Ti Framelock Military

Josh,
Now you're talkin'. Those materials sound like they're already in Golden.:thumbup:
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Jesse,

We're calling it a TiMil RIL. The RIL stands for Reeve Integral Lock. Chris Reeve created and made the lock popular. Chris refined the lock for many years. It's been copied by many.

The name "frame-lock" was made up and used by those that, for some strange reason, don't give Chris Reeve credit for his significant influence on the knife industry, or they don't know it was his creation.

And yes, it is a RIL. Crucible's CPM-S30V in plain edge.

sal
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This is why people love Spyderco.
 
Phil Brown said:
It doesn't take long for an innovative feature to suddenly become old news and its creator forgotten. It isn't good, it isn't proper, but it's a fact of life.

I think that the term "framelock" is popular largely because it is very descriptive. It, like its sister term "linerlock", evokes a clear image to anyone who has seen the mechanism himself. On the other hand, "RIL" doesn't mean anything unless you're personally familiar with Reeves' work. I'm not suggesting that Chris Reeve change the name; I'm just offering my explanation of the phenomenon.
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Hi Phil,

"Linerlock" is a trademark of Michael Walker's. What we call a Walker Linerlock to differentiate the lock from others (lock-back, etc).

"Integral Lock" is a trademark of Chris Reeve, what we call a Reeve Integral Lock for the same reason.

Both of these guys trademarked, but did not patent their locks. Both of these guys changed the knife industry. Michael received some royalties for a few years (from Spyderco). To my knowledge, Chris never received a dime. We believe the least we can do is give them some credit with the name of their locks.

Back when everyone was copying Michael Walker's lock, (90's), they called it a "side-lock". (for the same reasons we now use "framelock"). It's only been recently (last few years) that people have reverted back to the original name of "Linerlock".

We've always called it a Walker Linerlock.

sal
 
At 50-100 units per month (per Brother Sal on Spydie Forums), don't expect these to be easy to get.

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Sal Glesser said:
Both of these guys trademarked, but did not patent their locks. Both of these guys changed the knife industry. Michael received some royalties for a few years (from Spyderco). To my knowledge, Chris never received a dime. We believe the least we can do is give them some credit with the name of their locks.
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Sal, do you have any idea why they didn't patent the design? Cost of obtaining the patent? Not wanting to tie up the industry with patents? Some other reason?

I really respect your personal and corporate integrity on issues like this, by the way. :thumbup:
 
The most important question......will there be a left handed version?
 
Ken C. said:
The most important question......will there be a left handed version?
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Probably not of the Ti military, but there is a left handed version of the standard model planned or somewhere in the works.
 
Hi NJewell,

I believe that they were both not very up on patent law and they just waited too long. Probably the cost was also an issue. Patents will run $10K and up for a utility patent.

If you have an idea that you think might need protection, and you can afford to protect it, you should really apply for patents before public offering.

hey Ken,

Haven't thought about a left hand model yet. Still thinking about the first one.

sal
 
Sal, thanks.

Sal and Ken - here's a thought on the LH version. For a couple of unrelated reasons, I'm a mostly-lefty knife user. I'd experimented with RH small Sebenzas and found them unusable (though there is a dedicated LH version that works fine). So when the Sage 2 came out, I wasn't sure it would work - but I was wrong.

It would be easier to upload a video than try to describe this, but I find the Sage 2 extremely easy to open and close with my left hand. The fact that you can move the clip to the other side is a plus because it gives the fingers something additional to grip in the process. The generous cutout gives my left thumb plenty of room to unlatch the framelock easily and, I believe, safely. I just recorded a quick YouTube video showing how I'm doing this. The upload will take a little time - I'll post a link when it's viewable.

Sal, the Sage series is a really cool idea. Thanks!

John
 
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John,

For the longest time I also carried right handed knives left handed. The liner lock models are not so much of a problem as the liner is not overly thick and therefore, easy to maneuver with my left hand. However, when it comes to the issue of framelocks the lock is much thicker and more difficult to move. This is evident in the Sebenza. I cannot for the life of me move that right handed lock at all using my left hand. A left handed Ti Military model would make me very happy.
 
Ken C. said:
John,

For the longest time I also carried right handed knives left handed. The liner lock models are not so much of a problem as the liner is not overly thick and therefore, easy to maneuver with my left hand. However, when it comes to the issue of framelocks the lock is much thicker and more difficult to move. This is evident in the Sebenza. I cannot for the life of me move that right handed lock at all using my left hand. A left handed Ti Military model would make me very happy.
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Ken -

Totally agree on the smallSeb, though I can make a full size Sebenza work OK with my left thumb. Take a look at this video showing how I'm using the Sage 2, which is a right-hand only model. It works quite easily for me, and looking at the pictures of the Military, I think it might work just as well. (Please pardon the long-winded introduction - I figured it ought to have some context for people who bump into the video without this thread for background.)
 
A Ti paramilitary would also be great. I live in the UK and the laws here prevent us from taking a knife outside, not even for fishing or hunting. Many other European countries have the same laws and a knife the size of a military is not generally ideal inside a home, however the para is a good size for people who are restricted to home use only...
 
GTG said:
A Ti paramilitary would also be great. I live in the UK and the laws here prevent us from taking a knife outside, not even for fishing or hunting. Many other European countries have the same laws and a knife the size of a military is not generally ideal inside a home, however the para is a good size for people who are restricted to home use only...
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That's just not true at all, you can indeed have a knife for fishing, hunting or something like bush craft as long as that's what you're actually doing.

You can also carry a <3" non locking folder like the Urban or UKPK when ever you want.

And, yes, a full Ti Para would be great :):thumbup:
 
This knife sounds like a real winner. I hate to admit this, but my CRKT S-2 (Ti Frame lock, with ATS-34 bladesteel) finds its way into my pocket frequently, so I can only imagine that a Ti-Military with similar features is going to be a very desirable knife.

Razz
 
Razzierb said:
This knife sounds like a real winner. I hate to admit this, but my CRKT S-2 (Ti Frame lock, with ATS-34 bladesteel) finds its way into my pocket frequently, so I can only imagine that a Ti-Military with similar features is going to be a very desirable knife.

Razz
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Price is about $220.
 
If the Ti handle is the same thinckness as the G-10 on both sides then I`ll buy one...
 
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