The Official ZT0562 Thread!! (FIRST LOOK)

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The G10 overlapping the liner on the cutout opposite to the Lockbar is by design. It's the same on every XM-18 and meant to prevent unintentional disengagement of thel lock.
 
One thing I'd like to know is whether the detent on the 0562 can easily be overcome using inertia. Somebody do me a favor and try to open the knife by shaking it. It's easy to do that with an XM because the XM is designed to be opened that way. I don't imagine that's a feature ZT copied from the XM when they built the 0562, however. And it may be a contributing factor to the ease with which the 0562 flips open. A strong detent normally translates into a good flipping action.
 
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Considerably smaller than the 560, a little longer than the 551, thinner than either the 560 and 551, and a blade that works a little better on cutting apples - the 560/551 cleave the apple where the 562 slices through it much better.

That is about all the experience I have with it so far, but I do like it - it is smaller than I am used to with ZT Knives, a very nice addition to the line.

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mqqn
 
Trabireiter said:
The G10 overlapping the liner on the cutout opposite to the Lockbar is by design. It's the same on every XM-18 and meant to prevent unintentional disengagement of thel lock.
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This was the same on the 560s as well, so this is not a defect in any way ( as you are trying to indicate).

As to the person with the "defective" 562 that he feels forced to send back because of all the flaws.....

As to the machining lines in the lockbar cutout, that is also not a defect and certainly not something I would send a "$200" knife back for.

The centering picture is really a killer - have we not tried to adjust the pivot?

I absolutely can't stand an off-center knife, but I have always been able to get the ZT's and Kershaw knives centered up if they did not come that way out of the box, a rare occurance I might add.

I guess if I had no ability to adjust a pivot screw, or did not have the proper torx to properly adjust the knife, I would be forced to send one back for that very minor issue.

That would be like returning a new car because the radio was tuned to the wrong station, but I guess all people are different.

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mqqn
 
Can anyone measure the width of the edge shoulders?

I was hoping that ZT would use the 0562 as a platform for a real slicer, but the tang is 0.16 inches thick. Couple that thickness with a saber grind, and I don't see the slicing geometry. By comparison, my Military M4 has a tang 0.136 inches and a full flat grind. My Sebenza tang is 0.12 inches wide, with a hollow ground blade and edge shoulders just 0.017 inches wide. It's a true slicer. My pitifully poor slicing Microtech DOC has a tang 0.16 inches, and the nightmare grind makes it a nightmare slicer. Even my old Ruckus with what feels like a giant blade has a tang width of 0.15 inches.

I like the 0560, but it is a poor slicer. When I reprofiled the edge to 30 degrees inclusive, the shoulder width became 0.045 inches -- too wide for decent slicing. If the 0562 doesn't improve on that by a lot, with the same edge angle, then I'm going to lose interest. ZT certainly builds incredibly high-quality knives. And many of the designs are awesome. But the company doesn't seem to have much interest in high-performance geometry.
 
I'm going to guess that the blade geometry of the 0562 will closely match that of the XM-18 slicer. The tang of the XM-18 3.5" is 0.165" thick and the tang of the 0562 is 0.160". I doubt the difference of 0.005" will have any impact in their comparative slicing abilities. If the XM-18 is a good slicer, the 0562 will likely follow suit. If the XM-18 isn't a good slicer, then the 0562 probably won't be either.
 
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Twindog said:
Can anyone measure the width of the edge shoulders?

I was hoping that ZT would use the 0562 as a platform for a real slicer, but the tang is 0.16 inches thick. Couple that thickness with a saber grind, and I don't see the slicing geometry. By comparison, my Military M4 has a tang 0.136 inches and a full flat grind. My Sebenza tang is 0.12 inches wide, with a hollow ground blade and edge shoulders just 0.017 inches wide. It's a true slicer. My pitifully poor slicing Microtech DOC has a tang 0.16 inches, and the nightmare grind makes it a nightmare slicer. Even my old Ruckus with what feels like a giant blade has a tang width of 0.15 inches.

I like the 0560, but it is a poor slicer. When I reprofiled the edge to 30 degrees inclusive, the shoulder width became 0.045 inches -- too wide for decent slicing. If the 0562 doesn't improve on that by a lot, with the same edge angle, then I'm going to lose interest. ZT certainly builds incredibly high-quality knives. And many of the designs are awesome. But the company doesn't seem to have much interest in high-performance geometry.
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I must agree with you. I'm really hoping it's at least around 0.020-0.025" behind the edge, but that's probably asking a lot from ZT. I honestly wonder just how much edge strength is sacrificed with these high end powder metallurgy steels when you grind them thinly. Something makes me think the edge stability would be just fine if ZT made their knives a bit more reasonable behind the edge.

