The Ultimate Lubricant Thread

Mineral oil, parrafin, something like anise or licorice oil, and alcohol is what's in ballistol.
 
rifon2 said:
I recently tried a product called INOX, from Australia, that supposedly is a good lube, corrosion inhibitor and safe to ingest. However, I was not at all impressed with its corrosion inhibiting ability. Just thought it was worth mentioning.
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ridgewalker said:
I tried INOX oil on my knives because it was referenced as being "food grade" by the seller on his Ebay store which specializes in SAK's. However when I read the can, there was no reference to this. Another reason I don't care for INOX oil is it turned my knives into dust magnets. Worse than any other lubricant I have ever used!
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mamba-man said:
The Australian INOX website (Candan Industries) proudly proclaims the use of PTFE (PolyTetraFluoroEthylene - see above) in their range. I guess they think that's food grade!

Call them and ask if INOX-MX3 contains PTFE before buying or using it further, IMO.
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I did call the California importer before buying the product. A rep there told me - and I also saw this on the INOX website - that the Australia and New Zealand equivalents of the FDA had given INOX permission to bill the product as non-toxic.

From the INOX site:

"APPROVALS

FOOD GRADE
AUSTRALIA: Instrument of Approval is freely available on request.
NEW ZEALAND: NZFSA Approved C 12 (All animal product except dairy)

N.B. Copies of Food Grade Approvals can be downloaded from the INOX-mx3 MSDS page. They can also be faxed or posted directly to the recipiant from Candan Industries Pty Ltd."
 
rifon2 said:
NEW ZEALAND: NZFSA Approved C 12 (All animal product except dairy)
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Confirms my suspicion that INOX is an animal derived product i.e lanolin fraction.

Australia is slow to catch up on some scores (I'm an Aussie so I should know). The fact that they see INOX as food grade means very little. You should call the company (Candan) +61 7 3209 8733 and ask them if INOX contains PTFE (PolyTetraFluoroEthylene) before you cut food with INOX-lubed knives.
 
mamba-man said:
Confirms my suspicion that INOX is an animal derived product i.e lanolin fraction.

Australia is slow to catch up on some scores (I'm an Aussie so I should know). The fact that they see INOX as food grade means very little. You should call the company (Candan) +61 7 3209 8733 and ask them if INOX contains PTFE (PolyTetraFluoroEthylene) before you cut food with INOX-lubed knives.
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Interesting; I appreciate the info.

But as I mentioned earlier -

a. I didn't think much of the product after trying it

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b. Only lube I'd feel safe using on blades for food is food grade mineral oil.
 
I wouldn't put it near a knife that had a fiberglass, epoxy or plastic components like FRN or G-10. One guy reported that with Hoppe's #9 he "dissolved 2 sets of plastic grips and took some of the finish off of a polymer coated pistol"
Mamba-Man

Huh. Interesting. I just wiped some Hoppe's on a bic lighter and on the plastic and rubber parts of a ballpoint pen with no ill effects. Anyway, not to argue, thanks for your input. I doubt that the trace amounts of whatever we put on our clean blades is going to kill us. Not as fast as some of the other crap we get out of the air and water.
 
So far, I still think the best lube for non-food-use blades is silicone oil. Very safe, non-toxic, does not attract dust, no resinification.
 
Coldwood said:
I just wiped some Hoppe's on a bic lighter and on the plastic and rubber parts of a ballpoint pen with no ill effects.
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Hehe! The damage takes time. Kids drink Coke all the time and their teeth look fine. But put a child's milk tooth in a glass of Coke for a few days. It'll disappear.

I doubt that the trace amounts of whatever we put on our clean blades is going to kill us. Not as fast as some of the other crap we get out of the air and water.
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I couldn't disagree more. Nobody knows the safe exposure levels to these novel chemicals, and cancer rates are rising in the world.
 
I couldn't disagree more. Nobody knows the safe exposure levels to these novel chemicals, and cancer rates are rising in the world.
Mamba-Man

Point taken, and I couldn't agree more. We never know what's going to come around and bite us.
Don
 
mamba-man said:
So far, I still think the best lube for non-food-use blades is silicone oil. Very safe, non-toxic, does not attract dust, no resinification.
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On your suggestion, I'll try A.G. Russell RustFree again. I tried it once on a nice carbon steel slipjoint and it left the blade kind of tacky (sticky). Used only a tiny bit like A.G. says.

