there is a green flipping frenzy going on

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Well there's that, all right. How long does a person have to hang onto a knife before they can sell it at a profit WITHOUT being accused of flipping it? Or is it based more on the percentage markup that they're selling it for. For example, if I sell a knife for 10% more today than I bought it for yesterday, am I flipping it? How about 20%? How about 50%? I mean, can anyone explain the flipping rules around here?
 
How long does a person have to hang onto a knife before they can sell it at a profit WITHOUT being accused of flipping it?
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Seriously, who cares.

I just bought one on the secondary market with a $100 markup and don't feel bad about it at all. I missed out when they were available but I can buy one now, albeit at market prices. If I had known about the sprints when they were available, I would have bought several and sold a couple while keeping one or two.
 
They can pretty seriously worked up about it.
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And those are the same kind of people who drove Thomas (one of the moderators of the Kershaw subforum and a great resource) completely insane with their negativity, until he just quit and doesn't post any more. Unfortunately I've found that's what you should expect from the internet's peanut gallery.
 
I thought what drove Thomas out was the incessant whining about when knives were going to be released. Shows you what I know . . .
 
HAHAHA. It certainly is! Ken44 may have a point. OFF WITH ITS HEAD, I SAY!!! Send this thread to W&C where the intellectuals can get their hands on it. :D
 
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jimmyjohnjohn said:
And those are the same kind of people who drove Thomas (one of the moderators of the Kershaw subforum and a great resource) completely insane with their negativity, until he just quit and doesn't post any more. Unfortunately I've found that's what you should expect from the internet's peanut gallery.
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Are you sure? Thomas has no problem with me I can assure you that.

What does Thomas' situation have to do with this? People aren't complaining about the company here, I do not see any connection at all. As far as negativity is concerned, there are touchy subjects including this one, you act like we're doing the same thing to Sal if I follow your logic bringing Thomas up. End users not being able to get a knife without paying a 100% markup off the bat is something worth bringing up to some people. I remember this happening with the CBCF, a dealer was selling it for above MSRP and the Kershaw mod Jimmer inquired with us about it, so you see concerns about pricing is a concern for companies. Not to mention Sal himself insists that dealers follow a general pricing guideline and was on the record for warning one recently. Of course, we're not talking about dealers in this case and I hear the "irony" story that everyone sells off their collections which includes limited sprints which is true... I do too, sold them for fair prices and no profit all the time. It isn't necessarily about making a profit though, want to sell a rare knife and make money? Knock yourself out. Some are simply voicing concern over genuine end users having to deal with a secondary middle man... It's not about moral high ground or singling out people, more about just being bummed at the situation. Can we do that? In this free market society, we are also free to speak our mind.
 
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Are you sure? Thomas has no problem with me I can assure you that.

What does Thomas' situation have to do with this? People aren't complaining about the company here, I do not see any connection at all. As far as negativity is concerned, there are touchy subjects including this one, you act like we're doing the same thing to Sal if I follow your logic bringing Thomas up. End users not being able to get a knife without paying a 100% markup off the bat is something worth bringing up to some people. I remember this happening with the CBCF, a dealer was selling it for above MSRP and the Kershaw mod Jimmer inquired with us about it, so you see concerns about pricing is a concern for companies. Not to mention Sal himself insists that dealers follow a general pricing guideline and was on the record for warning one recently. Of course, we're not talking about dealers in this case and I hear the "irony" story that everyone sells off their collections which includes limited sprints which is true... I do too, sold them for fair prices and no profit all the time. It isn't necessarily about making a profit though, want to sell a rare knife and make money? Knock yourself out. Some are simply voicing concern over genuine end users having to deal with a secondary middle man... It's not about moral high ground or singling out people, more about just being bummed at the situation. Can we do that? In this free market society, we are also free to speak our mind.
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Apparently some people want just it to work to their preference...
 
If someone were to ask me "when is it an ethically moral time to sell a knife for a profit"?

I would probably spin it around and say "when is it ethically and moral to prevent me from selling something I own for whatever price I want"?

Bitching over stuff like this .... just doesn't make a lot of sense .... because the alternatives which prevent what some people find annoying ... are not just peer pressure for fair deals .... there more like encroachments on a freedom you should have as a given "right" .... no one forces a buyer to pay a high price ... and no one should prevent a seller from asking for one ...
 
