the lock fetish

Then you should have sent it back immediately.
Did you buy it online, or at a brick and mortar store?
-Bruce

online, there are no knife stores here. I rang the store earlier and explained my situation and he sounded suprised and assured me he will send it to the UK buck distributor for repiars/replacement. I'll be sending it off tomorrow and he also said it should be corrected within a week or so.

I did a bit of searching online about the blade play and read several different threads/forums that discussed the blade play on them and alot of people said it's 'normal' to have some to a fair bit. Some people said they ahd absolutely none and others said it's nothing to worry about. I convinced myself it wasn't an issue and I was just ebing picky about a relatively affordable knife. But like I said, it's gotten worse after each proper use, and I don't mean just slicing sticky tape or opening my lunch. But making fire, cutting bail cords, carving/whittling etc. I would take a picture of the gaps when the blade is push aside and of the back spring but it's boxed up and ready to be checked.

The force I used to tap it wouldn't be more than that used to stab and force open tough cordage on hay bails, obviously there is less acceloration but essentially it could cause the same failure and that for me just isn't acceptable. I bought a 'tough' knife to be used for 'tpugh' jobs at work and home, this particular knife, faulty or not certainly is not it.
 
If someone is concerned about a knife folding, then just stay away from a folding knife. But if all you want is a cutting tool for the pocket, and not a staying, prying, poking, zombie slaying wonder blade, then a slip joint pocket knife is fine. There must be a reason they have been popular for hundreds of years. But it's a free country, and we can make our own choices. But they have to be educated choices not driven by advertising from people who's sole interest is making money.

Carl.

I am in your camp Carl. I have a couple locking knives but all they ever get used for is skinning and processing my yearly deer or two. And even then I decided to migrate to a fixed Bark River for field work and the skinning. But I still think you have something when you speak of the right tool for the right job.

I admit that the whole survivalist thing has went right over my head. None of my knives are weapons. They are tools. Period. I will admit that as an avowed woodsman and outdoors enthusiast I can envision scenarios where I might be stuck with just one knife. But by and large I have my pocket knife for the normal stuff, my fixed blade and locking stuff for game processing (I use slipjoints here too), and then I have the axe and hatchet for heavy duty cutting chores. The one tool for everything scenario is something that is used to justify locking blades. I can see that. But my way works too. And it is the right choice for me.

Maybe I am just an 'old dude' waiting to happen. :)

Will
 
This is what I continue to not understand. Look at these two knives:

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Each has a pivoting blade that is designed to fold into a channel in the handle. You know, the handle that you have your hand wrapped around while you're using the knife. Each sports 3.5" of shaving sharp D-2 steel, waiting to show you how well it cuts flesh. Yet somehow, people see the one they think will stay open against an application of closing force (because it has a lock) is somehow safer than the one they know will close under that same application of force. As others have said, which are you more likely to do something stupid with, the one you think won't fold up and cut you, or the one you know will?

I have bad news. Seatbelts and airbags do not make your car safer. They may make accidents more survivable, but they do nothing to reduce the likelyhood of having an accident.
 
This is what I continue to not understand. Look at these two knives:
Jack, I just have to say that those two are GORGEOUS! :)
Now back on topic, which one do you tend to reach for more often when performing a normal cutting task? ;)
-Bruce
 
The force I used to tap it wouldn't be more than that used to stab and force open tough cordage on hay bails, obviously there is less acceloration but essentially it could cause the same failure and that for me just isn't acceptable. I bought a 'tough' knife to be used for 'tpugh' jobs at work and home, this particular knife, faulty or not certainly is not it.
Well, I wish you luck with the repairs, and I'm pretty sure they will try and make you happy. On the other hand I'm beginning to think maybe you should have picked a pocket knife similar to this one? ;)
-Bruce
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Well, I wish you luck with the repairs, and I'm pretty sure they will try and make you happy. On the other hand I'm beginning to think maybe you should have picked a pocket knife similar to this one? ;)
-Bruce
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looks tidy! kind of like the esee/rat knives..

The idea of buying a tough locker was due to our very stringent and unforgiving knife laws in Britain and me still needing a tough knife. I don't want to carry a fixed blade in public unless I'm camping as it's easily considered an 'offensive weapon', a locker is less 'offensive' over here so it was my first choice.

