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One more for ya. I think I'm gonna take a break :)

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Braja69 said:
One more for ya. I think I'm gonna take a break :)
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During that break, pick up a real knife and use it. While these are pretty pictures (and who cares what program they were created in), they are not pictures of functional knives.

It's like doing Photoshop to render a sculpture or a wedding cake. That doesn't mean what you have rendered can even exist.
 
Braja69 said:
No it's not double edged by my design. It of course could be though :)
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This statement is another example of why I told you that you need to learn about knives. If you made it double edged how would it work as a folder??????

I am not trying to be hard on you, but your designs are (to a large degree) unbuildable. If you knew more ( or anything) about knives, you would understand much more about why.


Many years ago I had an art student bring in a drawing of a ring he designed for his future fiancée. The first problem was that the drawing was about 5" across. It had little engraved features and two-tone gold inlays in the platinum. Many things don't scale down 5-6 times very well. Second problem was that the stone seemed to be sitting in a circle of gold, with nothing touching it. I asked about prongs or a bezel, and he said he wanted nothing touching the stone. I tried to explain that physics wouldn't allow that, but he didn't care - he wanted her ring built exactly as designed. I suggested a bezel with two bars connecting the inner circle of stone to the outer circle of gold. He said that was not what he had designed. I tried to make him understand that a 2 dimensional drawing done in color pencils isn't always transferable to 3-D and metal/stone without some changes. He said if I couldn't build it he would go and find someone else to do it. I politely let him go and find out for himself. Many artistic types don't understand fabrication, only concept.
 
I didn't know that it was a computer rendering. I honestly thought it was a real knife. Technology these days.
 
Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith said:
I am not trying to be hard on you, but your designs are (to a large degree) unbuildable. If you knew more ( or anything) about knives, you would understand much more about why.
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Nicely put.

Braja, I think you have also fallen into the trap of "Knife design...anybody can do it." Much like thinking "Look at that Picasso...I coulda painted that." (Or that Kitchen Nightmares show...where people who eat in a restaurants think that they can run a restaurant....)

No doubt Picasso spent years drawing circles, bowls of fruit, peoples faces etc in all media before creating the style that made him famous. Exactly what you haven't done with knives.

I know you are now claiming these are not "really" knives, and they are just drawings of things that kinda look like knives. I suppose you have taken fantasy knives to a whole new level...not only are these "out there" designs, but several wouldn't work in the real world at all.

Is like seeing a drawing of a bicycle...and you look at it for a minute and you realize that the frame of a real bicycle is not constructed that way at all.

You really, really need to pick up a folding knife and look at it carefully. Then use it. It will bring your renderings and creativity into the realm of the real, physical world governed by things like geometry and physics. Then I do believe you might very well come up with something that a Knife Maker or BladeSmith might be able to actually make. :thumbup: And I believe that is what this particular subforum discusses.
 
Personally I would take the Picasso, move the thumb stud to the bottom, sharpen the straight edge on top instead and have a sweet swayback wharncliffe. I've kind of been on a swayback kick recently though..
 
Phorizt I think that is a great idea. The whole swayback thing never even occured to me while coming up with this design. I like it though :)
 
I agree that you need to get some knives in your hand to look at. Go to a sporting good store and take a look.

It is kinda funny how buttered some get when you draw a picture and show it. Sure you need some experience in design but they obviously need some help as well on other issues

Keep it up. What you can do with photoshop is really impressive
 
Even if you aren't partnering up to do knife design work at this point you could probably use your graphic design skills to work with knife makers for stuff like logo design, marketing materials design etc. while building up good relationships with knife makers and making a little money. Seems like you're pretty talented in doing the graphics stuff. Just a thought. Who knows those relationships might lead to knife collaboration projects in the future too. Put some crazy knife designs on a tshirt and I'm sure people would buy them. I just googled it and there's actually a "knife shirt club" website that sells only knife shirts haha.
 
Yeah you know I would be happy to get any job in design really, (as any designer would) so I'm not against the logo or t-shirts things at all. Any kind of design job that lets you be creative is desirable. It's the ones that fit you into a box doing the same thing the same way or just a little different that would be horrible.

