The Refugees

[Jens Schuetz]

Yup, bigot at best. This reminds me of the U.S government did to the Japanese American's in WWII.the government was scared and ignorant like the OP speaking of which sounded like a white supremacist on a down low. No matter how he wrote it.

Even though Mr. Emerson's view is somewhat true. What he's trying to say in summary is we're adopting terrorists in this country. I'm sure not all of them are and most of them just wants to have good life and freedom but some of them are under cover terrorists that can and will attack us from inside out. I.e. San Bernardino massacre.

What would have happened if the American Japanese and Germans would not have been put into camps?
There was even an American Nazi party and American Führer.
Some American Germans became Nazi agents and where just barely prevented from blowing stuff up.
Japanese were thought to spy.
Not all American Germans and Japanese of course were part of this but how would you distinguish?
Camps arent all good of course. Some Germans and probably Japanese too only became radicalized in these camps which isn't good for the country and then there is the hardship for the interned families as well, who actually were Americans, but just had roots in the wrong Country.
Still I never heard anything bitter from people who were hold in these American camps for Citizens with German and Japanese background. I don't think they were just too afraid to hit back once released. I think they realised the necessity.

Where there ever any Italian camps in America before Italy switched sides in the war?

 

[sideways]

Filtering people based on race or ethnicity is repugnant. Filtering them according to cultural and social compatibility just seems like common sense. It is not a race people reject when calling for tighter controls it is the culture. It is not racist to call out a hateful ideology. This is something the multiculturalism at all costs folks refuse to see. It is hypocritical to not hold those wanting to join our communities to the same standards as we expect from ourselves.

Anyone coming from a theocratic or totalitarian society over the age of about 5 is going to have as part of their core identity a laundry list of ideas that are not compatible with a free and open society. These attitudes don't just change overnight. It is naive in the extreme to assume that all these displaced peoples will suddenly abandon their culture. Under normal conditions many of the countries of origin would be considered extremely undesirable places for recruiting immigrants. So what changed?

Migrants are not leaving for the right reason i.e. because they have done the research and believe western way of life is superior or even desirable. They are leaving because their own countries have become uninhabitable and the west provides a lot of free stuff. In many cases this generosity is not even seen for what it is, charity, but rather a twisted affirmation of faux superiority over the unbelievers. Something to be taken advantage of.

Add to that that the people coming are predominantly from the demographic group most prone to violence, namely young rootless males, and you have a recipe for disaster. Why are pushy young men from affluent families more worthy of protection than the women and children left behind at refugee camps in the middle east and africa?

Why should even one of these people who could afford to make the journey, travelling through many safe countries on the way shopping for the country with the most generous benefits be granted protection. Protection they obviously don't need by virtue of having made the journey itself, especially when that same money could protect 100 people these young men gallantly abandoned to fend for themselves?

 

[NG VI]

I don't know....

10,000 Syrians with 3rd world educations, 3rd world beliefs, and 3rd world stone age cultural sounds like a great idea....

Hell, I'm already paying taxes and I'd love to pay for 10,000 predominately military aged males for the rest of their lives. I'm sure their highly qualified to hold a job and be of benefit to society...

I must concur and well said, Sir. The ship is full and the world must support itself.

Certainly not your intent, but I'm off to buy one of your knives...

Prior to their civil war Syria was a solidly middle income nation with a high rate of postsecondary education, I believe ~40% of their workforce held degrees.

As far as Islam being a 'system' rather than a large, diverse branch of the Abrahamic faiths, that's just silly rationalization. Islam is a pretty ordinary Abrahamic religion.

Geopolitical, geoeconomic, and social factors are the fuel of our modern conflicts, just like they always have been.

 

[NG VI]

The key word here is assimilation. Immigrants in the past wanted to come to america to be Americans. Now they want to come here to use our system. None of them want to assimilate to this country.

What family moved to America with the dream of abandoning their heritage completely?

That's how people slaves 'immigrate', under the condition that they have no past.

We don't subject our neighbors to that in this country.

America is strongest when it embraces open multiculturalism, we are and always be a pluralistic society and there is no way to stifle that without becoming a nation of monsters.

