Thoughts on Coyotes

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I have a friend whose family owns some ranch land with a serious problem from burrowing ground squirrels. In fact, they undermined one road that was later washed out completely.

In any event, they used to poison most of the ground squirrels (except for the few I shot). I suggested hawk perches and owl boxes. Only one family member installed them but the birds showed up very quickly and just demolished the squirrels anywhere near his portion of the property.

It's a good way to go.

DancesWithKnives
 
I "owe" those coyotes for wasting my brother's cool Momma Cat.

I figure about 10 dead ones will make it square.
 
Erasmus said:
I "owe" those coyotes for wasting my brother's cool Momma Cat.

I figure about 10 dead ones will make it square.
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It's not the 'yotes fault they took an easy meal. That is animal nature. Hell, humans do things the easy way too. Of course, when they take a pet it can piss ya off.
 
Basically my dogs decide what predators get what treatment around here.
The foxes and pizote's and medium cats get run off.
Coons and coyotes occasionally stand their ground. I've buried several.My dogs like coon meat.

When nature is balanced no animal normally gets out of control.
They coyotes down here have far more to worry about than a man and a gun.
Not the case up there, apparently.

I have snakes on my farm that could easily eat a coyote ! Even tapir....the tropical version of a wild boar.... will charge and kill them.Not many of those around any more due to man, and their good taste.
Then the big cats, venomous snake bites, crocs, caymans. The list goes on and on.
If you have livestock, good dogs and proper housing is a must. Anywhere.
 
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In my area, yotes are a fairly "recent" problem in that they have only become established in any real numbers over the past 15-20 yrs. That said, they have become a PIA to farmers, deer hunters and cat owners...(two outa' three ain't bad..:D )
In a recent Georgia DNR study some 90 does were fitted with tracking collars and 24 were confirmed to have been victims of yote predation and approx. 20 some-odd were never recovered at all. Now these were breeding age does not yearlings so the actual number is conservatively estimated to be about 30% conceivably more. Feral dogs and coydogs are another thorn in the sides of hunters and farmers. Add to this the habitat destruction we have with feral hog problems, the big picture is not very rosey. It's a matter of perspective...
 
August West said:
pj,
The response I deleted was for Philwar.
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I missed your post, but if it assumed me a leftist then that would be a scream. I am anything but. Pointing out that people f**k up nature because they don't understand how it works until it's too late does not make anyone a leftist. And pointing out that there's something wrong with people who destroy life for fun does not make me a leftist either.
For the record - and it shouldn't be necessary for anyone to establish 'credentials': I am firmly pro-gun, pro-knife, pro-small government, anti-GW, etc, etc.
I won't assume anyone will take my opinion any more serious because of this. :barf:
 
hey philwar,

I was thinking about your posts here and wrote something that I almost put here in this thread.

Please see my new thread today here on the WSS forum titled " WSS Gratitude and Merry Christmas thoughts"

Wishing you a Merry Christmas - sawgrass7
 
I am an ACO and here about the local Coyotes all the time.
Here they have gone from 0 population 25 years ago to being like rabbits now.
They carry rabies,attack livestock,kill pets and can go after people in the right situations.
 
joe-bob said:
The average coyote eats 3 mice/rats a day. Can you think of a quicker way to be up to your ass in rats than to kill off the coyotes?
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They also eat grasshoppers. Lots of grasshoppers.

I think they are neat animals--the coyotes, not the grasshoppers. I love to here them sing and shriek at night while camping out. There are a few that live nearby and I see them all the time.

We had some foxes out here for a while, but I haven't seen them lately.

All the wolves are up north...for now.

Actually, I like grasshoppers too. Late summer they make a good bug to imitate with a hopper pattern out on the trout streams. Browns will smash 'em. Tie a little RS2 or copper John of the back of that and you've got a great fishing rig.

I suppose all animal life has it's place in this tangled web, even humans, the most destructive animal of all.
 
Let the government deal with them like they do deer in some areas. Hire specialized teams to go in quietly and take out the herds/ packs at a great cost that is hidden in politically correct terms that most of the people are unaware of anyway. That way they can discretely reduce the numbers of hunters, and have more leverage that shooting sports are unnecessary.
It costs the people more than if they allowed hunters to buy tags to legally hunt them, but them it is safer for everyone that way.

Yes. Sarcasm. But sadly the way it is going.
Coyotes are a problem, but there might be some value in hunting them for their fur, and I do believe hunters would be willing to trap and hunt them in areas that are overpopulated with them and where they are clashing with human encroachment. The town I grew up in never had a problem with coyotes until the housing projects surrounded their habitat, and they are concentrated between an isolated prairie area and the suburbs. It is just a matter of time before someone gets hurt, but it is a no hunting zone just outside Chicago.
 
We have coyotes here in Stone Mountain, GA (a residential neighborhood). They are a danger to humans and have been known to attack (in packs) small children and kill domestic animals. They've also been reported to carry rabies. Needless to say, had I a gun and spotted a coyote on my property, I'd put it down without a heart beat (that or high tail it back inside) if the pack is too large.
 
harkamus said:
We have coyotes here in Stone Mountain, GA (a residential neighborhood). They are a danger to humans and have been known to attack (in packs) small children and kill domestic animals. They've also been reported to carry rabies. Needless to say, had I a gun and spotted a coyote on my property, I'd put it down without a heart beat (that or high tail it back inside) if the pack is too large.
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That just seems funny to me. I've slept outdoors surrounded by howling coyotes without a care in the world. If one had rabies it could be a problem I suppose, same as a raccoon or dog. The truth is that free-roaming and feral dogs are far more dangerous and far more likely to attack people. I wouldn't be surprised if more people are injured by wild pigs than coyotes. What is more likely to get you hurt, a coyote or a whitetail?

