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I think the countries of the free world need to offer to arm, train & supply the refugees to fight to take back their countries from ISIS. Plus the countries of the free world need to form a real coalition of their own army forces to kill off ISIS before it conquers the free world. Turn countries that live in the 20 century, back to stone ago relics of what they once were.
 
I like what You say, It makes sense. I do not want other people coming to America, And trying to change the way I live.
 
I agree wholeheartedly with your views and share the same views. If you are fleeing as a refugee or persecuted you most likely do not like what you left then why would you still practice it and not assimilate to the new, free world. This statement you made just makes me that much prouder to own your knives
 
Ernie nailed the X ring.

Immigrants that seek to assimilate to our tenets and support our country's way of doing things have been historically welcomed - many of our own ancestors are within this category.

Our blessed country is a melting pot - diverse yet united; that would appear not good enough for some and those we could do without.
 
The old school refugees, or immigrants where of a different mindset then the new way of people coming to America. In GOD as I call it (good old days) people came for opportunity, to become Americans, and live the American dream. That being opportunity for the head of house holds, and their children that many places in the world do & did not offer.

My grand parents came to the USA from Czechoslovakia, and Puerto Rico. One grandfather learn the trade of an electrician, and becmae an electrical contractor in Queens NY. The other grandfather joind the Coast Guard, move over to the Navy and servied his country over 36 years in uniform. That grandfather wife was a mamber of the ILGWU (international ladies garment workers union) over 35 years, sewing men shirt in a factor in NYC.

In both my grandparents home their native launguage was spoke amount the older generation, but everyone also spoke, read, and wrote english. Yes some of the thing they brought with them from were thay came like food, drink, and some customs stuck. But all became American Citizens, except those born in Puerto Rico who already were citizens.

Many of the new wave of immigrants & refugee only come to America to take from our system. As soon as they arrive their first stop is the public assistance office, they get on AFDC, SSI, GA, Food Stamps, Medicade. Many of these people do not want to assimalite into our system, they want to change America to a satalite state of where they came from.

Honestly these people & their families contribute zero to our economy, they are just a drain on the sytem that is already over burned.

My suggestion to you liberals who feel sorry for refugees want to come to America. Open up you home to these refugees, support them, and put your money where you mouth is. Then we will see how strony your personal conviction are, or weather you are just trying to create an additional burden for the tax payer, who will be footing another bill create by people gerneious with other people money.
 
The old school refugees, or immigrants where of a different mindset then the new way of people coming to America. In GOD as I call it (good old days) people came for opportunity, to become Americans, and live the American dream. That being opportunity for the head of house holds, and their children that many places in the world do & did not offer.

My grand parents came to the USA from Czechoslovakia, and Puerto Rico. One grandfather learn the trade of an electrician, and becmae an electrical contractor in Queens NY. The other grandfather joind the Coast Guard, move over to the Navy and servied his country over 36 years in uniform. That grandfather wife was a mamber of the ILGWU (international ladies garment workers union) over 35 years, sewing men shirt in a factor in NYC.

In both my grandparents home their native launguage was spoke amount the older generation, but everyone also spoke, read, and wrote english. Yes some of the thing they brought with them from were thay came like food, drink, and some customs stuck. But all became American Citizens, except those born in Puerto Rico who already were citizens.

Many of the new wave of immigrants & refugee only come to America to take from our system. As soon as they arrive their first stop is the public assistance office, they get on AFDC, SSI, GA, Food Stamps, Medicade. Many of these people do not want to assimalite into our system, they want to change America to a satalite state of where they came from.

Honestly these people & their families contribute zero to our economy, they are just a drain on the sytem that is already over burned.

My suggestion to you liberals who feel sorry for refugees want to come to America. Open up you home to these refugees, support them, and put your money where you mouth is. Then we will see how strony your personal conviction are, or weather you are just trying to create an additional burden for the tax payer, who will be footing another bill create by people gerneious with other people money.

Man, your English is terrible. I hope your knowledge of history is greater than your ["GOD"] use of the English language. EVERY wave of immigrants throughout American history has been treated poorly in the media by doomsday prophets, preying on weak, fearful minds. But maybe you know that.