 

[Akapennypincher]

I honeslty do not get why some people wish to open the doors to the USA to more people when America faces many problems.

Record Debt.

Record Unemployment.

Record Underemployment.

Record numbers of people on AFDC, Food Stamps, General Assistance (welfare), and other entitlement programs.

Many people with Healtcare because ACA is too expensive.

Plus our Department of Veterans Affairs can not even deliver earned benefits to people who one wore the uniform of our country.

Add to that America is already trying to stop a flow of ileagle aliens from our Southern & Northern Borders, ICE, Customs Service, Border Patrol & DHS is over worked & undermanned.

I do not know what other people see when they drive around where they live. But I see more people standing on corners with signs begging, I see more businesses closing verses opening, I see more people living in boxes and on the street. America has it fair share of Americans with big problems.

What I see is many people in this country struggling to get by, find full time work, people who are recent college graduates still living at home because they can not find a job.

Maybe America needs to fix or own internal problems, before taking on any more problem from outside the USA Borders.

JMO

 

[dasknife]

The key word here is assimilation. Immigrants in the past wanted to come to america to be Americans. Now they want to come here to use our system. None of them want to assimilate to this country.

Well said, this sounds like an educated analysis.

It's not the Muslims that want to come here to join our society and do the American thing that are the issue. It's the ones seeking refuge because they have no other choice and because they cannot live there homeland that are the issue. They choose to live in their country because they believe in it and now unfortunately need our help. I currently have American Muslim friends as well as professors who are and have been very nice people and have chosen to join the race so to speak.

 

[NG VI]

The one thing we will all agree upon is we all have a chance to voice our opinions on this subject. Without some person showing up on our door step and beheading us for our voicing our opinion.

I am not sure if any of you read any of the U.K. Newspapers on line, like the UK DAILY MAIL. They tell tell it how it is, they do not censor photos, the have reported extensively on the antic of the terrorists I personally fear will attach the USA again.

My father died in October of 2014, one of the last conversations we had he said the USA was to him has become unrecognizable as the country he grew up in. It had change for the worst.

Born in Puerto Rico, live in NYC, joined the Merchant Marine at 17. Spend all WW-II on Liberty Ships. After the war married, went to trade school, worked in a trade, started a business, retired, traveled the world, live many other place including Florida & California had many life experiences many of us will never have.

I tend to agree the USA & the people who live here have changed. Many do not identify with America, or the American way of life.

BTW Steve Jobs was adopted at birth, raised by a working class american family, with american values. Do not believe he ever knew his real father or mother.

Your father's generation had a very different set of rules on the ground regarding career opportunities,much of the 'trouble' with all these underachieving youngsters today is directly related to a lack of meaningful opportunity, and a lack of respectfully paid low-end work.

Not to say there aren't a lot of shiftless scallywags, but there have always been people to play the clown, there's nothing extraordinary or alarming about the youth today.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

I honeslty do not get why some people wish to open the doors to the USA to more people when America faces many problems.

Record Debt.

Record Unemployment.

Record Underemployment.

Record numbers of people on AFDC, Food Stamps, General Assistance (welfare), and other entitlement programs.

Many people with Healtcare because ACA is too expensive.

Plus our Department of Veterans Affairs can not even deliver earned benefits to people who one wore the uniform of our country.

Add to that America is already trying to stop a flow of ileagle aliens from our Southern & Northern Borders, ICE, Customs Service, Border Patrol & DHS is over worked & undermanned.

I do not know what other people see when they drive around where they live. But I see more people standing on corners with signs begging, I see more businesses closing verses opening, I see more people living in boxes and on the street. America has it fair share of Americans with big problems.

What I see is many people in this country struggling to get by, find full time work, people who are recent college graduates still living at home because they can not find a job.

Maybe America needs to fix or own internal problems, before taking on any more problem from outside the USA Borders.

JMO

More claims, still no evidence to support them.

Here, I'll help out a little. Here's a link to the actual national unemployment rate. Of course it places your claim right into the garbage can, but nontheless

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

 

[n7titan]

Well said, this sounds like an educated analysis.

