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I'm not convinced that "Why Sebenza?" or "Why XYZ Brand?" is even a valid question.

Possibly if you are only ever going to buy one knife in your whole life then maybe it will be important to make sure you get the exact one that's going to do everything you want. However, most of us here probably have a whole bloody shed full of the things and can simply select whichever one is going to do the job or whichever one happens to take your fancy at that time.

Why Sebenza/Strider/Spyderco/XYZ?

Because I bloody well felt like it.

Story ends.
 
gajinoz said:
Possibly if you are only ever going to buy one knife in your whole life then maybe it will be important to make sure you get the exact one that's going to do everything you want.
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Some people are interested in performance, for them it is valid. There are of course lots of other reasons to buy knives.

-Cliff
 
Sebenza4ever,
You suggest that Mr. Stamp is on the Spyderco payroll to increase the attractiveness of Spyderco knives. You suggest he trashes Sebenzas with a possiblity of souring Mr. Reeve's livelihood.

IMHO, all of this is unfounded. Mr. Stamp reviews knives using science. He has made remarks about lacking QA, cutting ability, locks, et al. concerning both Sebenza and Spyderco. He does this with several companies' products; some of those companies much larger in size and monies when compared to Spyderco (of course, no offense implied or otherwise to Mr. Glesser).

Spyderco and Chris Reeve Knives have huge followings. Any knife has its god and bad as Mr. Glesser suggested. The final opinion of 'greatness' of a knife rests with the user. Mr. Stamp is one man. How can one man bash a company's product so much as to cause a drop in sales or, much worse, a closed company? Why would one of the most honorable men in the knife community pay someone to aggrandize their knives? (Note, I said Spyderco was a small company, they don't have money to waste or such underhanded tactics that could cost them way more in profits if discovered).

Plus, those huge followings (of either company) would examine and analyze any reported downfalls of a knife and more than likely refute them in a logical fashion.

They would not use supposition or flame against another without reasonable doubt or, most importantly, proof. This is the trend I've mostly noted on Bladeforums.

Even IF Mr. Stamp is, in some otherworld, on the Spyderco Payroll, even IF he has a vendetta against the deified Sebenza, so what. As noted before, he is just one man. His reviews can be taken with 'grain of salt' as mentioned here before. Agree, disagree, or ignore them, YOUR choice.

Apparently, from your screen name, you've found your perfect knife. Enjoy the knife, let Mr. Stamp review as he chooses, and make your own decisions as to whom to listen to or ignore.

Enjoy your knives and let it go.
 
Hateman

I will let it go.

I think it is healthy to make this person aware of his attitude tawards Sebenza.

However, Apparently everyone thinks that I am wrong so I will let it go.
 
Sebenza4ever said:
Hateman

I will let it go.

I think it is healthy to make this person aware of his attitude tawards Sebenza.

However, Apparently everyone thinks that I am wrong so I will let it go.
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Just let it go. I did a search on posts by Cliff Stamp and I don't see what you are seeing. I don't see him having an attitude towards Sebenza at all. I just see him correcting people who say Sebenzas are perfect, never have problems, they never have lemons, etc.
 
Whatever. It doesn't take a whole lot to make a halfway decent knife in this day and age of CNC machining and $50,000 car-sized knife grinding machines. In fact, I am amazed at how anyone can make a bad knife even if it is affordable. I don't own a Sebenza, but the white paper looks good on them. I am sure they are a good knife. A Rolex? No - they aren't jeweled. Most of a Rolex's cost is in the hand crafted jewelry, otherwise it is simply another finely crafted officially certified swiss chronometer, adhering to the standards of said design - like dozens of other quality made watches.
You want a Rolex knife? Try this:

knifeart_1844_13101877

A mere $6,500 and it's yours - that's in Rolex territory as far as costs and QC go.
What you have in a Sebenza is just a very BASIC model $400 Tag Heuer chronograph. A great watch, but no Rolex. ;) It escapes me how fervently some persons can be in regards to their obsessive defensive behavior when it comes to such a relatively affordable knife. I doubt anyone would claim their $400 Tag Heuer was the Rolex of watches...So..Rolax and have some tea...

Now to remain slightly on topic - Cliff is a good guy, IMO. He isn't given to fits of uncontrolled impulsive and hyper defensive raving, like some Sebenza owners that will remain nameless. He makes statements based on experience, and he's got more experience with emperical knife quality and performance than most on these or any other board I am familiar with.

To address the original post regarding the Spyderco - that's a quality control issue and not a design issue. All knives have quality control issues, even a measly $400 Sebenza. Ya want perfection? The closest you'll likely get is that Rolex Knife by the extremely talented Stephen Olszewski - the url is here:

http://www.knifeart.com/roycargoldam.html

No, I don't own one...but my truck cost more and it's not even a Mercedes!

WYK
 
WadeF said:
Just let it go. I did a search on posts by Cliff Stamp and I don't see what you are seeing.
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You need sebenza-vision, I'll translate :

"It is inferior in many regards, compared to the M2 AFCK for example, it has lower ergonomics and handle security, significantly less edge retention and blade toughness and much lower lock security. Benchmade however tends to run their edges a bit thick so you would likely have to reprofile the AFCK in order to match the NIB cutting ability of the Sebenza. Many Spyderco's would easily match or exceed the cutting ability of the Sebenza NIB and easily outperform it in the other aspects listed, at a fraction of the price."

becomes :

"If you buy a Sebenza then you have commited a great sin. If you ask me what proof I have for these words, I say it is because I am the punishment of God. If you had not committed great sins, God would not have set a punishment like me upon you!"

Bablefish will be adding it as a translate option shortly.

-Cliff
 
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Cliff Stamp

I dont believe in God and I dont believe in your opinion on the Sebe.


WYK:

What you posted is not a Rolex. It is flash and not practicle.

A sebenza is a Rolex.
 
Sebenza4ever said:
What you posted is not a Rolex. It is flash and not practicle.

A sebenza is a Rolex.
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bahahaha! Now it's just getting hilarious! :) So a Rolex is practicle? My $50 Timex is practicle!

A Seneza is practicle, it's not a Rolex by any means.
 
Cliff Stamp said:
Some people are interested in performance, for them it is valid. There are of course lots of other reasons to buy knives.

-Cliff
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I would say that you have missed the point of my message, but no matter.
 
Sebenza4ever, I hope you can get it into your head this time: we provide this forum for talking about knives, not for talking about people. Not even people who disagree with your opinions.
 
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