AKA, apart from your claimed personal history, your entire post is speculation. Your argument is based on stuff that you make up and assume. Racists have always behaved thusly and always will. They always look like jackasses in history, too.

Let me show you how easy it is to make up wild speculations and then draw popular conclusions:
Everybody who is anti-immigrant is an inbred, an anti-immigrant inbred (AII). This is known. The problem with AIIs is that they are penny-pinching woman beaters, petty thieves, have low IQs, piss their pants on public transportation, and chew with their mouths open.

This country does not need more AIIs. The cost of caring for their abused spouses is a burden on the taxpayer. We do not want to witness their disgusting eating habits. It is gross and noisy and makes everybody vomit their lunch, thus necessitating the purchase of a second lunch. That means the cost of eating a single meal costs double. And who wants to ride a pissy smelling train? Nobody. It costs money to clean the piss and that raises the cost of train tickets to everybody. And these pickpocket dummies stealing lunch money from everybody all the time is un-American. We need that money to pay for our second lunch.

Who can disagree with that?
 
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Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for the quotation:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
 
The old school refugees, or immigrants where of a different mindset then the new way of people coming to America. In GOD as I call it (good old days) people came for opportunity, to become Americans, and live the American dream. That being opportunity for the head of house holds, and their children that many places in the world do & did not offer.

My grand parents came to the USA from Czechoslovakia, and Puerto Rico. One grandfather learn the trade of an electrician, and becmae an electrical contractor in Queens NY. The other grandfather joind the Coast Guard, move over to the Navy and servied his country over 36 years in uniform. That grandfather wife was a mamber of the ILGWU (international ladies garment workers union) over 35 years, sewing men shirt in a factor in NYC.

In both my grandparents home their native launguage was spoke amount the older generation, but everyone also spoke, read, and wrote english. Yes some of the thing they brought with them from were thay came like food, drink, and some customs stuck. But all became American Citizens, except those born in Puerto Rico who already were citizens.

Many of the new wave of immigrants & refugee only come to America to take from our system. As soon as they arrive their first stop is the public assistance office, they get on AFDC, SSI, GA, Food Stamps, Medicade. Many of these people do not want to assimalite into our system, they want to change America to a satalite state of where they came from.

I don't see how fleeing a war to a safer place and immigrating to america on peaceful terms is really all that different. The end goal is to have a better life. My parents and grandparents came over in the 70's fleeing from Pol Pot. They came over and did what work they could find and eventually established a life here.

No unions, no real idea of how the US system works, only a dream to keep their family safe and sound. AFDC SSI GA Food Stamps Medicade?? They had no inkling what what those were.
They did what they knew, work for pay, support your family. Now all those that came over have their papers and we have 3 generations born in the US.

I don't see how you can assume these people are any different.

(if that was a bit confusing or out of context sorry, I just read through the posts again and you know what? My family could easily have been one of those you are now refusing.
14 people, if my 14 family members had been refused, this country would have 70 less US born citizens. Working, contributing citizens, optometrists, pediatricians, IT managers, Restaraunt owners, mechanics, teachers, engineers, architects... I myself am applying for US foreign embassy services. 1 family people. :mad:)
 
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Like I said in the good old days things were different. The USA is deeper in the red than ever before. We have more Americans unemployed, and under employeed by percentage than since the depression. We have more people on food stamps, AFDC, general assistance, Medicade, and other entitlement programs. This all happen the last 7 years under this current president who also pushed threw AHC Act, aka Obamacare that is a fliping nightmear for those who have to deal with it.

So what is the USA to gain by bring refugees into the USA that can only add an additional burden & drain on tax paying people living in the USA. From my seat zero.

Why have not of the countries like UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Dubei, or the other countries in that party of the world rolled out their welcome matts to those refugees.

America was a sucessful target on 9/11/2001 of the Teleban & Al Queida, and is still a target of these radical groups from the part of the world many of these refugees would be coming from. How are we going to be 110% sure we would not be allowing Teleban & Al Queida member into the USA disguised as refugees?