It's not the Muslims that want to come here to join our society and do the American thing that are the issue. It's the ones seeking refuge because they have no other choice and because they cannot live there homeland that are the issue. They choose to live in their country because they believe in it and now unfortunately need our help. I currently have American Muslim friends as well as professors who are and have been very nice people and have chosen to join the race so to speak.

Again, my family falls into the category you guys are speaking of. Fleeing from war, no plans, no idea if they will stay in the US or if it's just a stop.
Your fears of our system being abused is disputed by the thousands of families who decided to stay and assimilate. That is not a decision you make lightly.

Imagine for some reason Americans have to flee for an undetermined amount of time elsewhere. Would your first thought be "I have to assimilate or go back home"? Or maybe you're a patriot who wouldn't think twice about staying and fighting.
What of your family then? The young? The old? The disabled? When they flee they still think of home and would rather see it again than give up. They wait in a strange land with strange customs praying to see home again and you expect them to adapt full force from the get go when their family and friends are risking life and limb back home?

So assimilation may not be their 1st plan, it wasn't for my family. But now we are US citizens contributing as much as rest of us Americans. My parents struggled through the recessions with the rest of them in the 70's and 80's

I am American because my family wasn't turned away out of fear.

 

[Akapennypincher]

More claims, still no evidence to support them.

Here, I'll help out a little. Here's a link to the actual national unemployment rate. Of course it places your claim right into the garbage can, but nontheless

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

I live outside of Phoenix Arizona many of my observations are from what I see with my own eyes. Many of the un & under employeed are not counted as they no longer are collecting unemployment.

I identified many of the problems facing the USA that the News Media report frequently. Of course if you have a job, if you job provides you medical, dental, prescription drugs, own a home, have a pension plan everything is hunky be dorey in your world.

Like I said America has problems. If you life is wonderful that is great. If you are one of the people suffering under this POTUS and the recession that has been effecting many Americans everything is not wonderful.

Like I said IMHO I see zero reason to bring more problem to the USA called refugees.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

I live outside of Phoenix Arizona many of my observations are from what I see with my own eyes. Many of the un & under employeed are not counted as they no longer are collecting unemployment.

I identified many of the problems facing the USA that the News Media report frequently. Of course if you have a job, if you job provides you medical, dental, prescription drugs, own a home, have a pension plan everything is hunky be dorey in your world.

Like I said America has problems. If you life is wonderful that is great. If you are one of the people suffering under this POTUS and the recession that has been effecting many Americans everything is not wonderful.

Like I said IMHO I see zero reason to bring more problem to the USA called refugees.

You made factual claims and have continually failed to back up any of them with actual evidence. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion you are not, however, entitled to your own facts.

 

[bravodelta]

More claims, still no evidence to support them.

Here, I'll help out a little. Here's a link to the actual national unemployment rate. Of course it places your claim right into the garbage can, but nontheless

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

Respectfully, it may be worth citing a source other than the people who literally make up all the stats. Using the BLS #'s as a source is akin to asking a terrorist if they are a terrorist and taking them at their word.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Respectfully, it may be worth citing a source other than the people who literally make up all the stats. Using the BLS #'s as a source is akin to asking a terrorist if they are a terrorist and taking them at their word.

I don't know that I entirely agree, but I think there's a solid argument to be had about methodology and validity of those numbers. However, hard numbers from the BLS definitely trump the hell out of, "Unemployment is at a record high because I feel like it is."

 

[bravodelta]

I don't know that I entirely agree, but I think there's a solid argument to be had about methodology and validity of those numbers. However, hard numbers from the BLS definitely trump the hell out of, "Unemployment is at a record high because I feel like it is."

I wish there was a better source (shadowstats.com). However, the government folks keep telling me I am much better off than I was 10 years ago?? Must be the 28% year over year ObamaCare premium hikes they are taking into account.

 

[Akapennypincher]

You made factual claims and have continually failed to back up any of them with actual evidence. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion you are not, however, entitled to your own facts.

You can believe what ever you wish, I am entitled to report what I see with my own eye effecting people in the state I live in. If you do not agree with me the federal government needs to fix what is broken in the USA before importing more problems into the USA that is your choice.

If the recent events in San Bernardino California did not open you eye to the fact that the USA is not doing a great job venting those who wish to come to America I would say you need to get your eye examined.

