The Loveless Shop

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There has been much speculation about the Loveless shop the last couple of years, and especially now with Bob's passing.

I am posting this to hopefully set some of the record straight.

As many of you know, I have been close to the Loveless Shop for some time now. With this, I have been privy to many things Loveless. Some well known. Some not so much.

I will touch on a few of these here.

It has been much speculation as to whether the Loveless Shop will continue.
I am happy to say it will. In much the same way it has for decades.

Bob was without a doubt the finest Knife Designer the World has ever known. It would be a shame for them to stop coming out of the Loveless Shop. It was Bob's wish that they continue.

I was not going to post about all the years Jim Merritt has been at the Loveless Shop, but now that it has appeared in the Obit., it seems pointless to not mention it. 28 years at the job gives him a lot of credit!

Jim was a very skilled Knife Maker long before coming on board with Bob Loveless. Particularly in blade Grinding. This made for a ready fit into Bob's World of Knife Making. Jim easily adapted to Bob's designs, and as they say, the rest is History.

After years at the Loveless Shop, Bob made Jim a partner. As such he had a lot of input in day to day operations. As time went on, His presence became more and more important.

A few years ago, Bob became Ill, And it worried him. He decided to change the wording of the partnership. This gave Jim controlling interest in the Loveless Shop. As per Bob's wishes.

It was decided, for the good of the Loveless Shop, and for Bob's family, that the Loveless Shop, and Loveless Knives be passed on to Jim. All paper work, and documents were taken care of a few years back. Kinda hard to not say anything, especially with all the rumors that followed.

There has been so much speculation here as to who was to be the Heir Apparent to Bob Loveless, upon Bob's demise. Names have been passed around like water. A few times I got in on the discussion, and made the mistake of letting a few know my feelings on the subject. None of those mentioned were qualified. Sure they make some fine knives, but Bob was a "World Class Designer" first and for most. Simply doing a good job copying them doesn't a Bob Loveless make. (Being able to copy one or two models or even 5 or 6 sure as heck doesn't). I have well over 50 patters here, with more to come in the future I'm sure. They all have to be right. Not just an interpretation.

Bob knew a "LOT" of fine Knife Makers. Makers of different types of Knives. Folders, Tactical, Art Knives. All types of Makers. He said the two best makers he ever knew were Buster Warenski and Jim Merritt. Buster for his fine workmanship, and Jim for being able to make the same Knives day in, and day out, and keeping them the same. Knife to Knife.

In fact, I was getting a little burnt out a few years back with the Loveless Connection Knives. Bob gave me one of his many Fatherly talks. He said Mike, any one can make a one time piece that is outstanding. It brings out the passion. Makes the juices flow. On the other hand, a factory is set up to turn out the same thing over and over. However, for an individual to do it, one at a time, and still have them come out almost identical, That takes talent. And "Commitment". When some one calls and wants a Knife for their Son, just like the one they had, it has to be very close. If not, they are disappointed. I (bob Loveless), can do it. Jim (Merritt) can do it. And you Mike (Lovett), can do it. Very few can. Jim Merritt is the finest Knife Maker I ever Knew. Hell-He is better than I ever was! That from the mouth of the Master Himself!

Bob never claimed to be a super Knife Maker. He claimed to make a damed good Knife. And he did! He did claim to make changes to age old designs, and bring them into the Modern World. To make a better designed tool. A tool a man could be proud of. Could he could depend on.

Bob saw himself as a tool maker. Not an Artist. He never really understood why his work demanded so much money. (But He sure didn't mind!);)

Jim and I have been on going close contact about the situation. Bob of late, has been in bad shape. But it was decide to keep it quiet. For a number of reason. Bob was so weak. A very sad time.

Apparently for some reason, there were those that thought they were going to take over Loveless Knives. One even went so far as to post on Twitter or face book-I forget which-that the shop was going to be moving to their location in another State. This was blatantly false. But just one of the examples of why we decided to keep it quiet.

A few weeks ago, I received a e-mail inviting me to the Loveless Forum, being hosted by Jim Merritt. Huh??? I called Jim, and he had received the same e-mail. I received it from Jim's e-mail address, and Jim had gotten the same e-mail from my address, along with several others. All well known Loveless Collectors. It claimed to be from Jim Merritt, "Owner of-The Loveless Shop- They were all "FAKE"!!! It is our feeling that someone was trying to put a wedge between Bob and Jim. Bob was in terrible shape, but only a few people knew it.

I think they wanted Bob to hear that Jim was claiming to be the Owner of the Loveless Shop to get him out of the way for a hostile take-over.. How ironic. Jim DID own the Loveless Shop, but no one but Bob, I and some of the family knew it.

So why do I know any of this. Good question. I have had to bite my lip for years. I didn't even know the all of why.

As I said, a few years ago, Bob became ill. It worried him. On top of that, Jim became ill. It looked like Loveless Knives might be no more.

