Mistwalker
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They're bad here already too...I've already pulled a few off.
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Ticks
- Thread starter Helle
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North Western Sierra Nevada Mountains at about 2300 ft
A couple months back during winter I found an engorged mama (looked like a gaint gray round peeble) trying to make it out of our shed (were the animals also sleep). All day I walked by it thinking it was a rock, until I noticed the rock kept shifting positions. When I saw it was a full tick, chucked onto the snow, and it sank through 1+ foot of snow like a rock.
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Permanone is GREAT!!!! I followed akabu's advice and sprayed my hammock in it too. No more mosquitos coming in from the thin nylon on the bottom.
I've pulled about 12 off since the first 60 degree day a month ago.
I had one crawling on me last night at the Fiancee's dinner table, and pretended to eat it in front of her and her friend. She made me go outside and spit it out, then cut it in half with the spyderco.
J
I've pulled about 12 off since the first 60 degree day a month ago.
I had one crawling on me last night at the Fiancee's dinner table, and pretended to eat it in front of her and her friend. She made me go outside and spit it out, then cut it in half with the spyderco.
J
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ahh hell lets do this right.
Ticking you off:
By Joe.
some biology
Ticks have no distinct head
-adults and nymphs have 4 pairs of legs, larvae have 3.
some have a plate like scutum (the hard thing on the back)
Family: Ixodidae. In males, the entire dorsum may be covered, females and nymphs, only the anterior part of the dorsum is covered. (that means the females and nymphs don't have that hard plate covering their back entirely, their ass is hanging out.)
Ixodidae are your hard ticks-attach for extended periods of time, sometimes days for a single engorgement. ONLY the female becomes tremendously distended by engorgement (she becomes one big fatty)
Argasidae are the soft ticks- live in lairs, dens, burrows, Not as important as vectors of disease as the hard ticks. (They think is because of the sedentary nature of the soft ticks)
Ticks have 4 stages in their life cycle:
eggs, deposited on the ground. Its the only stage that isn't able to over winter. The females can lay anywhere from 100-18,000
Larvae-6 legged
Nymphs-8 legs
Adults- 8 legs
Now I'm going to give some quick tidbits about some species and the illness they can transfer
Three host ticks:
Dermacentor andersoni- Rocky mountain wood tick-
vector of Rocky mountain spotted fever (RMSF) (actually rickettsia) and Colorado tick fever (virus)
-western US and Canada in areas where suitable host is found-ie. small mammals for larvae and nymphs, larger hosts for adults
-all stages feed on intermediate-sized hosts such as porcupines and jack rabbits
-nymphs are noticed in the spring time
-unfed can live long time
larvae 317 days
nymphs ca. 1yr
adults 413 days
RMSF-
Rocky mountain tick research lab was established in Hamilton, Montana to study the disease.
H.T. Ricketts was assigned to the lab (remember rickettsia?)
he discovered an unnamed bacteria in 1911
he died of the disease in Montana
Dermacentor variablis
AMERICAN DOG TICK
East of the 100th meridian
3 host tick.........Larvae prefers small mammals, adults prefer dogs, but will feed on livestock and humans
RMSF- vaccine started in the west during 30's
severe reactions were common including hearing loss.
1176 cases in the us in 1980 (709 South Atlantic states, 321 in NC)
365 Cases in 1998 ...148 in South Atlantic states, 71 in NC)
The pathogen!: Rickettsia rickettsi
Invades and multiplies within cells that line small blood vessels, causes damage to cell nucleus. Causes blood to leak through tiny holes in vessel walls to adjacent tissues, causes the rash. Rash occurs in 20% of cases.
Rash appears within first week. Starts and the wrists and ankles, then it expands to the trunk.
Incubation period 2-14 days.
Can be fatal: 11.7% in 30-39 year old age class
-fatalities occur when there is lack of known tick exposure, no rash, and gastrointestinal involvement.
THE BAD GUYS:
Vectors of RMSF
Dermacentor andersoni Rky. Mt wood Tick
Dermacentor variablis (Am dog tick)
Amblyomma americanum (Lone star tick)
Haemaphysalis leporispalustris (rabbit tick)
-Rhipecephalus sanguines (Brown dog tick)
ok- THE NO MUMBO JUMBO on RKSF
Infection greatly reduced if the feeding tick is removed within 10 hrs of attaching
-many individuals become infected by de-ticking their dogs (dogs can become infected)
-crushing the ticks with their fingers and pathogen enters through abraded skin.
