Thoughts on 420HC as Blade Steel

In what seems to be a trend, once again, I now have plenty of stuff to think about thanks to all the comments! :joyous: Seems the consenus is that the steel is adequate for most tasks and will easily get the job done; it's characteristics for sharpening are also actually preferable depending on one's taste. That being said, it seems that (based on some of the comments) I should only be looking at purchasing a blade that uses this steel if the price is appropriate given the wide range of other steels that can be had. So I guess that $200+ Gerber Propel that I passed on is now off my list (at least until there's a proce drop or a sale)!
 
I don't cut stuff that much, more of a carrier than a cutter I guess. So 420HC works well for me. I have several Bucks and a Kershaw Link with it and have never had a problem. If a knife I wanted had that steel, and was priced reasonably, then I wouldn't hesitate to try it.
 
There are lots of options available if you'd like to try something in 420HC,I suggest you try out something inexpensive just to see for yourself whether you like it or not.
Plenty of options available.
 
Buck does the world's best job with 420hc, and are the only way to go for the steel.
It holds a decent edge ( more than adequate for a casual use edc cutting tool ) , is easy to sharpen, and allows buck to offer a great American made knife like the buck 110 for an affordable price ( 35$ average ) or better yet a knife like the 482 for a mere 20$.
Sure you can spend a lot more money and get a fancier Steel, but first you just gotta try out a buck and see if their 420hc fits your needs then look elsewhere if not.

Start off with a 482 bucklite Max for 20$ or a 283 nano bantam for 12$ ( they're an awesome edc pair and I went with both ) as they're so affordable that you just can't go wrong even if they don't work out 👍
 
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In what seems to be a trend, once again, I now have plenty of stuff to think about thanks to all the comments! :joyous: Seems the consenus is that the steel is adequate for most tasks and will easily get the job done; it's characteristics for sharpening are also actually preferable depending on one's taste. That being said, it seems that (based on some of the comments) I should only be looking at purchasing a blade that uses this steel if the price is appropriate given the wide range of other steels that can be had. So I guess that $200+ Gerber Propel that I passed on is now off my list (at least until there's a proce drop or a sale)!

yup, exactly,

the competition at that price has better offerings :)
 
There are lots of options available if you'd like to try something in 420HC,I suggest you try out something inexpensive just to see for yourself whether you like it or not.
Plenty of options available.

A very good idea, I'm thinking it's time for another purchase!:D
 
Does anyone have experience with poorly heat treated 420hc?

Don't know if I'd call it "poor", but Case Tru-Sharp is 420HC and they run it at 55-56. The higher hardness of Buck 420HC is noticeable to me in daily use, as well as in side by side testing.
 
....I'm casting a :thumbup: vote for the Gerber Applegate / Fairbairn Combat Folder
in 420HC Steel....Excellent Piece ! B.T.B
 
Don't know if I'd call it "poor", but Case Tru-Sharp is 420HC and they run it at 55-56. The higher hardness of Buck 420HC is noticeable to me in daily use, as well as in side by side testing.
Thanks, thats a good point. Running it soft vs being inconsistant or messing it up..

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Does anyone have any experience with Condor machetes in 420hc? It seems like a stainless machete would be very handy especially if it didn't give up much in performance.

I actually like Cold steel machetes so if condor 420hc can keep with Cold steel 1055, it might be what I need.

I've been using a Condor Viking machete (20" flared Panga) in 420HC since roughly 2005. No complaints. Back then they didn't even offer anything that wasn't in 420HC.
 
It's amazing how particular we've become over the centuries. King Tut had a steel knife attached to his left thigh, which surprised archeologists because steel was unheard of in the 14th Century B.C. But Tut's dagger had the same steel makeup as a metiorite, and it was determined that's where the blade came from. Back then it was state of the art, though heat treat stunk. The Rockwell Hardness was thirty-something, but it was steel.



I think 420HC is a good blade steel. Ditto on AUS8A and 440, but Cold Steel is the only company I'm aware of that has made decent 440A. There's a lot of junk 440A out there that's impossible to sharpen. But I've got lots of 420 junk steel that's very sharp and easy to sharpen. Four-forty just sounds better.

Even relatively bad steel today is better than the best steel anciently.
 
@ Billy The Blade; I've taken a look at it and it's definitely piqued my interest! Adding it to the list, and as it so happens, my local store has one in stock!:thumbup:
 
The Gerber Strongarm is 420hc and I've seen very good reports of it. I have one and it has proven to be tough and has held a good edge.
 
420HC is a bottom of the barrel steel. The reason Buck uses it instead of their former 440C (which was great) is that they can turn out knives easier and cheaper. So, they heat treat it really well. It is not up to the level of 440A (when properly heat treated), AUS8, 440C, BD1, and etc. It is far better than 420J, though. It is an okay steel, and good for small pocket knives and etc. But do not expect too much out of it.
 