I will stick to my mora for the tough stuff for now, as I know it's tough. When I get my 110 back I'll inspect it for imperfections and give it a once over, I do hope it's more solid than my previous one.
 
Just another nudge here folks. Let's keep it traditional please. If you are uncertain then either ask Frank or me (via PM, Visitor Message or email), or don't post it here. The combination of man made handles, coated blades and Kydex sheaths, do not a traditional knife make.
 
Dang, y'all. Sometimes it's good to have a locking knife handy, but I don't think it's worth arguing over.
 
You know what I like to do, I like to open my Buck 110 until right before it locks, then use it that way. Otherwise, according to some of the folks on here, I might be seen as incompetent, or too irresponsible to use a slipjoint. Then, when I'm done, I like to smack the back of the blade on something hard so it slams shut.

Seriously guys, why is it most of you think that those of us that use locking knives automatically use them for things they aren't designed for? You're doing the same thing that non-knife people do to all of us. Just because you saw a few morons hurt themselves with a locking blade doesn't mean that everyone else that chooses to use them is too immature or scared to carry and use a slipjoint.
 
Hey Carl, no debate here. Just sharing different experiences and perspectives...

If the young idiot in question had not had a sturdy, invincible in his mind, Buck knife, would he have risked such behavior? No. If he had a slip joint pocket knife, he never would have been tempted to abuse it in that manor. Just before lunch, when he was seen doing this, he was told to knock it of. His answer was, "It's a Buck knife!" as if that excused everything. He didn't heed the warning and just after lunch he chopped off his index finger by being stupid. He went out on a limb because he had faith that his Buck knife would not fail him.

This is an excellent point that needs to be underscored. It sits at the very heart of the problem of "risk compensation". Paul Petzold started NOLS, the National Outdoor Leadership School. He was often quoted as saying that a mountaineering helmet increased risk instead of reducing it. With helmets, a climbing party is more likely to climb in the face of rock fall hazards. Without helmets, they are more likely to retreat and seek an alternate route. It's the same principle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_compensation

There are studies that show that skiers who wear ski helmets tend to ski faster than those without.

Just to emphasize that we're in agreement on this core problem.


If your cutting brush and you are worried about bumping a knife blade hard enough to close it, you're using the wrong tool. Again, if you are beyond the light everyday common tasks of a slip joint, then why not use a sheath knife? In the garden or any heavy duty use, I've become a huge fan of the mundane red handle Swedish mora number 1. The 10 dollar puuko design is about as fool proof as you can get, rugged construction, and a free swinging scandinavian style sheath that the knife just drops back into as easy as it pulls out. Can be pulled and used while wearing heavy work gloves, and no joints at all to fold or gather dirt and debris.

It is here that we have different experiences perhaps. I'm in total agreement in that I prefer fixed blade knives over locker. But, truth be told, I prefer fixed blade knives over any folding knife, locking or not, for any cutting situation. Heck, I just got back inside after cutting up some tinder for a back yard fire and used my Schrade H-15. Just a wonderful knife to use. But, I use locking folders more often for 3 reasons....

1) Convenience - I hate carrying stuff on my belt and it's just much easier to carry a locking folder than a sheath knife.
2) Social Acceptance - People around me hate me carrying a sheath knife (unless I'm at hunting camp). I can complain about it all day long and it's not going to change a dang thing. If I wore my H-15 on my belt to go to the store, they'd call the cops, whether it's my legal right or not. Just the way things are.
3) Safety - General hard use (within reason and not being stupid like your work mate) can cause a slip joint to slip but at the same time falls very, very short of stressing a well made lock back to the point of failure.

Risk compensation is a tendency, not an irresistible compulsion. If you're bright enough to treat a locking folder as a knife that might close if pressed hard (as in with any stabbing motion or any leverage on it), then I find them to be safer than a slip joint as they protect against bump closures and the like.

Just to reiterate, I think you're spot on with your basic point that lock invite problems as a general rule. Bicycle helmets have the same effect on the general population. Head injuries remain rather consistent even with helmet laws and studies show that drivers drive closer to cyclists who wear helmets. Better to learn to ride safely.
 
