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... Well I can say for certain that I have never pulled out a knife to sharpen a pencil in a public school over here in the states. I guess its just something I've never seen before.
 
Reminds me of higonokami

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Tripwire895 said:
... Well I can say for certain that I have never pulled out a knife to sharpen a pencil in a public school over here in the states. I guess its just something I've never seen before.
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believe me , every single child no matter being a boy or a girl has got such a little knife in his/her pencil box when I was a primary scholar 20 years ago :)
 
waterbeef said:
believe me , every single child no matter being a boy or a girl has got such a little knife in his/her pencil box when I was a primary scholar 20 years ago :)
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What are those little knives called? Can't find them on Google.
 
That's why I feel it amusing when I saw a Higonokami knife made in japan for the first time ^_^

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waterbeef said:
fine , plz allow me to show you some chinese "Douk-douk" , which were my favourite knives in my childhood.
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Do I see a hollow rivet as pivot ? I zoomed in on the image, it's not easy to see because it's a bit rough grained, but it looks like that. If it is, pencil sharpener for kids, indeed. The simplicity is pleasing but don't call that a "Douk-douk". A douk maybe small, simple and affordable but it's a real knife, sharp as hell and solid as a rock. Disappointed.
 
The higonokami's thumb lock can hardly be considered as an efficient lock. It's far from being a true lever lock (or Piemont lock). It's actually the only feature I dislike about this very nice little knife. The blade's shape is simple and elegant, made of forged steel, the folded handle is brass and the pivot is a solid rivet peened over washers. If they had a robust slip joint spring, I would be sold.
 
The Higo no kami is a friction folder. Friction holds it open. You use it to cut stuff, then you close it. The thumb tab is primarily a blade stop, as a "lock" is a secondary function. If it had springs, the essence of the knife would be completely changed.
 
Goosey said:
This seems to be a Kevin John, it says "TITANIUM", no Hinderer name on it:

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It's still a total copy, they haven't stolen Hinderer's name, but they've stolen everything else.

It's worse than the Chinese car copies, and those are totally unethical.

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But I think people are a little biased to give china hell for this. Americans do the same thing everyday. Blackjack knives for instance make a living off of replicating Randall knives. Many makers make loveless replicas. Countless production companies take each others non patented ideas every day but its only china that gets a 20 page thread complaining about it. And yes there is no doubt that the knife is a hinderer replica. But like I said I still give credit where credit is due and they didnt use company logos in an attempt to try and deceive. IMHO its the fine line between replica and counterfeit. This happens in almost any tangible good available for purchase. Smart phones made to look and operate like an Iphone. Guitars made to look like older desirable models. Purses made to look like brand names. It happens EVERYWHERE. Im not saying its right. Im just saying we tend to single out china for what happens everywhere for everything by way more people than just china. Including americans.
 
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Planterz said:
And what is a "wild boar"? AFAIK, Rick Hinderer doesn't make a knife called the Wild Boar. And AFAIK, Carpenter doesn't make a steel designated CPS - IHP.
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ok you guys arent getting it. I really thought it was a lot simpler than this but apparently not.

There are a few different chinese makers that make replicas and counterfeits. One of these companies is WILD BOAR. This is not the name of a particular knife but the brand name designated by the chinese maker for a certain line of knives. Wild boar knives are the ones that use the logos and names of makers. Kevin John/Triumph precision is a different brand made in china that is reputed to have a little better quality than the wild boar knives and they do NOT use other makers logos. The knife in the picture above is a counterfeit XM-18 made by wild boar of china. It is not a K. John, Kevin john, kevin, or triumph precision knife. Think microtech vs Zero tolerance. Two different makers making the same product with slightly different build quality and namesake. Again, I repeat. Kevin john knives say kevin john on them. If you find a knife being sold or represented as a Kevin john knife but does not have the kevin john logo then the person selling it or representing it is either mistaken or they are trying to sell the knife as a K. John because they are the more desirable of the two brands. And obviously most people dont know the difference and they are banking on it. So please dont people find me a picture of a knife with Kevin john, Triumph precision or K.John on the blade along with an unauthorized makers mark. Happy hunting.
 
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I love the Hinogokami nonetheless, for what it is. And I love my friction folders with some lock, whatever it is, but efficient it must be.
 
PURPLEDC said:
your late to the party. Look about 3 or 4 pages back. And its not really a camp W-23 but a prototype predating it. Yes the chinese knife is a replica but it isnt a counterfeit as it doesnt use Mikkels logos. Doesnt make it right but it also isnt crap just because its a replica.
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Yeah, I didn't read the whole thread, but what I had skimmed, I didn't see that anyone posted it. I recognized immediately from the scale texture looked like Mikkel's work. Moral and ethical principles aside, I'm not saying the knife couldn't be good quality. There is a lot of high quality stuff made in China, Taiwain, Turkey, etc... even stuff made by well known name brand companies. I'm not getting into the discussion about what's ok to copy and what's not ok to copy...what make's what a counterfeit vs a copy vs a tribute. I buy what I want and usually keep to myself regarding these situations because everyone has different opinions. I was just pointing out it's a Mikkel Willumsen design in case that was still being disputed.
 
motts said:
Yeah, I didn't read the whole thread, but what I had skimmed, I didn't see that anyone posted it. I recognized immediately from the scale texture looked like Mikkel's work. Moral and ethical principles aside, I'm not saying the knife couldn't be good quality. There is a lot of high quality stuff made in China, Taiwain, Turkey, etc... even stuff made by well known name brand companies. I'm not getting into the discussion about what's ok to copy and what's not ok to copy...what make's what a counterfeit vs a copy vs a tribute. I buy what I want and usually keep to myself regarding these situations because everyone has different opinions. I was just pointing out it's a Mikkel Willumsen design in case that was still being disputed.
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Yeah first time I saw that knife ( the chinese one) I though Mikkel but couldnt find a picture of it. Now some people apparently think that the Mikkel Wilumsen you posted could be a fake that someone put mikkels logo on. I was able to spot some differences. The only thing that has me thinking its not genuine is the fact I cant find more examples of that configuration. But the site did say its a one off so I have no idea.
 
Apparently they have a California contact...

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