420HC is a bottom of the barrel steel. The reason Buck uses it instead of their former 440C (which was great) is that they can turn out knives easier and cheaper. So, they heat treat it really well. It is not up to the level of 440A (when properly heat treated), AUS8, 440C, BD1, and etc. It is far better than 420J, though. It is an okay steel, and good for small pocket knives and etc. But do not expect too much out of it.

you sound like someone who isn't a fan of 420hc which is fine, but it's a better steel when it comes from buck than you make it sound.
If you take a buck knife and it's Steel for what it is you'll have no problems 👍
 
it's good steel at a low price.

But at that price point, I'd take the superior 7cr17, 8cr13mov and 9cr15mov over 420hc without even needing to think.
 
420HC is a bottom of the barrel steel. The reason Buck uses it instead of their former 440C (which was great) is that they can turn out knives easier and cheaper. So, they heat treat it really well. It is not up to the level of 440A (when properly heat treated), AUS8, 440C, BD1, and etc. It is far better than 420J, though. It is an okay steel, and good for small pocket knives and etc. But do not expect too much out of it.

This hasn't been my experience with it.

420J2 is bottom of the barrel IMO, and it hurts Buck's reputation that they use it on any knife they make.

The best 1095 I've used is Schrade USA's and Mora's and I've found Mora and Opinel's 12C27 to be indistinguishable from good 1095 in use. I find Buck's 420HC to be in the same group. If there's a difference, I can't tell it in the cutting I do.

I can tell a HUGE difference between these 3 steels and Buck's 440C (great for abrasive cutting like cardboard but a bit harder to sharpen and not as nice for wood working) and Buck 420J2 (embarassingly and horribly soft).

420HC is definitely easier to produce as it is fine blankable but I don't think this is the only reason they went to it. The biggest display of Bucks that I see retail is in a hardware store in rural Vermont near where we vacation. The owner of the shop is 2nd generation and they've been selling Bucks for a long time. I was nosing around the display once and got talking knives and he made a point that Buck no longer uses stainless steel and that the use a carbon steel now, since HC stands for "high carbon". He concluded his speech saying, "Nope! You can't sharpen stainless. Buck's carbon steel is much better than their old stainless. Couldn't sharpen it."

Now, we rely on this guy for paint and hardware supplies so I wasn't about to correct him in front of a few of his adoring fan/customers but despite his misunderstanding of the terms, he had a point born out on the farms and hunting camps and reported back to him and his dad by their customers... Buck's 440C was hard for the average customer to keep sharp.

Buck's 420HC is easy to sharpen, takes a keen edge and is hard enough to hold that edge at fairly thin angles. Case's 420HC, which is several points softer looses it's edge faster and is a step behind Bucks.

Lastly, I don't think Buck got rid of 440C. They've replaced it with S30V.
 
Don't know if I'd call it "poor", but Case Tru-Sharp is 420HC and they run it at 55-56. The higher hardness of Buck 420HC is noticeable to me in daily use, as well as in side by side testing.

Does anyone know what steel Victorinox SS is? I find that Case SS performance to be very similar to Victorinox SS and I did a little looking and I did find that Victorinox hardens their steel to around 56 as well? I prefer Buck, but I like Case SS and Victorinox too. I like to think I'm good at knife sharpening but on super steels, I'm probably really only good at maintaining them before they get too dull. Buck, Case, and victorinox on the other hand I can get shaving sharp on a coffee cup bottom while camping.
If Victorinox does in fact use 420hc (not sure, just speculation)and only hardens to RC 56, then I'm thinking that 420hc, even at lower heat treat, does have some uses and could have more fans than people realize?
 
Does anyone know what steel Victorinox SS is? I find that Case SS performance to be very similar to Victorinox SS and I did a little looking and I did find that Victorinox hardens their steel to around 56 as well? I prefer Buck, but I like Case SS and Victorinox too. I like to think I'm good at knife sharpening but on super steels, I'm probably really only good at maintaining them before they get too dull. Buck, Case, and victorinox on the other hand I can get shaving sharp on a coffee cup bottom while camping.
If Victorinox does in fact use 420hc (not sure, just speculation)and only hardens to RC 56, then I'm thinking that 420hc, even at lower heat treat, does have some uses and could have more fans than people realize?

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...eel-Victorinox-uses-for-its-Swiss-Army-Knives

If the info in that thread is true about composition, then it is very very close to Sandvik 12c27mod, basically their own tweaked mod version of the mod.
 
Victorinox Steel
Victorinox blade steel had been a mystery for a long time -

Now thanks to a net-friend who sent me a copy of -
Victorinox
"Everything you need to know about Multi-tools and cutlery"
and marked-
© VICTORINOX 2008
X.90230.1 / Printed in Switzerland.

Included is a section on Victorinox blade steel

Here's a crop from that manual -

This is the first time I've seen Victorinox actually name the steel as DIN 1.4110 (German)

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Here's a useful page -
Steel designations and compositions

Notice they give a composition for INOX (SAK) steel which is different from DIN 1.4110 - I'm pretty sure that was the earlier steel Vic used.

I also have an old copy -
VicSteel_S.jpg
VicSteel_dtlS.jpg


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