Also thanks for saying I'm good with photoshop. The pics are great in the way that they are always going to be there, the same way, no matter what is said. And I stick by them. It's not a problem of ignorance on my end. These are by definition, knives. I could hold and look at a billion more knives than I already have and I would still like these designs cause I made them.

I don't know, there is an assumption system in place with some people. Where if they don't like it, then they just assume you don't know about that particular subject. I could know more about knives than any of you people but I never assume I do, because I don't know you people. It's a natural human thing though to assume.

My posts here are solely to be viewed and critiqued, what you like or don't like about it. They are not here so people can be harsh and critical of me as a person. I would just hope that people use better judgement about personal comments. It's been weird for me here because of that. If I wanted people who don't know me to post comments about me, well that would be insane now wouldn't it :) Just stick to the images themselves.

I don't mean to offend anyone either. I went through all of my posts comments and found that the majority of comments are positive or actual real constructive criticism aimed at the design itself. Only two people here have done otherwise and been offensive towards me on purpose. So I just clicked ignore on their profiles and the site's a lot better now :) I just felt like getting that stuff off mah chest since I don't have to see their replies now.

I do want to thank the people who aren't trolls though, and of course you know who you are, for all the feedback.
 
I didn't read anything personal about anybody until "...they obviously need some help as well with other issues."

Up to that point only designs were being critiqued, not peoples' character.
 
Have you considered applying to work with the video game designers ?

You can draw up all sorts of stuff, the wackier the better and it's doesn't have to ever work at all.




Or draw up some t shirt designs with skulls and zombies and such, should sell a million of them.
 
Here's about the extent of my software drawing skills:

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I think you have some great design talent. If you hang out here in Shoptalk you might learn a few things about knives as well and you could improve your designs.

Some people here could stand to be more personable towards you.
 
Just visited your site S.Alexander. Very nice knives :) Really very well done. Love the picture too. And don't be too hard on yourself there's people who can't do that much with ms paint ;)
 
"The Spartan"

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Closed

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This is a flipper inspired by a short sword, hence the hilt that flips out along with the blade.
 
Braja69 said:
Also thanks for saying I'm good with photoshop. The pics are great in the way that they are always going to be there, the same way, no matter what is said. And I stick by them. It's not a problem of ignorance on my end. These are by definition, knives. I could hold and look at a billion more knives than I already have and I would still like these designs cause I made them.
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No you wouldn't. I was like this too. I figured I made it, it will be beautiful. I still have the first knife I ever made, and even after another hundred, while I have made great improvments what I once thought was an amazing work of art makes we want to improve more and more, because the more I know the more I realized I had no idea what I was doing.

Again, while some of them may be attractive, no REAL knife making group is going to take them to seriously. You have an eye for design, but as Stacy pointed out, its clear you have not done much work in metal nor have you handled many knives.

Just a point, the spartan would not only catch on the pocket all the time, but how would you open it? the blade is double sided, putting your finger on the guard to pull it out would leave you with a big gash down your thumb. It also would not be a very sturdy or sleek knife. The body would have to be thick enough to accommodate those guards, as well as because the guard has to pivot all the way around the axis, there is nothing but a single pin there for support, so there would be a ton of blade play and a high risk of snapping the pivot.

You have said you dont REALLY plan on getting these knives made, but you have a decent eye for design. If you knew WHAT you were designing and how it should function you would be so much better served. No reputable company like a Boker, benchmade or spyderco would consider these designs because anyone who has handled many knives could see the impossibility of making them and the massive safety and usability issues presented. If you want use knives at least look at them. Notice the common features and integrate them. I get that you want the blades to be unique, but functional is functional.
 
It's a flipper so you just press on the hilt arm sticking out when it's closed, and it flips out. It's not dangerous. It seems obvious to me but maybe that's cause I made it. And yes it could be used as a pocket catcher for quick opening when pulled out of the pocket like the wave but it's not a hook. As for stability, it's made just like any other flipper so... Also, Benchmade doesn't accept outside submissions of knife designs from the public.
 
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