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Sal Glesser said:
For what it's worth, customers complained about the screw head, we investigated and are in the process of changing the mfg process for the screws.

The advantage of customers that bother to tell us what they don't like.

Why would you want to compare the Sebenza to the Manix? They are competely different knives. Chris and Ann make great knives, I don't think anyone contests that.

There are areas where the Sebenza is at the top of the game.

There are also areas where the Manix is at the top of the game. Certainly the Chinook 2 and Manix are among the strongest lockbacks on the market. Not an easy achievement.

The argument that; "my screw has a burr" certainly cannot erase the good that the Chinook 2 and Manix provide.

All Spyderco designs are a "work in progress". Continually refining and evolving. Chris Reeve does the same with his designs. Continually refining and evolving. The Sebbie's been around a lot of years. Chris has had many years to refine.

What's your point?

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Sal I think this is actually based on something other than knives.
 
Iin the first review I wrote on a Military I noted the lock engagement was too insecure and I had to return it, even when I got it back, though it was improved I could still white knuckle it too easily. I am well aware it is possible to get a Spyderco with problems, some people like Brownshoe have had a run of bad luck with them. I don't think anyone would argue, even the most extreme of Spyderco fans, that the product is 100%.

Sebenza4ever said:
My point is that Sebenza would never have such a problem
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There have been NIB Sebenza's with problems. They have even suffered gross blade failures, as in cracked in half, from problems with the thumbscrew, all described on Reeve's forum.

Beyond this there are problems with possible steel issues that no manufacturer could ever hope to prevent 100%. You can do everything right and the blade still turn.

No maker, outside of those doing extensive testing on every single piece, would every claim to be 100% perfect, I doubt you would get Reeve to make such a public statement.

As for the QC of a Sebenza making it worth the price, here is a deal open to anyone :

"Send me the cost of a Sebenza for anyone of the knives I have described which have superior performance and that you don't want to take the small chance on them having QC issues which would force you to have to return the knife for repair/replacement. I will buy the knife, inspect it in detail even doing an edge holding test, resharpen it, even adjust the angle if you want, and all it will cost you is half the difference in price between the Sebenza and the knife in question. I will even include an autographed picture of a concrete block."

There, now you get a much more in detailed QC check and you still save a pile of money.

No one would send him a free sebe to review.
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A forum member sent me his Sebenza to have a look at some time ago. I know a few people with the new S30V ones and I might ask one of them for a trial run to run it against the Spyderco's with the higher HRC. I just have a pile of other work to do first, over two dozen knives with reviews in progress currently.

-Cliff
 
SAL ,

Great honour to have you here.

You make great knives.

Sorry to involve you in this argument between me and Cliff Stamp.

I have a point to get across to Cliff.

It will be over as soon as he gets my point.
 
Does it really make a difference in your life what Cliff thinks?
People come here seeking advice. By doing that they get several different views, not always in agreement with each other. I make suggestions based on my personal experience and what has worked for me. I've used knives for over 35 years now. What works for me might not work for you. You want to sing the praises of the Sebenza? Fine. Shout it from the mountain tops. You don't like another maker/manufacturer? Fine. Shout that from the mountain tops too. You got a beef with another individual? Fine. KEEP IT PRIVATE! The open forum isn't the place for an open attack. Overall it only drags down the quality of the community.

Paul
 
I'm a big fan of the Sebenza. I don't always agree with everything that Cliff writes. But sebenza4ever, you have an unhealthy obssesion with Cliff and what he is writing. In another thread I read that you don't even have a Sebenza? If that is so I don't think you are really qualified to be writing about it. Not really going off on you, even though it may sound that way, but you need to let this "thing" with Cliff die and get buried. IMO...YMMV.
 
I agree. Stop this nonsense! They are two entirely diferent knives! One person will like one and one will like the other. Who cares? Cliff just gives out information that some find interesting, and others disagree with. In the end the forum is to chat, learn, but for most of us this is just for our enjoyment. It's a hobby! So please relax. Be cool man, and let it go, Don't be a troll! :cool:
 
PWork

No it does not drag down the quality of the community.

It brings everything into the open.

We are talking about the Livelihood of people and when someone makes it their mission to assassin a business and a brand than they should be stopped.