-need for early diagnosis and treatment is important
of 94 patients infected in NC
-death rates were significantly lower
- when treated within five days of onset of illness versus those that received delayed treatment
Ticking you off:
By Joe.
some biology
Ticks have no distinct head
-adults and nymphs have 4 pairs of legs, larvae have 3.
some have a plate like scutum (the hard thing on the back)
Family: Ixodidae. In males, the entire dorsum may be covered, females and nymphs, only the anterior part of the dorsum is covered. (that means the females and nymphs don't have that hard plate covering their back entirely, their ass is hanging out.)
Ixodidae are your hard ticks-attach for extended periods of time, sometimes days for a single engorgement. ONLY the female becomes tremendously distended by engorgement (she becomes one big fatty)
Argasidae are the soft ticks- live in lairs, dens, burrows, Not as important as vectors of disease as the hard ticks. (They think is because of the sedentary nature of the soft ticks)
Ticks have 4 stages in their life cycle:
eggs, deposited on the ground. Its the only stage that isn't able to over winter. The females can lay anywhere from 100-18,000
Larvae-6 legged
Nymphs-8 legs
Adults- 8 legs
Now I'm going to give some quick tidbits about some species and the illness they can transfer
Three host ticks:
Dermacentor andersoni- Rocky mountain wood tick-
vector of Rocky mountain spotted fever (RMSF) (actually rickettsia) and Colorado tick fever (virus)
-western US and Canada in areas where suitable host is found-ie. small mammals for larvae and nymphs, larger hosts for adults
-all stages feed on intermediate-sized hosts such as porcupines and jack rabbits
-nymphs are noticed in the spring time
-unfed can live long time
larvae 317 days
nymphs ca. 1yr
adults 413 days
RMSF-
Rocky mountain tick research lab was established in Hamilton, Montana to study the disease.
H.T. Ricketts was assigned to the lab (remember rickettsia?)
he discovered an unnamed bacteria in 1911
he died of the disease in Montana
Dermacentor variablis
AMERICAN DOG TICK
East of the 100th meridian
3 host tick.........Larvae prefers small mammals, adults prefer dogs, but will feed on livestock and humans
RMSF- vaccine started in the west during 30's
severe reactions were common including hearing loss.
1176 cases in the us in 1980 (709 South Atlantic states, 321 in NC)
365 Cases in 1998 ...148 in South Atlantic states, 71 in NC)
The pathogen!: Rickettsia rickettsi
Invades and multiplies within cells that line small blood vessels, causes damage to cell nucleus. Causes blood to leak through tiny holes in vessel walls to adjacent tissues, causes the rash. Rash occurs in 20% of cases.
Rash appears within first week. Starts and the wrists and ankles, then it expands to the trunk.
Incubation period 2-14 days.
Can be fatal: 11.7% in 30-39 year old age class
-fatalities occur when there is lack of known tick exposure, no rash, and gastrointestinal involvement.
THE BAD GUYS:
Vectors of RMSF
Dermacentor andersoni Rky. Mt wood Tick
Dermacentor variablis (Am dog tick)
Amblyomma americanum (Lone star tick)
Haemaphysalis leporispalustris (rabbit tick)
-Rhipecephalus sanguines (Brown dog tick)
ok- THE NO MUMBO JUMBO on RKSF
Infection greatly reduced if the feeding tick is removed within 10 hrs of attaching
-many individuals become infected by de-ticking their dogs (dogs can become infected)
-crushing the ticks with their fingers and pathogen enters through abraded skin.
-need for early diagnosis and treatment is important
of 94 patients infected in NC
-death rates were significantly lower
- when treated within five days of onset of illness versus those that received delayed treatment
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Ehrlichioses:
Recognized in '86
2 forms: human monocytic ehrlichiosis, and human granulocytic ehrlichiosis-clinically almost indistinguishable.
aggregates in white blood cells.
Clinical characterization:
-generally a mild disease.
-fever, headache, myalgia, thrombocytopenia, leukopenia, and elevated liver enzyme levels.
-A rash occurs in 1/3 of patients
Severe cases
adult respiratory distress syndrome, renal failure, neurology disorders, intravascular coagulation (disseminated)
- 5% for HME, 10% for HGE
some report less than 5% for these diseases.