Like I said if it was up to me all immigration to the USA would be stopped as of today. Until the USA fixes all of the domestic problems the country is dealing with.

A good place to start with is delivering the services earned & promised to Veterans who wore the uniform of the US Armed Service. The Department of Veterans Affair is doing a marginal job at best delivering the promised benefit to our veterans.

 

[Mister X]

My personal belief is that any noble religion must embrace agency, the ability to choose, or reject that particular belief system. Any religion that is forced down a throat or up a butt is not worthy of American tolerance.

I appreciate Mr. Emerson's candor as well as all the thoughtful responses in this thread.

Fight on.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

You can believe what ever you wish, I am entitled to report what I see with my own eye effecting people in the state I live in. If you do not agree with me the federal government needs to fix what is broken in the USA before importing more problems into the USA that is your choice.

If the recent events in San Bernardino California did not open you eye to the fact that the USA is not doing a great job venting those who wish to come to America I would say you need to get your eye examined.

Like I said if it was up to me all immigration to the USA would be stopped as of today. Until the USA fixes all of the domestic problems the country is dealing with.

A good place to start with is delivering the services earned & promised to Veterans who wore the uniform of the US Armed Service. The Department of Veterans Affair is doing a marginal job at best delivering the promised benefit to our veterans.

You're still failing to address the point. You've claimed quite a few different numbers are at record highs. That's a factual claim in that it either is or is not true, no real middle ground. I actually haven't even claimed you're wrong, I've just asked for some, any really, corroborating evidence, which you've failed to provide. Difference of opinions is to be expected, but when you make claims in an attempt to bolster your argument you should have some source for them.

 

[Sig_Op]

You can believe what ever you wish, I am entitled to report what I see with my own eye effecting people in the state I live in. If you do not agree with me the federal government needs to fix what is broken in the USA before importing more problems into the USA that is your choice.

If the recent events in San Bernardino California did not open you eye to the fact that the USA is not doing a great job venting those who wish to come to America I would say you need to get your eye examined.

Like I said if it was up to me all immigration to the USA would be stopped as of today. Until the USA fixes all of the domestic problems the country is dealing with.

A good place to start with is delivering the services earned & promised to Veterans who wore the uniform of the US Armed Service. The Department of Veterans Affair is doing a marginal job at best delivering the promised benefit to our veterans.

No more immigrants? More restrictions on trade. Some of the comments in this thread make me sick. We have been down this road before, did not turn out well. Disliking people because of their religion again has happened before. Islam is the second largest religion. Are there bad Muslims? Of course are there bad Christians? Absolutely. As a world we need to be more tolerant, and strive to work together. We need to stop stereotyping people because of race or religion, give everyone an equal chance. I'm from Canada and many people here have similar views posted, and it disgusts me to think that a nation known to be multicultural is shaming people in need. Canada is supposed to take in 25000 people, would I accept a hike in taxes to help out? Damn right! Please do not let a few bad apples to spoil the bunch

 

[Akapennypincher]

No more immigrants? More restrictions on trade. Some of the comments in this thread make me sick. We have been down this road before, did not turn out well. Disliking people because of their religion again has happened before. Islam is the second largest religion. Are there bad Muslims? Of course are there bad Christians? Absolutely. As a world we need to be more tolerant, and strive to work together. We need to stop stereotyping people because of race or religion, give everyone an equal chance. I'm from Canada and many people here have similar views posted, and it disgusts me to think that a nation known to be multicultural is shaming people in need. Canada is supposed to take in 25000 people, would I accept a hike in taxes to help out? Damn right! Please do not let a few bad apples to spoil the bunch

I am sorry my opionion is not that of yours or your countrymen in Canada that are willing to take 25,000 refugees. Like I said we have internal problems in the USA that are effecting citizens of our country. Fixing those problem on home soil to me is more important than importing people into the USA that will only add a bigger burden on US tax payers. JMHO.

Talk about social problem that needs fixing on US soil how about this little news story linked below. A sign everything is not OK in the USA.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...use-clean-bathrooms-butt-naked-squatters.html

 

[Lycosa]

"well ya dunt... have... to live like a refugee...
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