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Cliff,

Wake up,


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Not to be a smart a$$ or anything. I doubt Spyderco is any different than you or I when it comes to those screws you are showing cracks in. Just like me I'm sure Spyderco buys them and the steel and other parts they use for making knives from a third party supplier in bulk. Perhaps they are all made in a foreign plant in China, Taiwan or Japan for all we really know.

My point is that those are most likely not made by Spyderco, thye are simply used by them in the manufacturing of their knives. There is a high probability that those are bought and you can't hold Spyderco responsible for a bad part now and then. The same thing has happened to me with some of the pivot pins I've bought. Every now and then some of them don't even screw down. Same with the thumb studs I've bought and the screws too. When you buy them in bulk one or more can be bad from time to time. It happens with anything mass produced.

This is a manufacturing problem. You are right there. But I seriously doubt that Spyderco makes or manufactures those parts of their knives anymore than I do on my hand mades. My guess is they contract out to have them made and chances are they are being made for other knife companies as well as Spyderco.
 
My point is that Sebenza would never have such a problem and that is why it is ax expensive as it is.

Tell cliff that the sebe is perfect by design and by finish.

No one would send him a free sebe to review.
 
This is personal attac again. It looks like one of this provokative thread used by spammers.

Please ignore - this kind of problem is moderators bussiness and we should avoid to participate, because this is what this people like us to do. Nobody should post here is it pro or cons Cliff Stamp! It is nobodys bussiness to discuss one or other person! This is just wrong. Lets talk about knives and moderators - please keep this forum clean.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Ok, maybe I am a spammer, but maybe Cliff is a worse spammer that is accepted by everyone.

Please ask yourself. Is it healthy what Cliff is doing? Is what I am doing a natural reaction to it or not?
 
Ouch!! Those are not pictures Spyderco should be proud of.

I think Cliff was focusing on the blade performance and not the screws.

Cliff is as honest a guy as you will find, and I am sure he will be as much dismayed as any of us about the softness of those screws.

Sebenza4ever, you and Cliff make a fantastic pair. Cliff covers basic performance and you examine the details. We Bladeforum members couldn't be more lucky to have both of you, covering every angle!
 
Even if the screws are made by someone else, I dont care, the knife comes out of the spyderco factory.A sebe would never look like that. EVER

Lets say the screws are made by someone else. What about the blade
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This is why a Spydercois a factory knif and always will be.
This is why a SEBE is at least 200 $ more that a spyderco.


You will only know when you get a sebe.

Respect
Realize
end of story
 
Cliff probably tests and reviews more knives than anyone else in this forum.
I respect him and his work because I have learned alot about steels, blades, and their properties.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions and he has his.

I think we all have brains enough to decide for ourselves what we want and what we don't want without blindly making decisions based strictly on opinions.

So what's the beef? I don't understand your hostility. :confused:
 
Sebenza4ever said:
digdeep,
Dig deep
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I like sebenzas and would hope that maybe one day I might be able to get one. I don't even have a problem with your sebenza obsession - most of us have obsessions of one type or another.

Is there a reason why you wouldn't answer my question?
 
I have one Sebenza and was offered a second today in a trade which I declined. I don't use the one I have so why would I want another one?

They are fine knives so don't get me wrong. In my humble opinion they are rather ugly and a bit overpriced but Chris deserves the name recognition thing for sure. They do work well and they are made to very high standards but I could say the same thing for other brands that are $100 cheaper or more. My Spyderco Viele 2 folder was smoother than this Sebenza I have.

Since we are talking about CR knives. I don't know about other Reeve knives out there because this one is the only one I have seen personally but my lock barely engages when the knife is opened up. Granted it has not seen lots of use so it may be a 'breaking in thing'. I have always been very wary of knives like this though. I'm sure it is fine and probably made that way on purpose but I like my frame and liner locks to cover the blade just a little more than this to make me comfortable. What is the point of a thicker lock if no more of it covers the blade when opened than a normal .040 thickness liner lock?
 
I own both Spyderco and CRK. Both are great knives, at different price points. CRK has a limited selection, Spyderco has a much wider range.

This is not the place for personal attacks. As stated above, you really need to get over it.

Paul
 
For what it's worth, customers complained about the screw head, we investigated and are in the process of changing the mfg process for the screws.

The advantage of customers that bother to tell us what they don't like.

Why would you want to compare the Sebenza to the Manix? They are competely different knives. Chris and Ann make great knives, I don't think anyone contests that.

There are areas where the Sebenza is at the top of the game.

There are also areas where the Manix is at the top of the game. Certainly the Chinook 2 and Manix are among the strongest lockbacks on the market. Not an easy achievement.

The argument that; "my screw has a burr" certainly cannot erase the good that the Chinook 2 and Manix provide.

All Spyderco designs are a "work in progress". Continually refining and evolving. Chris Reeve does the same with his designs. Continually refining and evolving. The Sebbie's been around a lot of years. Chris has had many years to refine.

What's your point?

sal
 
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I can live with that.
But what would you think if I made it my mission to target every spyderco knife, Manix?
Every time, every thread?
At every chance?
Use every chance when people compare them with benchmades to prove that benchmades are better.

Use every chance when people compare them with Spydercos to prove that spydercos are better.

Wouldn’t that be too much?

Lets say I claim to be an expert.

Wouldn’t you question my motives if you finding me answering new members questions at every occasion and using them to make a 4 page thread to argue against Spyderco?
 
Sebenza4ever said:
My point is that Sebenza would never have such a problem and that is why it is ax expensive as it is.

Tell cliff that the sebe is perfect by design and by finish.
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If my Sebenza had a spyder hole or at the very least a thumb stud that was more comfortable and easier to use, then maybe it might be closer to what you call a "perfect design." ;)

Best,

Starchaser
 
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