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As a mechanic, I can only say : very nicely machined, clean, spot on, great job. Somebody said : "over engineered"... I do agree. Is all the fuss worth it ? Not in my book. My opinion, as a knife lover, is : "too much stuff" and not enough "taste". There's something actually appealing in a knife (very special to everybody, I know..) that I don't see in the models you display, all designing and machining skills set apart. Just my opinion, but you somehow asked for it, didn't you ?
 
herisson said:
As a mechanic, I can only say : very nicely machined, clean, spot on, great job. Somebody said : "over engineered"... I do agree. Is all the fuss worth it ? Not in my book. My opinion, as a knife lover, is : "too much stuff" and not enough "taste". There's something actually appealing in a knife (very special to everybody, I know..) that I don't see in the models you display, all designing and machining skills set apart. Just my opinion, but you somehow asked for it, didn't you ?
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I don't find much "something actually appealing" in an AIRBUS while Mr.XI gave an order of 60 :)

So would you tell me what is "something actually appealing" in an opinel?
 
waterbeef said:
I don't find much "something actually appealing" in an AIRBUS while Mr.XI gave an order of 60 :)

So would you tell me what is "something actually appealing" in an opinel?
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The blade has a really nice shape (aesthetics and function perfectly married). It's what draws me to this knife (just my taste) although I don't like the handle. Now, it's beechwood, very easy to modify/customize (the con turns out to be a pro). The lock is as low technology as possible but darn effective. The knife is lightweight, cuts like hell, is easy to sharpen and holds a lifetime if you don't use it as a screwdriver or prybar. And costs 20 $. That's facts, not just me. If I add and ponder look, cost, efficiency and ease of use, this is an "actually appealing" knife. In this price range, I also love the "Douk-douk" for the same reasons. Mr. Opinel and Mr. Cognet have been actually creative when designing these little, humble knives. Creative and clearsighted, obviously, because both manufactures and both models are still alive and kicking. These little knives hit home with a lot of people, it seems. As for the Airbus, I imagine the "appeal" was not in the shape...
 
"KEVIN" is the designate on the Chinese knockoff site for the guy that does all the Strider/Hinderer knockoffs out of upgraded materials. "TANK" is another one...it's good to know your enemies. I see their wares pop up here and there, lots of unscrupulous people out there...keep your guard up. As for this knife in particular, it looks like another overdone tecnotakticklish piece of flash. ymmv.
 
Pretty sure this one is a copy of a collab knife made by willumsen and another maker. Either way, They produce some decent stuff.... Not the same as CRK and Hinderer.

I have seen too many threads and too many posts saying things such as: "This copy is completely illegal, it is horrible, these people are terrible!!!" Let me put it this way, Kevin John actually puts Titanium on their version of the XM18, further its the Wild Boar brand that tries to sell it as a knock off. Let me ask you this, anyone that offers you a "Hinderer" at less than 300 is selling you a knock off 9 times out of 10!!!

If you can not tell the difference between the two then buy it from a reputable dealer!!!!!! Someone based in the US!

Jaytaylor said:
Kevin isn't a knife maker, its a bogus brand to sell fake goods, this item is from the same factory as fake branded CRK and Hinderer knives.

Weather this knife is a copy or not we will find out soon, I high doubt it is original at all and the fact that buying this junk funds the counterfeit industry.

This OP has been spamming the forum with ripped off designs and fake crap.
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That Granite was posted on Jerzee Devil almost two years ago and I have been trying to purchase on ever since. How the hell do I buy one? I was given contact information, but the contact was brief and I was never given any kind of invoice. I am still interested in purchasing a Granite.
 
opgenorf said:
Pretty sure this one is a copy of a collab knife made by willumsen and another maker. Either way, They produce some decent stuff.... Not the same as CRK and Hinderer.

I have seen too many threads and too many posts saying things such as: "This copy is completely illegal, it is horrible, these people are terrible!!!" Let me put it this way, Kevin John actually puts Titanium on their version of the XM18, further its the Wild Boar brand that tries to sell it as a knock off.
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Ok, I suggest you utilize google for a search of Kevin John, you fill find the top hits to be a well known counterfeit site, scroll down the page and check out the photos.

Fake Hinderer XM's with HINDERER clearly stamped in,
Fake Sebenzas, Ti-locks and Zaanns, all with fake CRK logo,
Fake Striders, fixed and folding and bearing STRIDER branding and some with TAD gear branding,
Fake SOGS with SOG branding,
Fake Bokers with Boker branding,
Fake Rocksteads with fake branding and country of origin,

The list go's on and on and branded and counterfeit.

Check out the specs - All under the brand Kevin John (fictitious cover for fake wares)


W.R.T. Hinderer, even the copies with whatever non-Hinderer logo still violate the LBS license.
 
Jaytaylor said:
Ok, I suggest you utilize google for a search of Kevin John, you fill find the top hits to be a well known counterfeit site, scroll down the page and check out the photos.