Maybe I take too serious what I have read in first hand written accounts, and first hand share accounts by member of our armed forces who have had personal expierence trying to eliminate the Teleban & Al Queida before they show up in the USA in great number, and start taking inocent American lives. Like the radical husband & wife did just a few weeks ago in San Bernardino, CA.

Maybe I a better idea of what was really happening to American service personal in Iraq & Afghanistan. What were their real experences, impressions, the good the bad & ugly. As I have gone out of my way to talk to many of these returning Veterians who are no longer on active duty, and can talk openly & honestly about their person time in Afganistan & Iraq. When you keep hearing the same storyies over & over again from different people on different day. That give the stories credability. This is not the sanitized version of some press release cleared by military censors. My source of Veterians to talk with is every time I am at the VA Hospital I use. Many of these returning Veterians are amputees who made a big sacrafic in the service to their country.

Maybe the question to accept or not accept refugees should be asked to people who's famalies have been impacted by loosing a family member or members to the Teleban & Al Qieida in, or out of the USA since September 11, 2001. Those people have more skin in the game than many of our leaders in Washington, D.C..
 
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Like I said in the good old days things were different. The USA is deeper in the red than ever before. We have more Americans unemployed, and under employeed by percentage than since the depression. We have more people on food stamps, AFDC, general assistance, Medicade, and other entitlement programs. This all happen the last 7 years under this current president who also pushed threw AHC Act, aka Obamacare that is a fliping nightmear for those who have to deal with it.

So what is the USA to gain by bring refugees into the USA that can only add an additional burden & drain on tax paying people living in the USA. From my seat zero.

Why have not of the countries like UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Dubei, or the other countries in that party of the world rolled out their welcome matts to those refugees.

Citations, please? That's a lot of claims to make without providing supporting evidence.
 
I wonder how many Americans type anti-refugee posts using their Apple devices designed by Steve Jobs, the son of a Syrian refugee? :rolleyes:
 
All I can say is that large swathes of european cities have become muslim ghettos. Integration has failed miserably even when migrants shared the language of the host country and came in much smaller numbers. Reference immigration from the french and belgian colonies.

One problem is that religious leaders have hijacked the muslim agenda by manuvering themselves into positions as unelected spokesmen of the migrants. The communities are organized around religion for their governance. Another is extremist elements. Salafists are using public money and money from foreign regimes to fund extremist agendas under the umbrella of anti-discriminatory laws. There are mosques that openly preach fundamentalist bile that goes against the core values of the host countries.

Violence, especially sexual violence is a problem. Muslims are behind the vast majority and in some countries the entirety of rapes. There have been cases of organised grooming of underaged girls for sex rings and this current crop of refugees has brought with it a sharp spike in rape rates and a pattern of rapes of underage girls as young as 13 or 14. This is the cultural enrichment the third world has to offer.

These issues get very little air time. Less is done about it. Special interests in government are making a handsome profit on the refugee trade (housing, feeding and clothing them at tax payers expense; then telling them which way to vote).

They also brought some very nasty diseases that had been wiped out in Europe. Well you can't hold being sick against someone but drug resistant TB isn't something you want to import if you can avoid it.

Moving on.

Islamic teachings seek to dominate. The word islam itself translates to submission. Other people translate it as peace. The koran lays out very clearly the two states of the world the realms of dar al-islam and dar al-jihad. The realms of peace (or translated the other way the realm of the submission) and the realm of war i.e. the places not yet pacified. These are the the only two options. Mass migration is laid out as a form of jihad.

Muhammed was a warlord with imperialistic ambitions. Within the tenets of the faith they laid the groundwork for future expansion. They started 600 years after christianity so they had to be more assertive in their doctrine. In writing the koran they borrowed heavily from earlier religions. All religions do this. It helps to get the locals on board if you hijack their traditions and make them your own. It also helps if the stories are similar, it makes them easier to relate too. The romans stole from the greeks, the jews and the christians stole from the hindus and the muslim stole from the christians. It all overlaps.

Praying 5 times a day serves to indoctrinate through routine. Many cults have used this technique to great success. Having the followers police each other and calling anyone who leaves the religion an apostate is brilliant too. Unbelievers get to live their lives unmolested while they are the majority so they are not bothered about policing the rights of people wanting to leave islam. As the extremists increase violence opinions harden and the muslim population turns inward for protection. The end result is that few people leave.