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If someone were to ask me "when is it an ethically moral time to sell a knife for a profit"?

I would probably spin it around and say "when is it ethically and moral to prevent me from selling something I own for whatever price I want"?

Bitching over stuff like this .... just doesn't make a lot of sense .... because the alternatives which prevent what some people find annoying ... are not just peer pressure for fair deals .... there more like encroachments on a freedom you should have as a given "right" .... no one forces a buyer to pay a high price ... and no one should prevent a seller from asking for one ...
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Yep, I hear you. I don't agree with you. :D

If somehow there was something that prevented sellers from charging whatever they want, I bet you would be opening threads and bitching. :D

So bitching over threads like this just doesn't make a lot of sense because the alternatives(no free speech) are granted by the same system that allows you to charge what you want. ;)
 
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posts about BBS's pricing of the blue M390 exclusive, which was below Spyderco's MSRP. A lot of people have expressed strong feelings about the knife being over-priced, and clearly its sales rate has been vastly slower than, say, the orange XHP and green 204P versions
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Consider the market situation at that time- you could buy any stock PM2 easily for around $100, there were no shortages. The upgraded models with green or orange G10 were around $140, the upgraded model with blue G10 was $180. This would indicate that the blue model was overpriced by comparison. In today's situation where all PM2's are in short supply even the standard models can sell for $170 so it is hard to discuss prices that were in effect 16 months ago. If the orange and green sprints were priced closer to $180 they might not have sold out so fast, and they might not have sold to as many people intent on profiting from them.

Nobody knows how Spyderco is going to view all of this. They have the right to control final pricing but they don't choose to do it, of course they can raise wholesale pricing. It wouldn't be a surprise if when they decide to start producing PM2's again they price them $40 higher, and the next sprints might have wholesale prices that force the retailers to sell them for $200. If that happens then we can certainly thank the flippers for that.


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Well there's that, all right. How long does a person have to hang onto a knife before they can sell it at a profit WITHOUT being accused of flipping it? Or is it based more on the percentage markup that they're selling it for
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If a person bought the knife with the intention of selling for a profit, then I propose that they are clearly a flipper. (They could have stayed out of it and let a true enthusiast buy the knife.) If a person ordered the knife because they thought they like it, then changed their mind and within days of receiving it they sell it for 110% markup then I propose that they are a flipper. (They could have cancelled their order or they could have sold the knife at near their cost.) If someone takes a knife out of their collection, months after buying it, and sell it for current market prices then they would not be considered a flipper.
 
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Could the percentage of markup be the sole factor for designating a flipper?
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Not for bdmicarta. For him it appears to be a time issue:

bdmicarta said:
If a person bought the knife with the intention of selling for a profit, then I propose that they are clearly a flipper. (They could have stayed out of it and let a true enthusiast buy the knife.) If a person ordered the knife because they thought they like it, then changed their mind and within days of receiving it they sell it for 110% markup then I propose that they are a flipper. (They could have cancelled their order or they could have sold the knife at near their cost.) If someone takes a knife out of their collection, months after buying it, and sell it for current market prices then they would not be considered a flipper.
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So if a person held onto the knife for "months after buying it" and then sold it for whatever the market would bear, he wouldn't be a flipper. Of course, bdmicarta didn't stipulate that the person who put it in their collection had to do so with the intention of keeping it. Presumably, the person could have bought it to sell it all along but waited for the market to "ripen" before he did so and he wouldn't be considered a flipper in bdmicarta's eyes. Do I have the right? And precisely how many months would have to elapse for the taint of flipperism to pass from the scoundrel in question? :confused:
 
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How many flippers were there?
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Did flippers exist before the internet?
 
Only thing that really makes me gag about all of this is when people put their sale threads up with the following statements like "My tastes have changed over time" or "I completely forgot I had this on preorder, silly me". Just post your sale threads without the obnoxious bull crap and carry on. On the microscopic chance that any of those statements are actually true I still dont want to hear it anyway. Thanks!
 
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only thing that really makes me gag about all of this is when people put their sale threads up with the following statements like "my tastes have changed over time" or "i completely forgot i had this on preorder, silly me". Just post your sale threads without the obnoxious bull crap and carry on. On the microscopic chance that any of those statements are actually true i still dont want to hear it anyway. Thanks!
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lol ...:D
 
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