THIS is the anything goes, keep it clean, blow off steam, W&SS chat.

so I can stop oggling the Camillus BK5's on my Ebay quick search? awesome... I'll be definately picking one of those up. Don't need a BRAT, my BK11 fits me just fine.

Yep, you can stop ogling the stuff on E-bay.:D The new BK-5 should be available soon (think Blade show or possibly before — not quite sure yet). I definitely want one, that's for sure.

As far as the Brat goes, I want one of those, too, just because.
 
Knives are one thing we don't NEED more than one or two. However, we all WANT to own more of them. I know I do. ;)
 
no joke man.....well said....

Now send me that Scout Rifle for disposal. I know you dont want it. ;);)

I'm debating how far I want to go with it, but I'm looking at scouting up one of my 91/30s

You can get a synthetic sporter stock, rear sight base scope mount, and a LER scope for about $110 all up. (not a $300 scope, but go figure). I'll do my own barrel cutting and crowning, take it to about 21 inches.

I'm debating the bolt. There's a guy who has a bent bolt kit and a rear ring that mounts on the hammer to make the safety easy to use. And another guy who will do a full fitting of those parts and polish/rework job on the whole bolt.

Total for the whole conversion is a little under $200 if you shop around enough. Could go as high as $250-$300 (especially if you hav ea specific scope you want).

Starting with a good barrel it seems like it's a worthwhile project. Ammo is fairly inexpensive considering the power of the round, going anywhere from $90-$120 for 400 round sardine cans to top quality Prvi Partixan at $16 a box of 20. I'm saving brass and do plan to start loading. Working up a medium power load for the 21 inch barrel will be fun.

And it's a powerful weapon. I've talked to immigrant Russians who say it's the "polar bear gun" of choice.


And I'm totally in agreement about the AR15. I happen to like the sks ergos better than the AK, and for the money you spend on a tweaked ar15 you can have 3 really well tunes SKS rifles.
 
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That would be neat Christof. Whats involved with cutting down the barrel? You use a pipe cutter?

Yeah im a nut for a nice SKS...I wish they were as cheap as they used to be....
 
fresh hacksaw blade is what I usually use. then file and sand and recrown. I light pass with a pipecutter is actually a nice way to scribe your finish line. crowning just requires something hard, domed, and able to be chucked into a drill or lathe- a dome headed bolt will work. then some nice abrasive compound, not too fast.

Do plug the barrel first :)

I remember $69.99 SKS rifles. I'd be happy to grab one in good shape for $125 now
 
Those hack jobs can turn out OK but if you're looking for a world class scout rifle (I am a Scout setup addict) check out the Ruger Target Grey Frontier. I have one and my only complaint is the lack of iron sights. I use a Burris scout scope which does a fine job, although target turrets would be a slick addition. J Williams, what scout rifle do you have? 7.62x54R is plenty powerful but don't cut the barrel too short. The best scout rifles are the ones chambered in calibers that can achieve full velocity out of a shorter barrel, and 7.62x54R is less than ideal as far as that goes.
 
well-

1: I do not have the money, and probably won't ever have the money, to buy a 4 figure scout rifle. The concept isn't important enough to me, for a couple reasons. I'll explain in a bit.

2: I'm actually less than religious about the Scout Rifle as an archetype. (for example, caliber choices, barrel lengths, and optics).

3: It's not necessarily a hack job. The synth stock is something I'll try, but I have no problem refinishing and tuning the wood stock if it ends up better. But I expect it will work. The barrel shortening isn't going to be anything not done by the russians when modifying their own rifles! I won't hack, I can crown a match barrel :D

(still 3) : IF I do the bolt- I have no problems operating the safety with my right thumb only to disengage- it will be professionally done. The one area I've seen more hacking and bubba-smithing on these rifles is here. I actually like the straight bolt, and only would need to change if doing a traditional scope.

(last part of 3) : the scope mount is the only possible hack level area. And I'm willing to give it a shot and see how the concept and execution works before milling myself a steel weaver base to fit on the rear sight mount.


I think this platform is really good- it's an easy round to custom load for (which partially alleviates the barrel length problem you mentioned), the rifle is solid and bombproof. And it's cheap- which I actually think matter a lot, here.

I'm 50/50 on the LER scope versus a traditional scope. Truthfully, I'd skip the scope idea entirely for my normal shooting expectations- inside 250 yards- if I had a decent peep sight. DOesn't have to be super target, I'd take a basic m14 model.

I don't really see barrel length as a huge issue the way some people do in the scout world. I actually think 22-24 inches is fine, and that if you really want an 18" carbine, you should get a caliber that really makes that sing, like a 38-40 or a 44mag) I'll probably start with 24 inches and see if I like it, with 21 as the minimum.

Now, all this comes from my different views on range and utility. Where I'm moving to, for the first time, I'm going to be looking at the possibility of 100 yard varmint shots in my yard. And 250 yards isn't that hard out in the countryside in nevada. I'm used to brush, where a 75 yard shot requires a major setup and some luck. 50 yards is more right. And, really, for a compact longarm that I want to hike around the dense bush with, where my max range is almost certainly under 100 yards- I want a shotgun.
 
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Just got back from Funeral for Grandma. Like this sticky though.
 
Awe sorry Joe, thankfully I still have both of mine. The scout scope is pretty awesome, Christof. It alows you to combine the point-and-shoot feel of a red dot scope with the range and precision of a long range scope. For backpacking, woods hunting etc. It's simply ideal. I'd recommend trying a rifle with a scout setup, it is really slick.
 
no joke man.....well said....

Now send me that Scout Rifle for disposal. I know you dont want it. ;);)

Ha! From my cold dead hands. :D

This AR is gonna bury me I think, gonna be a 16" mid length Bravo Company upper with yankee hill 12" rails, Magpul furniture & backup irons, a new bravo bolt and carrier, and an aimpoint (which costs more than my truck I think). Phew. Selling a Saiga .308 and my current 18" upper to fund half of it.

Koyote: I had a little bubba'd Mosin 38 (like an M44 without the bayonet) that I recrowned and put a scout scope on, it was friggin great. I also had the turned down bolt and ended up liking it a lot more than I thought I would! Was a very sweet little shooter. I kept the original stock, but if the aftermarket feels better than that's all that counts. If you feel bad messing up a piece of history (understandable) hunt around gunshops and pawn shops until you find one that's already been bubba'd.
 
Koyote: I had a little bubba'd Mosin 38 (like an M44 without the bayonet) that I recrowned and put a scout scope on, it was friggin great. I also had the turned down bolt and ended up liking it a lot more than I thought I would! Was a very sweet little shooter. I kept the original stock, but if the aftermarket feels better than that's all that counts. If you feel bad messing up a piece of history (understandable) hunt around gunshops and pawn shops until you find one that's already been bubba'd.

I have an all matching 1942 tula that's just cherry as these things go. That one stays stock. The one I'm realyl wnating to work on isn't matching numbers and while the action and barrel are not beat up, the stock isn't what I'd call clean.

I'm really debating the bolt mods. I will try a friend's ATI synth stock out first, then decide is I might just trim down and refit/finish the existing stock
 
When I did it, I welded on a longer bent bolt handle. I didn't care for the 'kits' look. might have been the exposed screw that turned me off.

But it's liberating to have one that's already less than perfect to play with!
 
The guy I'm thinking of using does it profesionally-

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Ha! That's a helluva a lot nicer than the job I did, that's some smooth work. Whatever you do, please do show pics of how it turns out. :thumbup:
 
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