Diagnosis
-clinical indications
-lab confirmation by indirect amino assay.
treatment:
good ol' tetracycline
Lone Star tick
Amblyomma americanum
vector OF HME
three host tick; larvae and nymphs-indiscriminant feeders, adults readily feed on deer, livestock, humans.
-severe reaction to feeding
Black legged tick
Ixodes scapularis
3 host tick- 2 year lifecycle
importance:
Ehrlichioses isn't well recognized
non-specific symptoms may interfere with a timely diagnosis
could be life threatening
there is risk for blood transfusion transmission
there is no ehrlichiosis surveillance program
incidence rates haven't really been determined
many states lack lab equipment for proper testing.
Recognized in '86
2 forms: human monocytic ehrlichiosis, and human granulocytic ehrlichiosis-clinically almost indistinguishable.
aggregates in white blood cells.
Clinical characterization:
-generally a mild disease.
-fever, headache, myalgia, thrombocytopenia, leukopenia, and elevated liver enzyme levels.
-A rash occurs in 1/3 of patients
Severe cases
adult respiratory distress syndrome, renal failure, neurology disorders, intravascular coagulation (disseminated)
- 5% for HME, 10% for HGE
some report less than 5% for these diseases.
Diagnosis
-clinical indications
-lab confirmation by indirect amino assay.
treatment:
good ol' tetracycline
Lone Star tick
Amblyomma americanum
vector OF HME
three host tick; larvae and nymphs-indiscriminant feeders, adults readily feed on deer, livestock, humans.
-severe reaction to feeding
Black legged tick
Ixodes scapularis
3 host tick- 2 year lifecycle
importance:
Ehrlichioses isn't well recognized
non-specific symptoms may interfere with a timely diagnosis
could be life threatening
there is risk for blood transfusion transmission
there is no ehrlichiosis surveillance program
incidence rates haven't really been determined
many states lack lab equipment for proper testing.
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sounds like the Lone Star tick.
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Wow Joe, thanks for taking the time for the info. down load.
:thumbup:
Found two more roaming in the house yesterday.
No doubt about it, I have been using it for my hunting and camping cloth items for years now and have had no problems with any of natures little annoyances.:thumbup:
The ticks do seem bad enough this spring already that it may not be a bad ideal to spray down a set of clothes for yard duty, and the carpet, furniture, beds........
J/K folks you don't want to use Permanone in your house.
Have a good day.
Helle
:thumbup: Found two more roaming in the house yesterday.
No doubt about it, I have been using it for my hunting and camping cloth items for years now and have had no problems with any of natures little annoyances.:thumbup:
The ticks do seem bad enough this spring already that it may not be a bad ideal to spray down a set of clothes for yard duty, and the carpet, furniture, beds........
J/K folks you don't want to use Permanone in your house.Have a good day.
Helle
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Hey fellas.
Thanks for jinxing me....
I just pulled this lil bastard out of my shoulder.
Looks like a deer tick to me.
The tick couldn't have been on me more than a few hours. Is it true they can not transmit Lymes disease in that time frame.
Should the bite area look so red .
When I pulled 1 off my daughter in December it didn't look so irritated..
I'm not trying to be a whiney lil b%#$h, jus a question...
Thanks for jinxing me....
I just pulled this lil bastard out of my shoulder.
Looks like a deer tick to me.
The tick couldn't have been on me more than a few hours. Is it true they can not transmit Lymes disease in that time frame.
Should the bite area look so red .
When I pulled 1 off my daughter in December it didn't look so irritated..
I'm not trying to be a whiney lil b%#$h, jus a question...
Tony get your A** to your doctor TOMORROW and start the MEDS! Better safe than sorry! If you have'nt noticed almost every post I make has a reference to my sorry A** and what's happened to me after contracting a MAJOR case of Lyme Disease!! READ Dr Burrascano's papers at www.ilads.org . That's ok, you don't have to thank me now, I KNOW you'll appreciate NOT going through what I had to endure since last August!!
Wash that bite with antibacterial soap if you have'nt already. Man, that sucks, and you're not being whimpy, trust me, do the meds for your own sake regardless of what your doctor thinks, and take the tick in with you for testing. Be Vigilant!! This is some very debilitating crap Lyme Disease!
