This Ain't a Box of Grandma's Cookies!

Should the shipper pay for lost uninsured Busse goodies?

  • Yes shipper is responsible and should pay

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  • No the receiver is $H!T OUTA LUCK

    Votes: 0 0.0%
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Barbarossa said:
We had a trade in which I sent two knives to him before he sent his to me due to his traveling which I did not have a problem with as I dealt with him before. The point I am making is I sent all of my packages to him FULLY INSURED with signature confirmation which I paid for and I expect nothing less than the same whether it is discussed or not, especially if he received two of my packages insured before he sent his. Due me the courtesy I give to you, PERIOD!
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With these additional facts, I'd be so pi$$ed if I were you and I do believe you deserve your knives back. WTF was he thinking? My vote up top should be stricken.
 
I always check to make sure the description on the listing says that insurance is included, or I specify that in the event of a trade. Whenever a sale is made it is the buyers responsibility to get the money in the hands of the seller. It is the sellers responsibility to get the item sold in the hands of the buyer. However each party chooses to do that is up to them and should be verified by the other party. If one or the other does not happen then the transaction is not complete and a refund should be issued.

I honestly cannot understand anybody who would not insure a valuable, and at times irreplaceable knife, just to save a few bucks.:confused:
 
I would say that if this were a sale it might be different, but trades are totally different animals and left to interpretation by the indiviual. In this case, IMO, if you sent your two blades first and they were insured, then the other party should have sent the knives for you in the same manor to Cover his own arss. IMO he just lost his two knives... not yours. You didnt receive them so he needs to send your knives back (INSURED THIS TIME) to you. He would have had to do this if you hadnt liked the two knives in question that were supposedly shipped, but definitetly has too since you never received them:thumbup:



As I remember so many here say before.....A deal is not completed unless both parties are happy and satisfied. You are not happy and I doubt you are satisfied.

THe other guy is on the hook as far as I am concerned in this trade whether insurance was discussed or not. Period
 
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Given that you sent your two knives to him insured, and he knew that prior to his shipment to you, he should have done the same.
 
Once I was looking to mail order something. The store in question wanted me to pay extra for shipping insurance.

I called the Washington State Attorney General’s office for advice. They told me, “When an offer to sell something is accepted, it becomes a contract. The definition of a contract is, ‘A payment made for goods or services received.’ If you pay them money and the goods are not received, the contract is not fulfilled and the seller is liable.”
 
Raymond1000 said:
Once I was looking to mail order something. The store in question wanted me to pay extra for shipping insurance.

I called the Washington State Attorney General’s office for advice. They told me, “When an offer to sell something is accepted, it becomes a contract. The definition of a contract is, ‘A payment made for goods or services received.’ If you pay them money and the goods are not received, the contract is not fulfilled and the seller is liable.”
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It's good to have some legal standing. I can imagine how unhappy somebody would be if they gave me money for a home and I never gave them a home. I think I would be in a world of hurt.:)
 
I am not sure if it had been a sale if it would be different. If you had not received payment.... you never would have shipped and If he couldnt prove you received the money he would have lost that arguement too.:rolleyes::grumpy:
 
If the guy is on vacation, the package may be at his post office.
I had a box returned for .32 extra postage due last week.
 
As a buyer, if you don't specify and pay for insurance, then you take YOUR chances. I usually ship insured just so I can't be blamed for non shipment.
 
Well I haven't gotten into knife trading just yet but I do buy/sell a lot of computer gear and personally, whenever I sell something, I always post it as the price I want for the item + shipping. The buyer pays shipping so he can have it shipped wherever he wants, through whatever company he wants and with whatever extra services he wants... If the buyer chooses a cheap, non-trackable method, I always retain the receipts as proof of shipment just in case of a dispute.

As a buyer, I personally make a point to ask the shipping method that will be used for items listed with a flat (shipping included) price. If it doesn't suit me, I try to negotiate for a method to my liking... However, I live in a neighborhood with a lot of paranoid, elderly people so the chances of anything getting lifted off my porch is very unlikely.

Assessing your situation from an objective and legally-minded stance: Between yourself and the other party, you are the only one who knows your neighborhood and the only one who can assess whether or not your situation merits extra services such as delivery confirmation, insurance or a required signature. If you didn't communicate these needs or inquire about the shipping method, the other party has no obligations to do anything past send the item to you. The only way he would be at fault is if he has no proof of shipment (i.e a confirmation number or receipt).

Just because you made a point to add extra services, it does not mean he was obligated to do so as well unless that was communicated and agreed upon.
 
Insurance is cheap in the scheme of things.

I always include shipping and insurance in my pricing. Better safe than sorry!
 
killa_concept said:
Just because you made a point to add extra services, it does not mean he was obligated to do so as well unless that was communicated and agreed upon.
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Only Beginners have the liability to do that mistake, becouce I point my extra services already!
 
demoteamone said:
Only Beginners have the liability to do that mistake, becouce I point my extra services already!
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...what?

Am I the only one who couldn't extrapolate what this guy is trying to say? Could you please reconstruct that sentence so that it - you know - makes sense? :confused:
 
killa_concept said:
...what?

Am I the only one who couldn't extrapolate what this guy is trying to say? Could you please reconstruct that sentence so that it - you know - makes sense? :confused:
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If I pay extra money for send the pack off....I have none obligated to explain you shxx. Is the sender responsibility if something goes wrong.
 
The good Mod Esav is very knowledgeable about these things... maybe he will chime in and offer his advice.

My thinking is this. Insurance protects the SENDER... not the BUYER. The buyer cannot file an insurance claim and doesn't get paid if the item is lost... They Sender gets paid the insurance.

If you are SENDING a package, you are very foolish not to spend a couple of $$$$ to insure the package. If it gets lost... I expect the SENDER to reimburse my funds whether took care to insure it or not. That is the bottom line!
 
kdstrick said:
The good Mod Esav is very knowledgeable about these things... maybe he will chime in and offer his advice.

My thinking is this. Insurance protects the SENDER... not the BUYER. The buyer cannot file an insurance claim and doesn't get paid if the item is lost... They Sender gets paid the insurance.

If you are SENDING a package, you are very foolish not to spend a couple of $$$$ to insure the package. If it gets lost... I expect the SENDER to reimburse my funds whether took care to insure it or not. That is the bottom line!
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Thank you it could not have been said better. Quite frankly I am surprised at the people who do not share this opinion.
 
I think the shipping method should be agreed upon before shipping. If it is agreed to ship without confirmation then it's at the word of the receiver. The shipper can produce proof of shipment, but the receiver can't prove it never arrived. In that case it's on the receiver.
 
Of course that's why I vet all deals. If anything does not seem solid to me, I'll wait for the next offer. Never been burned once.
 
kdstrick said:
The good Mod Esav is very knowledgeable about these things... maybe he will chime in and offer his advice.

My thinking is this. Insurance protects the SENDER... not the BUYER. The buyer cannot file an insurance claim and doesn't get paid if the item is lost... They Sender gets paid the insurance.

If you are SENDING a package, you are very foolish not to spend a couple of $$$$ to insure the package. If it gets lost... I expect the SENDER to reimburse my funds whether took care to insure it or not. That is the bottom line!
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+1 good job and well said. Everyone should make a note of this for future sales and dealings. :thumbup::thumbup:
 
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