there is a green flipping frenzy going on

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3f8 said:
Who defines intrinsic value? Try to by a da Vinci original. I don't think it's intrinsic value has gone up. It's not even NIB. The price has sure gone up! All I see here is shorter time window on a different piece of work.
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Intrinsic value is the cost of materials and labor and other overhead expenses that the manufacturer incurs. The price at which the manufacturer sells an item is pretty much a good indicator of intrinsic value plus markup. If the selling price is less than the expenses incurred, the manufacturer will soon go bankrupt.

Again, this is pretty much my opinion. If you think that intrinsic value is 100 percent of what the manufacturer is selling an item for, that's yours too. ;)
 
My point was that if you disregard opinion, and instead appeal to reason and evidence, we SHOULD come to an agreement. That is of course assuming that both parties value logic over emotion or opinion.
 
The-Stig said:
My point was that if you disregard opinion, and instead appeal to reason and evidence, we SHOULD come to an agreement. That is of course assuming that both parties value logic over emotion or opinion.
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And your opinion that your arguments are reasonable and backed with evidence are just that too. ;)

Aren't you using emotion when you use "capitalism" to defend secondary market practices?

But it seems you really want to engage. ;)

You are also starting to get personal. :D
 
I haven't even stated an argument yet, like I said, BF doesn't take kindly to that sort of thing.
 
The-Stig said:
Explain how the knife maker is suffering from people flipping knives? Also, explain how if the knife maker inflated prices, that the flippers wouldn't simply do the same? We would be in the same position, but with higher prices. Supply and demand would still be the same, but the prices would be higher.
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Fabulous. All the more for the knifemaker to donate to charity. :)
 
If people are gonna sell these things like they are fine, I just wish people were honest that they bought them with the intention of making a profit instead of saying oh im selling it cause of this or that and making excuses, it doesn't make you look any better. Be honest you got the knife to make a profit, you'll still sell the darn thing.
 
I would of loved to have kept mine, but I have a sick dog (still) and vet bills are getting higher and higher , I made a little profit, so what the buyer is happy and my pup gets to fight off parvo another day.
 
If u notice also I'm selling mostly all my knives, I'm keeping 1 or 2 I don't care about knives right now only my dog I'll sell every materialistic thing I have to save my pups life...I can replace knives.
 
Franz_N said:
If people are gonna sell these things like they are fine, I just wish people were honest that they bought them with the intention of making a profit instead of saying oh im selling it cause of this or that and making excuses, it doesn't make you look any better. Be honest you got the knife to make a profit, you'll still sell the darn thing.
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That may matter to some people, but not to me. Why the previous purchaser bought the knife is not only the least of my concerns, it's really none of my business.
 
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The-Stig said:
Self fulfilling prophecy.
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Wasn't a propecy. Just a promise. :)

I told you right at the start that I wouldn't accept any arguments you made. You tried your best to engage. You're still trying.

Here's a prediction though. You'll soon get personal. :D
 
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I don't see any reason to get personal on this list. The people that don't get to have the knife at reasonable prices because the flippers buy them are the people that don't like flippers and will complain about it. The people that bought them and then decided to sell them at tremendous profit are obviously going to think flipping is OK. Neither side will change the other side's minds, although at some time somewhere the tables will change on the flippers and they will have to pay the price. Flipping is a part of free enterprise and not illegal but we don't have to like it any more than we have to like paying $5+ for a gallon of gasoline, or these days $50 for a box of 9mm cartridges. I'm sure if one of us was complaining about standing in line in the grocery store and someone cut in line in front of us, somebody would say it is not illegal and defend their right to cut in line. We can express our opinions but keep it civil on this open forum.

I think Spyderco should make more of the limited editions, I think they should make more of the production models. I think production shortages will affect their future and I've said so in other threads, but I don't set policy for the company. What's wrong with making production models with special steels, different colors of G10, they could have a custom shop where you could order whatever you wanted and pay extra for it.

Someone on the BST forum was offering both of their PM2's for sale. I started to post that I would take them, and give them what they paid for the knifes plus the cost of shipping plus $50 profit. If they turned that down then it would be obvious that they were after high profits. But I'm not going to provoke something like this directly on the forums so I won't do that. I've bought items for my hobbies, put them in my collection and used them, and was happy to sell them later and make maybe $5 after paying shipping costs and paypal costs. I work hard at my job to make a living, I don't have to almost rob my fellow hobbiests to pay my rent and I couldn't sleep at night if I did.
 
I wonder what the $300 flip price does to Sal and Eric in terms of getting them thinking about the price point for their knives?

They are bound to consider the prospect that they could be selling certain models for an awful lot more? It's only logical to do so.

The intrinsic value of the Sprint Run knives may well see the factory cost of Sprint runs go up .... or the price from Knife Works and other Sprint run dealers?

Unlike the guys speculating on a free knife because they can sell one and have one for free ... these guys are making a living at what they do and the prospect of a better living has to be attractive. Even if it simply cuts down on the days you need to work and stay at the same income ...

Or, on a better note for the wider customer base , it could mean that these steel combinations in the desired model become factory offerings. That would be cool :thumbup:
 
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