Wash that bite with antibacterial soap if you have'nt already. Man, that sucks, and you're not being whimpy, trust me, do the meds for your own sake regardless of what your doctor thinks, and take the tick in with you for testing. Be Vigilant!! This is some very debilitating crap Lyme Disease!
Don't make me take the train up there, rent a car and drive you to the doctor's Tony!! After what I went through I NEVER want anyone I've ever known to go through it! The meds had to keep being changed because I was getting so violently sick from them. Nice to know they finally settled on some crap before I was totally crippled. The artrithisis I don't wish on anyone, let alone someone as active as you are Tony. Remember I used to be just as active in the woods for 35 years before that one little basta*d got me.... BE safe not sorry!
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Eh...just get a bottle of Grey Goose and chill. Cut the bite open like you would a snake bite. Then, pour two shot glasses of Goose. Pour a little of one shot glass onto the bite, which is probably bleeding profusely if you cut it properly, andd then drink the rest. Continue taking shots and you should pretty much kill any virus, bacteria, etc that is in your system by the time you finish the bottle.*
*This is not intended as actual sound medical advice. The writer takes no responsibility for accuracy or safety of the above statement. The reader uses it completely at his or her own risk.
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I spray my dog kennels down every few weeks with a solution of two cups of Clorox liquid bleach to each one gallon of water. It does kill the little buggers but doesn't persist and has little effect on the vegetation.
As a kid in Arkansas working in the words 60 years ago, we used to tied our pant legs down and soak that area with kerosine. It seemed to work. We knew nothing about tick diseases in those days, they were just a nuisance. Worse to us were the @@#%!! chiggers. Get into a nest of chiggers and spend the next several days clawing your legs bloody with your fingernails! The kerosine on the lower pant legs sure seemd to stop chiggers.
As a kid in Arkansas working in the words 60 years ago, we used to tied our pant legs down and soak that area with kerosine. It seemed to work. We knew nothing about tick diseases in those days, they were just a nuisance. Worse to us were the @@#%!! chiggers. Get into a nest of chiggers and spend the next several days clawing your legs bloody with your fingernails! The kerosine on the lower pant legs sure seemd to stop chiggers.
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My experience with ticks, are different to say the least.
My youngest got a tick on the belly, even though he had been dipped in bug dope. It was dug in but had died.
My brother had a tick removal issue, the head remained inbedded in his arm, and his arm became infected, and he had to go to the "ER." . We were in a small village on the Sea of Cortes. Good news was the doctor at the clinic only charged 2 bucks to excise it, and gave antibiotics.
Most recently The wife got a tick on her nipple, I couldn't stop laughing. Now whenever we return from hiking, I have to stand there ( straight faced) and check her for ticks. I do this even when I am tired.......... I stand there waiting, .............camera ready.
My youngest got a tick on the belly, even though he had been dipped in bug dope. It was dug in but had died.
My brother had a tick removal issue, the head remained inbedded in his arm, and his arm became infected, and he had to go to the "ER." . We were in a small village on the Sea of Cortes. Good news was the doctor at the clinic only charged 2 bucks to excise it, and gave antibiotics.
Most recently The wife got a tick on her nipple, I couldn't stop laughing. Now whenever we return from hiking, I have to stand there ( straight faced) and check her for ticks. I do this even when I am tired.......... I stand there waiting, .............camera ready.
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I got the lymerix vaccine before they pulled it off the market about 8 years ago. It was a 3 shot regimin, but I am in the woods a lot and my wife works at a doctors office so the shots were free. About 6 months or so after the last shot, I found a tick on my arm one morning, pulled it off and thought nothing of it. The next day I had the bullseye. I thought WTF!!!! So I went to the doctors, they did a blood test and the titer came back positive for lymes.
Good news was, the doctor said I got the bullseye, but would not get full blown lymes because the antibodies were already in my system to kill it off.
No meds necessary.
I am sure that the vaccines efficacy is much lower at this point and because boosters are not available, I am probably just as vulnerable as the rest of you at this point.
Good news was, the doctor said I got the bullseye, but would not get full blown lymes because the antibodies were already in my system to kill it off.
No meds necessary.
I am sure that the vaccines efficacy is much lower at this point and because boosters are not available, I am probably just as vulnerable as the rest of you at this point.