread, and something like 40 have replied. I hope for the sake of our rights you are all sending these letters. They are practicaly written for us on knife rights. Emailing the letters to congress/reps/ senators/ et cetera is sooo easy. Mine are in.

We need you all.
 
I have letters ready to go out. I am not going to get into the other part of the conversations going on. Leave that to you all.
 
powernoodle, Chuck Buck, the owner of Buck, feels the same as Doug Ritter. The US Customs, FBI and US Postal Police ( Inspectors), all use the same working defintion of a prohibited item, so if one agency prohibits importation due to the understanding that they are now classifed as a switchblade, then all the others will follow. This is NOT specualtion, it is fact. I did my gun and badge time in NYC , and have dealth with all the above agencies. I wish Sal Glesser from Syderco would jump in as within the last two years the US Customs went after him for importing parts to make butterfly knives and he was forced under the treat of jail to plead guilty, and forfiet merchandise and pay fines that totalled $400,000. The wording of the law states any knife that could be opned via inertia. Read the discussions that took place and you will see they clearly intended to ban folding knives that could be flicked open. Yes, it has not been enforced that way TILL NOW. This is just what happened in NYC over the years, and I saw it all happen. AT first a "gravity knife" charge was only leveled against a true bad guy that commited a robbery or murder and the "flickable" knife was deemed a gravity knife in court cases. As time went on the NYPD started to arrest people for mere possession of a gravity knife. In NY the knife has to lock open to be classified as such, but not in the US law where it just has to open by gravity or inertia. Class is over. Please write the letters or prepare to some day soon be considered a criminal for a knife you now leagally own....
 
archieblue said:
Ignore your rights and they will go away.

Everyone here has a responsibility to write letters, and tell EVERYONE they know to do the same regardless of their view of necessity of the tool. THIS WILL MAKE CRIMINALS out of GOOD PEOPLE who would never hurt anyone, nor would it cross their mind.

I urge everyone to ACT IMMEDIATELY... not tomorrow, not "when I can get around to it.."

Don't put this off!!!
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Agreed.

I have written the one to the CBP and mailed it today via postal mail. I've also emailed one of my Senators directly.

If this crap continues and they rule one handed knives as illegal and then they take away guns there will be a civil war in this country. If there is not, I'll move out.
 
Letters sent to Kyl, McCain, and Kirkpatrick.

Will not waste my effort sending letters to Customs. They cannot read anyway.
 
I am Canadian, I want to send a letter but I really don't even know what to do... I think someone should write somthing about what international people should write about this situation. All I know is that it is just wrong! Hard to believe that Canada, Australia and the UK are going to have less strict knife laws then the US.
 
FlaMtnBkr said:
You may not be sure about it, but others in the know are. Why would you make such a silly comment like that on such a serious matter? Are you a lawyer?

I will leave it at that so I don't get in trouble...
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I'm glad that you are in the habit of not thinking for yourself and immediately deferring to whatever you feel qualifies as "in the know." After all, discussion really is just silly without jurist doctorate.
 
tom19176 said:
The wording of the law states any knife that could be opned via inertia. Read the discussions that took place and you will see they clearly intended to ban folding knives that could be flicked open. Yes, it has not been enforced that way TILL NOW.
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I respectfully disagree. They defined inertia as the combined force of the manual opening and the spring. If a folder is shipped tight enough to be almost impossible to flick open by the average person, a manufacturer can clearly use that to get through this ruling. Even if the agency wanted to argue about doing a "spyder drop" to open a knife by inertia or gravity, that is not the intended use or method of opening, and the manufacturer can not be held liable for that.

Also, the article stated that one-handed knives DO represent a useful utility feature. They even defined several types of blades that are designed for utility, including the clip point. The discussion centers on whether or not assisted opening knives have a significant utilitarian benefit. IMO, they are useful only in self defense, and then only marginally. How much time do you truly save? 1/10th of a second? 2/10ths?

Don't get me wrong, I plan to write a letter. I just still cannot see them banning one-handed opening knives. Too much business to lose, not enough justification.
 
mlanghornes said:
I just still cannot see them banning one-handed opening knives. Too much business to lose, not enough justification.
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Don´t expect that! They have over here. You are still allowed to carry under "exeptions" but the law generally bans one handed opening folders.

They have expected a good influence on the business because good ppl. will run and get new knives.

And look: Most "good" ppl. leave their one handed folders at home, even though they could claim the "exeptions" for themselves. They just don´t dare.

It can be done because most ppl. don´t carry knives, so most ppl. aren´t inflicted.

Good luck you all!
 
mlanghornes said:
I respectfully disagree. They defined inertia as the combined force of the manual opening and the spring. If a folder is shipped tight enough to be almost impossible to flick open by the average person, a manufacturer can clearly use that to get through this ruling. Even if the agency wanted to argue about doing a "spyder drop" to open a knife by inertia or gravity, that is not the intended use or method of opening, and the manufacturer can not be held liable for that.

Also, the article stated that one-handed knives DO represent a useful utility feature. They even defined several types of blades that are designed for utility, including the clip point. The discussion centers on whether or not assisted opening knives have a significant utilitarian benefit. IMO, they are useful only in self defense, and then only marginally. How much time do you truly save? 1/10th of a second? 2/10ths?

Don't get me wrong, I plan to write a letter. I just still cannot see them banning one-handed opening knives. Too much business to lose, not enough justification.
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Tell this to the folks in NYC who get arrested because some PO has trained himself to flick open knives that even the owner cannot flick open.

Tell this to the folks who owned GM and nopw see the Govt owning 60% and the Unions owning most of the balance. "They can't do that" but they did
 
Letters composed, signed and faxed yesterday morning to my three representatives' in Washington. OldDude1

"In today already walks tomorrow." ~Friedrich von Schiller
 
Hope it helps. She defends hunter's rights where I live, so I imagine she's interested, one of the few democrats who's pro- guns.
I just wonder if this whole thing is happening because someone in a federal office is trying to make a name for themselves or if they've actually based this ruling on sound evidence- I believe it's the former but the industry is still gonna have to fight that one. As a collector- user I would rather not wear underwear than not have a knife with me. Knives have been a part of my life for 25 years!!!
 
Powernoodle,

You do not have to join any of these organizations to make your voice heard. This is just another back door attempt to be used against our rights as Americans. This ruling, and many others like it, will come into play in the future as they will be cited as precedence to pass more restrictive laws. If we do not fight them now we probably will not be able to in the future. Being proactive is necessary and reasonable as there is plenty of evidence worldwide of what these rulings ultimately result in.
 
SOLEIL said:
"Sometimes it is hard to decide which side of the fence to be on. But to straddle it will just make your balls hurt".
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I like your Sig line, another (Texas) version of is:

"There's nothing in the middle of the road except a yellow line and squashed Armadillos."

:)
 
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