I can make a review website and answer every post by every new member making an inquiry about Spyderco and their new flag knife ( MANIX) and start a war against Spydrco.

Like the one Cliff is waging.

All in the name of independent opinion.


Is Cliff an independent unbiased tester?

I don’t think so.
 
Sebenza4ever said:
This is why a Spydercois a factory knif and always will be.
This is why a SEBE is at least 200 $ more that a spyderco.


You will only know when you get a sebe.

Respect
Realize
end of story
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These are strange words for someone who, in response to Lil Timmy's question as to how many Sebenzas you have, said:

Sebenza4ever said:
not one,
I am collecting Spydercos at the moment hoping that they will be collectable to sell them and buy a sebe one day.
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The cumulative qualities of all of your posts that I have seen so far indicates that you are, in fact, a functional retard.
 
You claim that Cliff is unfairly promoting Spyderco? Don't make me laugh. This coming from a guy whose handle is Sebenza4ever.

Tell cliff that the sebe is perfect by design and by finish.
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Sebenza would never have such a problem
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And Cliff is the biased nut. Are you even serious? This is almost funny ;)

Apparently, however, hurling hypocritical personal attacks at Cliff is not enough! You have to smear Spyderco along with him. Quit wasting our time troll.
 
artsig1
Of course I have Sebenzas. That was a sarcastic reply to someone who asked a stupid question.

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I like Spyderco knives. I like Chris Reeves personally and I like his engineering skills and the end products he makes. I like Benchmade and many other companies too. Just because someone says something bad or good about any of them doesn't make what they say fact, whether it be a Cliff Stamp or anyone else writing about it.

You have to take everything you read here with a grain of salt. I don't think people, newbies or not, are as gullable as you might think. Most people that hang here and frequent the threads of this or any other knife forum know enough from personal experience to make an educated decision after reading any thread or review regardless of content.

At least when you read a review here you can add your two cents worth if you disagree with it. Some of the articles I've read in magazines are way off on what is said and I always wish I could state my piece on some of the so called facts presented.

Anyway, we all have common ground here in that we have a passion for cutlery. Some more than others. Lets try to tone it down some and get along as adults being able to agree to disagree from time to time instead of starting multiple threads to make a point. Live and let live man!
 
Several here have tried to reason with you. It is now all to clear that you can't/won't see that reasoning. You can disagree with someone without turning it in to an attack. Personally, I don't care what you think of Cliff, or anyone else, but this vendetta/obsession is just plain childish.
....And yes, it does diminish the quality of the community.

Paul
 
Sebenza4ever said:
STR

Cant say no to that.

Try to say that to Cliff.
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Give it a miss, really! Everyone has their opinion of Cliff and I'm certain he has his opinions of many people here. Nobody really wants to hear it. you are not doing yourself any favours, believe me, just let it go.

Personal attacks are a good method to get yourself banned, just don't do it!
 
Sab4ever – firstly I would like to say that I am happy for you that you have found your perfect knife. From all accounts, the Sab is a very fine piece of cutlery.
I am not sure if your post is taking aim at Cliff’s motives or Spyderco products, or possibly just an effort to show the forum your photographic skill ( btw – nicely shot photos ).

With regards to Cliff, if you dislike his tests or disagree with his testing methods, observations, biases etc, debate or disagree on the applicable threads rather than create an open ended inflammatory and ambiguous thread. Qualified differences of opinion always make good reading and are generally educational. If you just want to flame Cliff, start a thread in the W&C forum, it has probably been done more than once before though.

Spyderco makes many styles of knives all priced affordably to cater for a broader market. Their knives have a great following and deservedly get the following that they do. I personally own several from this maker and they are all exceptional tools that I can rely on. For my personal requirement for a folding knife a $30 - $100 Spyderco will suit my needs as well as any semi-custom or custom made folder costing many times the price. If you have had quality issues with a Spyderco knife, I am sure that if you contact them, they will repair or resolve the matter in a professional manner.
 
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Stockman said:
Sab4ever – firstly I would like to say that I am happy for you that you have found your perfect knife. From all accounts, the Sab is a very fine piece of cutlery.
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Next time you're over on my side give me a call, I'll let you play with mine. :)
 
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