I only like to carry knives that I feel comfortable using, and that are effective users. My 0600 sees no carry for that reason, by my 801 has reasonable enough edge geometry that I carry it often.
 
Twindog said:
Can anyone measure the width of the edge shoulders?

I was hoping that ZT would use the 0562 as a platform for a real slicer, but the tang is 0.16 inches thick. Couple that thickness with a saber grind, and I don't see the slicing geometry. By comparison, my Military M4 has a tang 0.136 inches and a full flat grind. My Sebenza tang is 0.12 inches wide, with a hollow ground blade and edge shoulders just 0.017 inches wide. It's a true slicer. My pitifully poor slicing Microtech DOC has a tang 0.16 inches, and the nightmare grind makes it a nightmare slicer. Even my old Ruckus with what feels like a giant blade has a tang width of 0.15 inches.

I like the 0560, but it is a poor slicer. When I reprofiled the edge to 30 degrees inclusive, the shoulder width became 0.045 inches -- too wide for decent slicing. If the 0562 doesn't improve on that by a lot, with the same edge angle, then I'm going to lose interest. ZT certainly builds incredibly high-quality knives. And many of the designs are awesome. But the company doesn't seem to have much interest in high-performance geometry.
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I don't think the Hinderer design strategy is aimed at slicing tomatoes thin, which my M4 Military does well with it's thinner blade and delicate tip.

I think the Hinderer design concept is more rugged for use in stabbing and light prying situations where a first responder might find themselves.

It is the concept of the piece.

You would not buy a pickup truck and then complain that, while it is a very high quality truck, it does not hold the road in high speed slaloms and has a poor performance in tight cornering.

By the same token, you would not buy a two-seater sports car and then complain that it performs poorly when you try to haul plywood sheets.

The 562 is a little better at cutting apples than the 560 and 551 - neither of the latter would cut an appple clean, it would cut so far and then the width, as you have found, cleaves the crisp fruit open.

The 562 is better - it would cut all the way through a red delicious apple.

The 562 is not going to compete with the Military, and was never intended to do so with the designers philosophy.

Your interests are in knives that are better for slicing - which is more oriented toward kitchen and food prep - perhaps you should look to the Shun line of knives, they make some great slicers!

I am being a little bit sarcastic there (but Shun are great knives) - there are much better choices if you are looking for slicers, even though Rick calls the grind on the 562 a "slicer" grind.

You are 100% correct in your observations, I think you just have expectations that the knife will be something it was not intended to be in the first place.

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mqqn
 
bld522 said:
One thing I'd like to know is whether the detent on the 0562 can easily be overcome using inertia. Somebody do me a favor and try to open the knife by shaking it. It's easy to do that with an XM because the XM is designed to be opened that way. I don't imagine that's a feature ZT copied from the XM when they built the 0562, however. And it may be a contributing factor to the ease with which the 0562 flips open. A strong detent normally translates into a good flipping action.
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Shake shake shake, shake shake shake
Shake your ZT, shake your ZT
Oh, shake shake shake, shake shake shake
Shake your ZT, shake your ZT.

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Morrow said:
Shake shake shake, shake shake shake
Shake your ZT, shake your ZT
Oh, shake shake shake, shake shake shake
Shake your ZT, shake your ZT.

:D
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Yea - my copy is not going to shake open - I could not do it at all.

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mqqn
 
I've never used KC and the Sunshine Band lyrics (slightly modified) before. It felt strangely comfortable.

mqqn said:
Yea - my copy is not going to shake open - I could not do it at all.

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mqqn
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The real test would be to strap one of these to Shakira's or Beyonce's hips and see if it opens ;)
 
bld522 said:
One thing I'd like to know is whether the detent on the 0562 can easily be overcome using inertia. Somebody do me a favor and try to open the knife by shaking it. It's easy to do that with an XM because the XM is designed to be opened that way. I don't imagine that's a feature ZT copied from the XM when they built the 0562, however. And it may be a contributing factor to the ease with which the 0562 flips open. A strong detent normally translates into a good flipping action.
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I tried real hard, couldnt get it to come out
 
If I hold mine upside down and give it a REALLY hard snap of the wist I can get it to open. But you'd really have to be trying to have it happen. That said after using it for a day I still prefer my 0801 to it. The 0801 is just more robust. I could and have used my 0801 as a hammer with no ill effect at all. I'd be afraid to try that with the 562. Nothing against the 0562 at all. It's an amazing knife. The 0801 just feels tuffer to me. I just wish the 0801 had the blade jimping of the 0562.

Both are fantastic knifes. But if I could only keep one for my do it all knife I'd give the nod to the 801. But luckily for me I don't have to choose!
 
Just got mine off the edge pro. I have no proof but I swear the elmax on this is run at a higher rc. This knife was way harder to get sharp than my 0801 or 0770. But it was worth the work cause it took a really nice edge!

 
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