As the muslim population grows so too subversive activity gradually ramps up. Under traditional islamic teaching once they reach a significant minority you, the host, are facing a low level escalating insurgency and usurping of the political process. First it is halal meat requirements to drum up business for muslim butchers and counsil seats for religious leaders, then it is community tribunals according to shariah law in muslim neighborhoods etc etc. A muslim man may marry a non muslim woman but a muslim woman may not marry a non muslim man. Once they receive a majority you see just how tolerant the religion of peace can be. First they tax you. Then they kill you.

In fairness, old testament christians were a bunch of dicks too.

No doubt about it though the muslim world has some growing up to do. Europe had its dark ages and enlightenment. I don't think with the level of armament available today we can afford that kind of adjustment period. Islam will have less time to put in place the necessary reforms to live harmoniously with the rest of the world. This is in fact happening at this time. That is what sufism is about. The vast majority of those killed by muslim extremists are muslims. There has been an outcry from moderate muslim leaders to stop the senseless killing. There are more muslims fighting the good fight than there are extremists.

The best thing the west can do is to support the muslim world in their reforms as best they can. Part of that is to stop destabilizing muslim countries with airstrikes and weapons shipments.

All that said I don't think it is a good idea to import civil wars so they can be fought in your back yard. Especially when you had a hand in starting said civil war.
 
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Borders are there for a reason, system of vetting is there for a reason, background check, terrorist checks, the countries they are coming from do not have systems in place to find out who is who. We do not have the info either. The FBI has stated this clearly.

It cost over $12,000 a year to keep one refugee in the u.s. It cost approximately $1,500 to keep them somewhere safer than wear they are in the Middle East. And your putting people in the u.s. Who do not believe in our freedom, can't speak English, no jobs, no money, no house. What about the 10,000 + Americans liviving in the streets right now.
What about the people properly going through the correct motions to cone to the USA. Is it fair to just bump these refugee in front of everyone else. Would you like me to just get in front of you when your standing in line somewhere.

Where is this money coming from? This administration has put us more in debt than any other in history? I do not think it's logical to let people into your home without knowing a little bit of background on them.
 
Yup, bigot at best. This reminds me of the U.S government did to the Japanese American's in WWII.the government was scared and ignorant like the OP speaking of which sounded like a white supremacist on a down low. No matter how he wrote it.

Even though Mr. Emerson's view is somewhat true. What he's trying to say in summary is we're adopting terrorists in this country. I'm sure not all of them are and most of them just wants to have good life and freedom but some of them are under cover terrorists that can and will attack us from inside out. I.e. San Bernardino massacre.
 
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I guess when you have nothing of value to say your only capable of insults.😉
 
big·ot
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noun
a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.


Reminds me of post 36
 
I visit blade forums every day but don't post much. Mr. Emerson is totally correct. Part to the problem with "debate" on the internet is that its always a "war" with those of differing viewpoints. Unfortunately as a some have pointed out Europe is a mess due to to mass migration without assimilation.

Some background on the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoZwIDlIL5Q

Jack
 
The one thing we will all agree upon is we all have a chance to voice our opinions on this subject. Without some person showing up on our door step and beheading us for our voicing our opinion.

I am not sure if any of you read any of the U.K. Newspapers on line, like the UK DAILY MAIL. They tell tell it how it is, they do not censor photos, the have reported extensively on the antic of the terrorists I personally fear will attach the USA again.

My father died in October of 2014, one of the last conversations we had he said the USA was to him has become unrecognizable as the country he grew up in. It had change for the worst.

Born in Puerto Rico, live in NYC, joined the Merchant Marine at 17. Spend all WW-II on Liberty Ships. After the war married, went to trade school, worked in a trade, started a business, retired, traveled the world, live many other place including Florida & California had many life experiences many of us will never have.

I tend to agree the USA & the people who live here have changed. Many do not identify with America, or the American way of life.

BTW Steve Jobs was adopted at birth, raised by a working class american family, with american values. Do not believe he ever knew his real father or mother.
 
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