After that, went back to Tuf-Glide or FP10, they're pretty much interchangeable for me as far as blade coating is concerned. (Like FP10 better for lube though.)

I'll look back at your posts on this thread, but
is RustFree completely non toxic? (Doesn't say so on the bottle.)
 
Yes, it is, and you'd also get away with using the silicone spray from Home Depot if you have G10 or FRN handles. El cheapo plastics, well, I take no responsibility. Just don't soak the knife in spray and wipe the excess up.
 
Mamba, I think you're taking this a bit too seriously. Just because something contains something questionable doesn't mean we are all going to die if we use it on our knives. We're not downing bottles of the stuff, we're wiping our blades with it. Food preparation is another story, but if you're that worried about what is on your knife blade, maybe you should start collecting something else.
 
Friend, you are welcome to keep quaffing up the lovely sweet trichloroethylene fumes and smearing it from your blade onto your apples! I wish you good luck. Long may you live.
 
I eat apples. I don't cut them up. I don't use the stuff on my blades, I only use it on my pivots.

Also, quaffing only refers to liquids.
 
I used "quaff" loosely, as in you'll be drinking down the fumes of that chlorinated solvent, and you will be. Into your head and down your throat they'll go, but into the lungs not stomach, where the fumes will effortlessly enter your bloodstream to do their dirty work.

Here's one of many recent studies:

Toxicol Sci. 2006 Jun;91(2):313-31. Epub 2006 Jan 18.

Trichloroethylene: mechanisms of renal toxicity and renal cancer and relevance to risk assessment.

Lock EA, Reed CJ. School of Biomolecular Sciences, Liverpool John Moores University, Byrom Street, Liverpool, L3 3AF United Kingdom.

1,1,2-Trichloroethylene (TCE) is an important solvent that is widespread in the environment. We have reviewed carcinogenicity data from seven bioassays with regard to renal injury and renal tumors. We report a consistent but low incidence of renal tubule carcinoma in male rats. Epidemiology studies on workers exposed to TCE (and other chlorinated solvents) indicate a weak association between high-level exposure and renal cancer. There appears to be a threshold below which no renal injury or carcinogenicity is expected to arise. TCE is not acutely nephrotoxic to rats or mice, but subchronic exposure to rats produces a small increase in urinary markers of renal injury. Following chronic exposure, pathological changes (toxic nephrosis and a high incidence of cytomegaly and karyomegaly) were observed. The basis for the chronic renal injury probably involves bioactivation of TCE. Based on the classification by E. A. Lock and G. C. Hard (2004, Crit. Rev. Toxicol. 34, 211-299) of chemicals that induce renal tubule tumors, we found no clear evidence to place TCE in category 1 or 2 (chemicals that directly or indirectly interact with renal DNA), category 4 (direct cytotoxicity and sustained tubule cell regeneration), category 5 (indirect cytotoxicity and sustained tubule cell regeneration associated with alpha2u-globulin accumulation), or category 6 (exacerbation of spontaneous chronic progressive nephropathy). TCE is best placed in category 3, chemicals that undergo conjugation with GSH and subsequent enzymatic activation to a reactive species. The implication for human risk assessment is that TCE should not automatically be judged by linear default methods; benchmark methodology could be used.

PMID: 16421178 [PubMed - in process]


You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink
 
I don't know where you're getting TCE from. When you analyzed my lube, you didn't say it contained any.
 
ridgewalker said:
Yes, the INOX-mx3. That's the stuff I tried. It appears from your website link that it is approved as food grade in Australia but not in the USA. That must be why it doesn't say food grade on the can. But man, it sure is a dust magnet. It's incredible the way it attracts dust. Even after wiping it off.

I would be interested in hearing about the dust attracting properties of the other lubricants being discussed. I know WD-40 has a reputation for attracting dust.
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My blades which are coated with FP10 or Tuf-Glide do not attract dust.
 
mamba-man said:
Aha! The strange, sweet odor is the toxic Trichloroethylene again.



My suspicions are confirmed. :barf:
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I don't know if Breakfree contains Trike, but I don't think that peculiar breakfree smell is because of it. In fact, I've used pure trike, and I don't recall a sweet smell at all. Think white-out (correction fluid) ... that's trichlorethylene.
 
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