Bob and Jim decided to do something about it. A mutual friend, and Loveless collector told them about me. He showed them my work. It was "Very Loveless Like". When Bob was told that Lovett had never actually held a "Real Loveless", he was intrigued. The Friend arranged for me to meet them, and flew me out there.

Bob questioned me at length. He wanted to know why I make them the way I did. He wanted to know what each feature of the knife was for. Why I made them the way I did.

I answered all his questions from a stand point of how the knife was intended to be used, and the method of how I accomplished the features and Incorporated them into the finished Knife. Never did I say "Because it looks like a Loveless." (Which of course is exactly why so many people copy them. Either because they truly like the Look of a Loveless, or likely, the popularity, and marketability of the look.) Few actually understand them. The subtle nuances. Even the very Top Collectors for the most part have no Idea what they are for. Luckily, Form really does follow Function. This is what makes the Loveless look and feel so right.

What I did say is that they look right, They feel right, and they do a superior job in the field. With little effort. They are a natural to use. I told Bob that no matter how I tried to change them, they still came out looking Loveless like. When they felt right in the hand, they still ended up looking like a Loveless.

With that, Bob Looked at Jim and said,"Finally someone understands what we do and why we do it!"

He ask Jim to help me all he could. And he sure has. Between bob and Jim, I couldn't tell you how many hours we have spent going over design, and techniques. We even share techniques from time to time.


As it turned out, Bob got better, (then) and Jim got over his illness. (Thank God!) If not, I would have flown out to the Shop, and done all I could to help out. I guess I was kinda the back up plan. I absolutely had to know how to make the Loveless Knives. Period.

Should Jim need me, I will be there! No questions ask. That is the way it is.

Now you know the why of the Lovett-Loveless-Connection Knives. For years, I couldn't say why. (Yes it was hard at times). We kept it quiet. As it should have been.

So here you have it. Jim Merritt is the Heir Apparent. He inherited the Loveless Shop. Very fitting indeed. Some Collectors/Dealers won't like it. Bob didn't care. Jim doesn't care, I don't care. We make Knives. That is all we care about. The rest just isn't our problem. Politics and Greed have no place in Knife Making. Making a "Fine Tool" does.

Mike Lovett
Maker
The Loveless Connection Knives

On a side note, Where has Lovett been.

One and a half years in the Eminent Domain Move, (State), They screwed up everything. A terrible mess. Mostly contractor problems. I ended up getting injured during the move. Long recovery.Then a slight bout with a simple cancer. Finally back after all this time. Not going to post much. No time for it.

I have a lot of catch up to do. Customers to please! They have been great. Now it's time to get to work!
Mike
 
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VERY informative post Mike. Thanks for taking the time to do it.

I hope everything works out for the best for you, Lovett knives, and for Jim Merritt and Loveless knives.

Peter
 
What a story, Mike.
Great behind-the-scenes adventure in a world very very few
ever travelled... And it seems only like the top of the iceberg...

All the best,
David Darom (ddd)
 
In the Loveless Shop, having a good time! With Jim Merritt. This was a few years back.

Mike

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Loyalty is an uncommon and most admirable quality.
Mike, Yours seems just quite intact.
 
loyalty is one of the finest human qualities:thumbup:.
 
Very well said Mike

I'm glad your feeling well:thumbup:

Keep up the good work;)
 
Very enlightening post, thank you.

Well, after reading this thread again, I wish I wouldn't have clicked on it! :D
 
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Jim getting the shop is as it should be.

Now that being the case are the knives coming out of that shop still going to be marked Loveless or Merritt.

Or like Lile change the mark?
 
Jim getting the shop is as it should be.

Now that being the case are the knives coming out of that shop still going to be marked Loveless or Merritt.

Or like Lile change the mark?

I'd be interested to know the answer to that as well.

Roger
 
Bob knew a "LOT" of fine Knife Makers. Makers of different types of Knives. Folders, Tactical, Art Knives. All types of Makers. He said the two best makers he ever knew were Buster Warenski and Jim Merritt. Buster for his fine workmanship, and Jim for being able to make the same Knives day in, and day out, and keeping them the same. Knife to Knife.

Mike,

I have had the opportunity to examine 100's of Loveless Shop knives in that last 5 years, and they are NOT the same....they are close...this is a good thing, showing handwork in the making...for example two Dixon fighters I have owned in stag had a full 1 oz difference in weight, showing marked handling characteristic changes.

Bob never claimed to be a super Knife Maker. He claimed to make a damed good Knife. And he did! He did claim to make changes to age old designs, and bring them into the Modern World. To make a better designed tool. A tool a man could be proud of. Could he could depend on.

Very true, he told me that himself on 3 separate occasions.

Bob was in terrible shape, but only a few people knew it.

Lot more people than you think....when Jim told me my order was ready, I knew something was up, and called Phil Lobred to contact Jim before Phil left for London, as I wanted him to be able to say goodbye should it be required, Dave Ellis and Win Heger...also let Kevin Jones know....I'm one collector, and we aren't all stupid, regardless of how some makers would like to paint us.

