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The "Sebenza" effect

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My Sebbies haven't really affected my buying habits--they just lowered the number of knives I can buy, as I'm not made of $$. I enjoy EDCing my "nuked" small Sebenza 21, but I still enjoy carrying a BM mini-grip or one of my many Spydercos or Kershaws. I also have a safe queen small Sebenza 21 with a unique graphic.


 
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I look for all the things that make a great knife regardless of maker. I own a small Classic and think it's the best small I've ever owned. Everything about it is perfect to me. Mine has great detent and can still be flicked open with ease. The lockup early & perfect. I also adore my SnG CC which many wouldn't utter in the same sentence as the Sebenza. Just like the Classic it is perfect for me with CRK type quality, but the "beef" when I need it. These are tools and no one tool is perfect for every job. I have no safe queens so a knife must be more than pretty. The Sebenza is a great EDC albeit not an inexpensive one. I'm sure there has been buyer's remorse, but only because of the cost or what someone might have gave up to get one. I have traded 3-4 high quality knives to get Sebenzas and have never regretted it for a second.

No "one" knife has ever stopped my desire though..

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I was recently given a Sebenza for my 50th birthday. At first I was fairly ambivalent. It was nice but nothing spectacular. One thing I didn't like is how I can touch the sharp edge of the blade when closed through the open back of the scales. Not enough to cut myself, but are they all like that?
However, after 2 months it has won me over. I like the feel of the scales, the slimness and how narrow it is with no large, wide blade sticking out of the scales. I now find it hard to leave it out of my pocket.
 
I guess my "illness" runs deeper. I have Striders(is that a sin), Spyderco, Benchmade, a Skyline. I like to cycle them.
I will say though, I sold three other Sebenzas before, now I have a "keeper" a small micarta, I don't see me getting rid of this one. The other Sebs were slab sided.
 
I have had a decent amount expensive folders. I have hung onto my Hinderer XM-18 3.5 and my XM-24 for a while now. I've never been perfectly happy with them though. Decided to try out a couple of CRK blades. Got a large 21 and a Wilson Umnumzaan 2 days ago. I really do think I have found the end of the line for my folder hunt. This star Umnum is just amazing. Being into flippers, that says a lot. Now I'm starting to thing flippers are just a way to hype up a knife that is lacking. It's like a distraction. The simple beauty and perfect action of my Umnum doesn't leave me wanting. It might be a little premature but I think I can say CRK has ended my folder buying addiction.
 
I keep seeing the same thing from a lot of different people - "I stopped carrying all my other knives after I got a Sebenza" "My Sebenza stopped my knife-buying frenzy" etc etc etc

I know the reputation very well at this point. Glassy smooth pivot, perfect lockup, super tight tolerance (and some concerns about the heat treatment being too soft) - is that what did it for you? Was it the overall feel of the handle? Please, tell me, as best you can, why (or if) your Sebenza(s) changed your carry / purchasing habits.

Also, my main reason for making this thread - do those same sentiments regarding the knife immediately becoming your favored knife long-term also apply to the Umnumzaan? I have one coming in through a trade.


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I'm one of those guys. I have always liked the design from 20 years ago when I saw it in blade magazine it just struck me as a very well thought out folder but at the time I had more chance of becoming a woman than I did coming up with $400 for a pocketknife.
Since then I have had various Benchmades, Kershaws, ZT's, Spydies, Bokers,Lionsteel and numerous others, the only one of these I really loved was my old Benchmade leopard ,designed by Pat Crawford which I eventually just wore out.
All of these knives were an EDC ,some I carried for six months to four years only replacing them when they were lost wore out or I got something better.All had good points and not so good none were perfect though some were pretty darn good.
Over the years I also got into making knives mostly fixed blades but I've tinkered with a few folders, which helped develop my understanding of design and function that goes into a knife.
Then about 12 months ago I finally paid the bit extra and got a Large Sebenza classic 21, just plain no inlays and single thumbstud. I must admit at first I was a bit underwhelmed, a lot of dosh and it was nothing special. Sure it was neat and precise and smooth, but it was plain and the one thumbstud thing bugged me a bit.
I didnt have a lot of choice with models though as gettin a Sebenza in Australia, is like finding hens teeth. I liked it but thought maybe Id been ripped off a bit, especially when I read threads about soft tempers and edge durabilty concerns.
So I though what the heck I'll compare its cutting performance to the other good productions I had at the time. Well I whittled wood, I cut paper,plastic,rubber, zip ties, chipboard, fruit, cheese, cardboard, even aluminium and brass anything I could get my hands on until it wouldn't slice any more.
After a few hours of this I was impressed, the edge held up well compared to similar steels, no chipping, minor rolling under hard use(aluminium,brass) but a few swipes on ceramic rod sorted that out. No scratches in the finish either.And the edge geometry was MUCH better than a lot of knives I've used thin enough to cut great but strong enough to hold up to reasonable hard use.I resharpened it on a 400 grit belt and ceramic stone and put it my pocket confident it would be up to any task I was likely to ask of it.
As time went by I really enjoyed using and carrying it, but would think every now and then, "Hey maybe I should take one of my other knives today", but would look and think "but the Sebenza will probably do it better, and be nicer while it does it", the only time I take something else is if I think it might get lost or shared by non knife people(thats what SAKs are for).
So like you I had heard of others only using their Sebenza while the rest of their collection gathered dust, and thought "never my other knives are too cool, they're this that or the other" but I've sold off all my other expensive productions and soley carry and use my Sebenza and love it.I had knives that did some things better than a Sebenza but no knife that did everything as well as a Sebenza.
The thing that really burns me is, being into making knives, and moving more toward folders these days I look at the Sebenza and honestly think that even given the right tools and time I don't think I could make it better. Something I can confidently say about almost any knife, you know make this bit longer or thinner or stronger of from a different steel. I reckon I could make a different knife that was just as good, but improve the Sebenza....thats a big ask. Everything on it that"s not there to help it cut has been removed(well except that naff engraving, classic MM, but I can live with that).
So for me the Sebenza is the perfect EDC and has made me pretty much a one knife guy.
I am a bit biased toward the 21 design though even the other models like the Umnunzaan, the Regular, and the inlaid versions, and the 25 just don't have that simple elegance of form and function,well maybe the Regular, they all have little things I'd change.
For anyone on the fence about a Sebenza I say spend the extra, use it and you will love it. It may be sad to see your other knives go but hey you've still got your Seb.
 