One hand opening locking folders are incredibly handy. They are much easier to bring into use than a slipjoint, they are easier to carry than a fixed blade (in public anyway). Well made liner locks are extremely durable and can be used when the situation calls for it, for things a slipjoint just cant do. The very nature of their construction means they can be opened with one hand, either with a thumb or flipping motion. Any problem I have seen with a liner lock, ball lock or slide lock type folder was because it a cheap foreign made junk. Well made liner locks, like Hinderer, or Strider are extremely strong. So to me, locking folder and traditional slipjoints are apples and oranges comparison. I like both. I like traditionals MUCH more but I have a couple dozen very well made locking folders that I carry in conjuntion with my traditionals when I camp or hike etc. I also have a number of fixed blades but they are more difficult to carry, its just a fact.

Yep, I agree.

Dang, y'all. Sometimes it's good to have a locking knife handy, but I don't think it's worth arguing over.

Yep, I agree.
 
Great point, Curmudgeon. I've always said, if you want to reduce traffic accidents, outlaw auto insurance. Just think how safely people would drive if they knew they had to completely pay for any damage, themselves.

We need a few more pics here, this thread is too sterile. Some of my traditional lockers.

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Great point, Curmudgeon. I've always said, if you want to reduce traffic accidents, outlaw auto insurance. Just think how safely people would drive if they knew they had to completely pay for any damage, themselves.

We need a few more pics here, this thread is too sterile. Some of my traditional lockers.

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Statistically 15% of people on the road have no insurance. And are the likely cause of the accident in the first place. Anyone who has ever had to deal with an adjuster wouldnt feel more reckless just because they have insurance. Im thinking you wer joking?

By State..some scary numbers! Average is 1 in 7

Mississippi 26% Oklahoma 15% Virginia 10%
Alabama 25 Rhode Island 14 West Virginia 10
California 25 Wisconsin 14 Pennsylvania 10
New Mexico 24 Arkansas 14 South Carolina 10
Arizona 22 Hawaii 13 Georgia 10
Tennessee 21 Kansas 13 New Jersey 9
Dist. of Col. 21 Montana 12 Utah 9
Florida 19 Iowa 12 Idaho 9
Washington 18 Oregon 12 South Dakota 9
Nevada 17 Missouri 12 New Hampshire 9
Michigan 17 Maryland 12 North Dakota 9
Texas 16 Connecticut 12 North Carolina 8
Illinois 16 Kentucky 12 Nebraska 8
Indiana 16 Delaware 12 New York 7
Ohio 15 Wyoming 11 Massachusetts 6
Alaska 15 Minnesota 10 Vermont 6
Colorado 15 Louisiana 10 Maine 4
 
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Never saw the point in drawing lines in the sand. Slipjoints, locking folder, or fixed blade -- I like and use all sorts as long as the quality is there. The way I see it, knife carriers are already a dying breed, there is no need to be divisive. I don't care if a person is carrying a Case peanut, a Strider SMF, or a Busse Battle Mistress, I am just glad to see another who recognizes the utility of man's oldest tool.

- Christian
 
Never saw the point in drawing lines in the sand. Slipjoints, locking folder, or fixed blade -- I like and use all sorts as long as the quality is there. The way I see it, knife carriers are already a dying breed, there is no need to be divisive. I don't care if a person is carrying a Case peanut, a Strider SMF, or a Busse Battle Mistress, I am just glad to see another who recognizes the utility of man's oldest tool.

- Christian

Best post in thread IMO :thumbup:
 
Never saw the point in drawing lines in the sand. Slipjoints, locking folder, or fixed blade -- I like and use all sorts as long as the quality is there. The way I see it, knife carriers are already a dying breed, there is no need to be divisive. I don't care if a person is carrying a Case peanut, a Strider SMF, or a Busse Battle Mistress, I am just glad to see another who recognizes the utility of man's oldest tool.

- Christian
Now here I was reading this thread getting used to being looked down upon and settling into my second-class citizen role for owning a couple of lockbacks and even worse, a linerlock. And then all of a sudden you come along all friendly and making me feel accepted again. Very confusing. I'm just going to go off now and accidentally behead myself with my Buck 110, due to my lack of a proper upbringing and natural tendency to act irresponsibly while under the mesmerizing power of the evil lock.
 
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