Fake Hinderer XM's with HINDERER clearly stamped in,
Fake Sebenzas, Ti-locks and Zaanns, all with fake CRK logo,
Fake Striders, fixed and folding and bearing STRIDER branding and some with TAD gear branding,
Fake SOGS with SOG branding,
Fake Bokers with Boker branding,
Fake Rocksteads with fake branding and country of origin,

The list go's on and on and branded and counterfeit.

Check out the specs - All under the brand Kevin John (fictitious cover for fake wares)


W.R.T. Hinderer, even the copies with whatever non-Hinderer logo still violate the LBS license.
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Ok, I guess you missed it when I said that Kevin John knives that a True Kevin john knives dont have the logos. The hinderers say Titanium on them. If you see a genuine Kevin John knife with another makers logo on it its probably a wild boar that is being sold as a K. John because Kevin John knives are starting to gain some traction. So its kinda a matter of them using again another makers name to sell a product. But it is again, the wild boar knives that have makers marks and logos. It shouldnt be hard to believe that other manufacturers in china would use someone elses name to sell a product. So again, true K.john knives say K. John, Kevin john and or triumph precision on them. Their at leas 10 different sellers on the site you speak of using the kevin john name in their store name. But that is to gain hits. Most are simply resellers.


Would you ever buy a knife with a bearing pivot if it doesnt say IKBS on the side? The reason I ask is many consider IKBS to be the defining knife with a licensed system but many people change the design slightly or dont even change it at all and simply call it something else. MANY makers use the "hinderer Lock bar stabilizer" or a variation of it and give no credit. the fact is if it prevents overtravel of the lock by fashioning a disk or plate to the knife its a LBS whether you put it at the pivot or halfway down the knife. RARELY if ever do I see makers giving hinderer credit. And on Ricks site he makes no mention of it being a trademarked feature.
 
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RARELY if ever do I see makers giving hinderer credit. And on Ricks site he makes no mention of it being a trademarked feature.
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This seems to be a Kevin John, it says "TITANIUM", no Hinderer name on it:

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It's still a total copy, they haven't stolen Hinderer's name, but they've stolen everything else.

It's worse than the Chinese car copies, and those are totally unethical.

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herisson said:
If I add and ponder look, cost, efficiency and ease of use, this is an "actually appealing" knife.In this price range, I also love the "Douk-douk" for the same reasons.
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fine , plz allow me to show you some chinese "Douk-douk" , which were my favourite knives in my childhood.
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waterbeef said:
So would you tell me what is "something actually appealing" in an opinel?
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Plenty. And it has been loved for over 120 years. Original design and all... May not be appealing to your people because it is already priced cheap so your people couldn't profit from it. Maybe you should copy one and use and carry it. See for yourself why it's in museums and exhibits as one of the top 100 designs in the world.

Just talk about your knives and leave Opinel alone. Coming over here peddling your wares but question a bonafide well respected piece :rolleyes:
 
waterbeef said:
That is a wild boar.
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And what is a "wild boar"? AFAIK, Rick Hinderer doesn't make a knife called the Wild Boar. And AFAIK, Carpenter doesn't make a steel designated CPS - IHP.
 
Those Carson folders are beautiful. :thumbup:

edit: Wild Boar is another Chinese brand. They usually have one or two models (not direct copies of anything I've seen) at a certain site that sells Chinese goods.
 
Although started rather inauspiciously, this thread got a lot more interesting around the fifth page. That Carson branded knife has a number of interesting features. I think that Waterbeef is learning rapidly how to put up pics and explanations that American knife enthusiasts (who are the main demographic here on BF) will pause to consider and not dismiss out of hand, and this strikes me as a good thing.

I agree with Wouter and others who opine that the key to greater prosperity for Chinese makers is a combination of high quality, original design, and constructive dialog with end line users. I applaud Waterbeef for venturing into pretty hostile waters to make his case.

We have to remember that the culture of slavish imitation is not unique to China. It has characterized many countries over the past 200 years as they struggle to develop their manufacturing base and forge a distinguishing style of their own. In the mid to late 1900's it was Taiwan, Korea, and Japan, and in the 1800's it was the United States of America. All of these countries began by making cheap copies of manufactures from other nations then on top of their game, and they all developed into first tier producers of quality goods over time.

China is ascending now, that much should be obvious. The people of that land will benefit by the advances mentioned above, and this will manifest first as material prosperity, then later as greater freedom and human dignity. Ultimately this will lift all nations.
 
Tripwire895 said:
Could you give us more info on these? I really like their simplicity.
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You really shocked me ,dude

These are for children to sharpen their pencils and can be found in any stationery shop in china.
But nowadays children usually use a pencil sharpener with a swinging arm rather than such a simple little knife.
These colorful little pencil knives are childhood memories for people of my age (about 30) in china.
 
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