I rode a motorcycle through Stone Mountain a couple years ago one evening, I was more worried about the deer.
 
Rotte said:
That just seems funny to me. I've slept outdoors surrounded by howling coyotes without a care in the world. If one had rabies it could be a problem I suppose, same as a raccoon or dog. The truth is that free-roaming and feral dogs are far more dangerous and far more likely to attack people. I wouldn't be surprised if more people are injured by wild pigs than coyotes. What is more likely to get you hurt, a coyote or a whitetail?

I rode a motorcycle through Stone Mountain a couple years ago one evening, I was more worried about the deer.
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Different setting. You mentioned sleeping outdoors, which I interpret as the wild (aka a wilderness setting). The area of Stone Mountain isn't exactly wilderness. I'm not even sure how coyotes migrated to the area since it's heavily urbanized. My point is, the dotted forests that are around the area probably don't have enough wildlife for food to sustain the coyotes, so they're more vicious. I've read more than a fair share of coyotes attacking small dogs and cats.

I bet my ass on a coyote attacking me. I've seen deer in my backyard in what little trees I have. I've also read an occasional report or two about bears being spotted in our area.
 
DWK2 said:
I have a friend whose family owns some ranch land with a serious problem from burrowing ground squirrels. In fact, they undermined one road that was later washed out completely.

In any event, they used to poison most of the ground squirrels (except for the few I shot). I suggested hawk perches and owl boxes. Only one family member installed them but the birds showed up very quickly and just demolished the squirrels anywhere near his portion of the property.

It's a good way to go.

DancesWithKnives
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Good point. If coyotes got out of hand maybe it is because we are living on their land not the other way around. I get nervous when farmers start using the word vermin, most don't consider the relationship between the species. Here in South Africa the farmer hate caracals (medium sized cats) because they take down sheep hence they shoot them. What they forget these cats are territorial, what you want on your farm are caracals that are afraid of sheep. Guess what, it is possible but requires some thinking out of the box.

Another solution, get some proper dogs if you are a livestock farmer. How about turkish kangals. They use them here to keep leopards and cheetahs away. Trust me they will make short work of coyotes.
 
I don't subscribe to the "living on their land not the other way around" philosophy. However, I do agree that one needs to look at the larger picture when managing one's land and take the relationship of the various species into account.

DancesWithKnives
 
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This is a great thread, BTW. Where I live, Coyotes travel right along the tideline of the bay and down our neighborhood streets.
Pets get eaten. Parts get found. Very common.
Love em up in the park or out on the dunes. But chasing my cat into my yard in broad daylight? That evokes a committed response.

I agree that it really is a case by case situation. We are fortunate to be surrounded by wildlife. Our pets are in by evening. I've heard coyotes vocalizing all over town late at night--dozens of voices.

Numerically, they come and go in cycles. Some get shot, actually rather easily . I don't think this is too surprising because some of them seem to have no fear of people at all. Others just move on or are hit by cars. Whenever there are a lot coyotes around, all the racoons seem to dissappear. When there are no coyotes, the racoons are everywhere.
 
philwar said:
I missed your post, but if it assumed me a leftist then that would be a scream. I am anything but. Pointing out that people f**k up nature because they don't understand how it works until it's too late does not make anyone a leftist. And pointing out that there's something wrong with people who destroy life for fun does not make me a leftist either.
For the record - and it shouldn't be necessary for anyone to establish 'credentials': I am firmly pro-gun, pro-knife, pro-small government, anti-GW, etc, etc.
I won't assume anyone will take my opinion any more serious because of this. :barf:
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As I have already said, I didn't assume anything. My remarks were specifically aimed at the "man screwing up nature", which is a leftist remark, whether you are bent that way or not.

I have no idea what you are talking about as far as credentials, pro gun, pro knife, or anything else you said, as far as I have read nobody mentioned anything about that. :confused: Chris

EDIT: Sorry brother, the quote below is about as far to the left as you can get, just watch Avatar.:barf:

philwar said:
Doesn't the notion of 'managing' and 'controlling' nature strike anyone as hilarious and arrogant? Anything man has ever done has made things worse, not better.
I agree man has messed up nature in a major way, but the best approach now is leave it alone.
Who 'kept things in check' when humans weren't yet busy wiping out species after species out of financial gain or bloodlust? The only ones disturbing the balance is us humans, and any attempt by us to restore it is destined to fail spectacularly.

The idea of managing deer and other species would be laughable if it weren't for the sad fact that we've basically killed off most of their natural predators. But oh my god, there's still coyotes around who might take deer. Better kill those too. :rolleyes:
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I actually never accused you of anything, what I said was "be careful listening to the left and speaking about things you have no knowledge of" I made no assumptions what so ever.

Your comments, however, make plenty of assumptions, actually almost everything you have said is an assumption.
It must be pretty nice to be able to sit comfortably at your keyboard and know what is right for everyone else in the world and to be able to pass judgement about things you know nothing about. Chris
 
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