Should Jim need me, I will be there! No questions ask. That is the way it is.

Pretty sure that Thad Buchanan would be there, need be as well, he makes as fine a Loveless style knife as anyone.

So here you have it. Jim Merritt is the Heir Apparent. He inherited the Loveless Shop. Very fitting indeed. Some Collectors/Dealers won't like it. Bob didn't care. Jim doesn't care, I don't care. We make Knives. That is all we care about. The rest just isn't our problem. Politics and Greed have no place in Knife Making. Making a "Fine Tool" does.

I'm totally glad Jim is going to keep going on. He told me that he would probably change the mark from "Maker" to "Design", and I hope he does....marking the "official" passing of the torch is both the honorable and right thing to do, showing the move from master to successor. What you "don't" care about, and what you "should" care about are obviously different....you might want to revisit that, amigo.....I'm being truly friendly here....I miss your participation in this community, as many of us do, but you have been MIA for a while, and this is a fluid environment.

Call me if you need to, you should have the number.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
And so the crap slinging from the self appointed experts starts.
I'm already sorry I came back!

I expected troble from Les.

But I expected more from you Stephen. I expected Better!
 
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But I expected more from you Stephen. I expected Better!

Mike,

There is no animosity here, but you are acting like The Voice of The Shop....there are just about 3 or more different perspectives to anything, and I am simply giving mine......there is NO question that I have remained steadfast in loyalty to what Bob has given us.....just search for the keywords Loveless Tour if you have any questions.

Do you think this is fun for me? This is not fun for me, and I have no agenda.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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I'm totally glad Jim is going to keep going on. He told me that he would probably change the mark from "Maker" to "Design", and I hope he does....marking the "official" passing of the torch is both the honorable and right thing to do, showing the move from master to successor.

This strikes me as a good idea. Having knives leave the shop from this point on that would be visually identical (in terms of logo and markings) to those made while Bob was still with us strikes me as a bad idea.

Roger
 
Hi MIke,

Feel free to crawl back in your hole.

I asked a simple question. The same question that was asked of Gary Randall when Bo passed. He chose not to change the logo for business reasons.

The Lile's did change the Logo.

I suspect there are Hundreds of orders in the shop.

Three questions:

1) Are people who waited years for Loveless knife going to want a Loveless Shop logo'd knife.

2) Are the Loveless Shop Logo knives going to sell for the same price?

3) Are people going to pay the same price for a knife now for sure we know is made by Jim. Or will they take their money and look for a Loveless marked knife in the aftermarket?

No crap slinging...just fair business questions.

Given that two Loveless knives sold for prices that didn't even come close to the low end of the projected range at the Chicago Show Auction. Is that an anomaly or a indication of the coming aftermarket?

Steve Johnson had 4 knives and according to Martin had only 4 names put into the drawing. Given the fact (as pointed out by Bobby Branton) that there were 30 dealers in the room...what does that say about what these dealers feel about Steve's aftermarket prices now?

I don't know so I am asking your "expert" opinion on these questions.
 
Mike,

There is no animosity here, but you are acting like The Voice of The Shop....there are just about 3 or more different perspectives to anything, and I am simply giving mine......there is NO question that I have remained steadfast in loyalty to what Bob has given us.....just search for the keywords Loveless Tour if you have any questions.

Do you think this is fun for me? This is not fun for me, and I have no agenda.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

Thats correct Stephen. I was ask to post this by Jim Merritt. So yes, I am acting as the voice of the Loveless Shop in this thread. Jim and I aren't really concerned whether you like it or not. It wasn't posted for your benefit. If you don't like it, fine.
I did not ask for opinions. It is for information only.
For once in your life, check your mouth and leave people alone!

What's sad, is that as usual, it has to turn into something ugly here on this forum.
Jim and I are hurting right now. Jim has been through a lot. So have I, but certainly not the extent Jim has. Your call to Jim was out of line and you should know better. Likewise--
Your post was both cruel and UN-appreciated.

We knew there would be three people that would attack. Two of the three have. Predictable as always. The perceived cleverness alludes you both. .

As far as who knew, they were supposed to keep it to themselves. Why they felt you of all people needed to know is puzzling. It was a private matter and certainly none of your business! They have lost any respect I had for them. Jim will feel no differently.

I have posted several compliments to you in just the last few days. Not one word from you. Not until this attack. You have insulted bob Loveless, Jim Merritt, and myself.

I am tired of your spoiled childish actions toward anyone whom you disagree.

I posted here out of Love and respect for Bob and Jim and their work.

I did not post here to start a crap slinging contest. Nor am I interested in one. I have not missed the soap opera here at all. Nor will I in the future!

Regards is a remark of respect, not animosity.

Mike Lovett
Maker
The Loveless Connection.

For those that care, the logo will be changed to have the work Maker changed to Knives. This is all I have to say on the subject.
 
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