The real reason for the 2nd Amendment

Thomas Linton said:
Thrace furnished many warriors for the Empire, and a good many soldiers as well.

Ever wonder what would have happened if that volcano hadn't exploded in what is now Indonesia? He might have pulled it off and short-circuited the "Dark Ages," assuming the Emperor's paranoia didn't get in the way too often.
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see

the Belisarius series: at Baen Books free library
 
Esav Benyamin said:
sometimes i feel i am a roman centurion shouting in the wilderness and trying to close the gates of the city before the barbarians get in. sometimes i feel they are already here.

 The Cuirassiers of the Frontier

Goths, Vandals, Huns, Isaurian mountaineers,
Made Roman by our Roman sacrament,
We can know little (as we care little)
Of the Metropolis: her candled churches,
Her white-gowned pederastic senators,
The cut-throat factions of her Hippodrome,
The eunuchs of her draped saloons.

Here is the frontier, here our camp and place --
Beans for the pot, fodder for the horses,
And Roman arms. Enough. Who among us
At full gallop, the bowstring to his ear,
Lets drive his heavy arrows, to sink
Stinging through Persian corslets damascened,
Then follows with the lance -- he has our love.

The Christ bade Holy Peter sheathe his sword,
Being outnumbered by the Temple guard,
And this was prudence, the cause not yet lost
While Peter might persuade the crowd to rescue.
Peter reneged, breaking his sacrament.
With us the penalty is death by stoning,
Not to be made a bishop.

In Peter's Church there is no faith noor truth,
Nor justice anywhere in palace or court.
That we continue watchful on the rampart
Concerns no priest. A gaping silken dragon,
Puffed by the wind, suffices us for God.
We, not the City, are the Empire's soul:
A rotten tree lives only in its rind.

-- Robert Graves
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That is a good one, and one that I have never read before...
Here is one of my favorites


Sonnet #94
by William Shakespeare

They that have power to hurt, and will do none,
That do not do the thing, they most do show,
Who moving others, are themselves as stone,
Unmoved, cold, and to temptation slow:
They rightly do inherit heaven's graces,
And husband nature's riches from expense,
Tibey are the lords and owners of their faces,
Others, but stewards of their excellence:

The summer's flower is to the summer sweet,
Though to it self, it only live and die,
But if that flower with base infection meet,
The basest weed outbraves his dignity:
For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds,
Lilies that fester, smell far worse than weeds.

That last line always gets to me...
It is something that all those with power should take note of...


OK, I have been trying to post this for over an hour and it locks up every time I hit submit!
I am now trying this using Firefox...
 
OK, I have been trying to post this for over an hour and it locks up every time I hit submit!

Since the last forum upgrade, a lot of us have been having trouble posting anything with a quote in it. That's why I've been using italics to mark quotes lately.

I found I could open a separate window for posting quotes and eventually it would actually work, but it takes too long to be worth it.

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Robert Graves and Rudyard Kipling are two of my favorite poets, not least because of the classical themes they use. Shakespeare, of course, is his own kind of classic. :)
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I found I could open a separate window for posting quotes and eventually it would actually work, but it takes too long to be worth it.
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Yea and it seems the busier BFC is and the longer the quote the longer it takes to post.:grumpy:
 
Esav Benyamin said:
OK, I have been trying to post this for over an hour and it locks up every time I hit submit!

Since the last forum upgrade, a lot of us have been having trouble posting anything with a quote in it. That's why I've been using italics to mark quotes lately.

I found I could open a separate window for posting quotes and eventually it would actually work, but it takes too long to be worth it.

- ------ ---- ------ -

Robert Graves and Rudyard Kipling are two of my favorite poets, not least because of the classical themes they use. Shakespeare, of course, is his own kind of classic. :)
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Works instantaly in Firefox...
 
Great. Last time I tried Firefox, I had a lot of other problems. I'll stick with the problems I'm familiar with. :D
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Great. Last time I tried Firefox, I had a lot of other problems. I'll stick with the problems I'm familiar with. :D
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Same with me and I agree, besides I just plain didn't like the format of Firefox.:grumpy:
 
Under John Bad Elk v. United States, one is priveleged to use deadly force to resist unlawful arrest if deadly force is being used to effectuate the arrest. It has been argued, but never decided, that John Bad Elk also applies to an unlawful order to disburse. Personnaly, I think is a bum move to decide such issues at gunpoint.

Talk of rape and pillage and images of waves of urbanites sweeping over the countryside is great stuff. Totally irrlevant on the facts presented, but a nice "red herring." - Thomas Linton
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Excellent post with very astute points of merit.

iBear
 
Yvsa said:
Same with me and I agree, besides I just plain didn't like the format of Firefox.:grumpy:
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Firefox is hard to get used to, I think. I do not care much for it either.

Thanks,

iBear
 
Yvsa said:
Yea and it seems the busier BFC is and the longer the quote the longer it takes to post.:grumpy:
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Sometimes mine jams and never does post. In those cases I have to do it over.

Sometimes it is a great inconvenience.... expecially when I am busy.

Thanks,

iBear
 
2nd Amendment: primarily so a population could rise up and overthrow tyranny, and also to defend against mob rule, and to truly make men equal - mtngunr
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True! I always have liked the equality aspect.

It is the "RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS " that allows me to exercise my Rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. It is my right of self defense that allows me to protect these Civil Rights right’s when infringed. No one else, but myself, is legally obligated to protect myself or my Civil Rights. Without a gun as an equalizer, I effectively have NO Civil Rights. That has long been the law of our land.

"Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms.... The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible." - Hubert H. Humphrey, Vice President

iBear
 
munk said:
mtngunr;

When the Storm hit land it rapidly lost power, and was soon down to a category 2, then 1, I think the image of driving a day without an escape is overdone. No one here is claiming to 'know' what the victims went through, or the helpers, or the agenices, et al. We are simply trying to understand, mtngunr, and that's a good thing. Keep up the good work.


munk
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Understanding.... definitely a good thing.

Smile,

iBear
 
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