As far as those people who choose their Sebenza over the rest of their knives, I wonder what the price range is of the rest of their knives. If a person has a bunch of $50 to $100 knives, and then they buy a $400-$500 knife, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they choose to carry the more expensive knife. Aside from the quality, one simple reason is "I spent THIS MUCH on a knife so I'm damn well gonna carry it everyday".

Of course some Sebenza owners have several expensive folders. And maybe for some of those people the Sebenza just happens to be their favorite. There is no ONE TYPE of Sebenza owner and I doubt that there is only one reason why people choose a Sebenza over other knives. Personal knife preferences are as varied as peoples personalities.
 
In my case, finally getting a Sebenza did in fact change my views on knives pretty dramatically. The problem (not for my wallet) is that it will make you substantially more picky about your future purchases, because there is little chance they will match the Sebenza in fit and finish. The great thing about CRK knives is that there is zero worry after buying one; it's going to be perfect and that is almost a certainty. If somehow the previous owner did something pretty dramatic to screw it up, CRK has the ability to restore it to like new. The Sebenza is a good, all-round EDC but what really makes it stand out for me is knowing that you are buying absolute flawlessness.
 
To put it simply My Sebbie cuts better, longer, and easier, than any knife I've owned. The design and finish are flawless. It's a joy to use in every respect.
 
In my case, finally getting a Sebenza did in fact change my views on knives pretty dramatically. The problem (not for my wallet) is that it will make you substantially more picky about your future purchases, because there is little chance they will match the Sebenza in fit and finish. The great thing about CRK knives is that there is zero worry after buying one; it's going to be perfect and that is almost a certainty. If somehow the previous owner did something pretty dramatic to screw it up, CRK has the ability to restore it to like new. The Sebenza is a good, all-round EDC but what really makes it stand out for me is knowing that you are buying absolute flawlessness.

That is one of the things that sold me on them as well - aside from fit and finish (centering issues, blade play, and rough pivot action are dealbreakers), the warranty service is apparently stellar and you can basically have a brand new knife no matter what has happened for $35(?) through the spa service.

Unrelated aside about the blade steel / heat treat:
Since I've gotten my wicked edge, I have found I no longer lust after those ridiculously highly-wear-resistant steels like M4 - I can just touch up the blade in a couple minutes to a perfect edge with absolute reliability. S35VN is a wonderful steel (having used Spyderco's, ZT's, Microtech's, and Kizer's) so I'm not too worried about that. It strops easily and wonderfully to a very fine edge, and the WE can be employed to make it terrifying.
 
I have absolutely no interest in a Sebenza or paying that much for a knife. That and I don't like the way they look. :D
 
I have absolutely no interest in a Sebenza or paying that much for a knife. That and I don't like the way they look. :D

Then... Why did you respond to this thread? I'm asking for personal experiences, not personal preferences. There are many knives I own that I know many other people have no interest in. That's neither surprising or interesting to anyone.
 
Honestly, I had really high expectations but it just didn't do anything for me. It's well-made no doubt, but it's not the end-all, be-all that it's made out to be. Hey, that rhymed.
 
I appreciate the Sebenza engineering, feel, look, and all of that good stuff, and own a large Classic, small 21 and an Umnumzaan. Will probably pull the trigger on a 25 this week when I build up the nerve to drop that kind of coinage. But 80% of my pocket time goes to everything else along the knife spectrum from cheapy Kershaws to Spydies to Cold Steel. So I love them all. CRK has not really spoiled me, as I see positive attributes in just about every knife I can get my hands on.
 
Honestly I think if there was a chris reeve flipper (one that was made for working people (not collectors)) that would end the knife hunts for me.

As much as I love my sebenza, sometimes (many times) I need to open it one handed. Last thing I want inside a freezer is to drop everything and remove seb from leather pouch to use.

I have to open dozens of boxes at times and a flipper is perfect for that. I just want one with Chris reeve tolerances.
 
Honestly I think if there was a chris reeve flipper (one that was made for working people (not collectors)) that would end the knife hunts for me.

As much as I love my sebenza, sometimes (many times) I need to open it one handed. Last thing I want inside a freezer is to drop everything and remove seb from leather pouch to use.

I have to open dozens of boxes at times and a flipper is perfect for that. I just want one with Chris reeve tolerances.

Why not just carry it clipped rather than in the pouch?
 
Amazing knives. I could not stand the umnum. That is just me as they are super tough and popular. For me It does not offer what the 21 does . Or the 25 for that matter. But yes they are that great. Ive owned other variations of the Large Regular and the umnum. Finally ended with the Large 21. The edge grind works so well. I cant ever spend top dollar so I found one lightly used for a little over 300 shipped. Sheath carry with clip.

The only other knife on the market I could care to own is the 0562 on pre order. That should give it a run for its money.
That said I will still try out budget folders for fun.

Matt
 
I have a few times but it kept getting loose (may be my slacks).

Another thing, my hands will be greasy from time to time and I have a small nick from when I tried to open sebenza with a greasy hand. Flipper just works for me at work.
Any other time, I'll bring the seb.
 
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