Tidings and the return of Schatt and Morgan?

sitflyer said:
I just hope they actually are able to get rolling and produce some S&M patterns in volume. It's got to take a bunch of cash to get a ball like that rolling.
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Especially when it seems nobody's willing to let go of the past and look at them with a fresh point of view. I think if you go looking with a mindset of finding fault,then fault is all you'll find.
 
Misplaced Hillbilly said:
Amendment A: good luck Mr.Cooper, your gonna need it.
Amendment A-1: I hope to see an American company make a nice daddy barlow, so maybe a S&M Daddy barlow would be nice:):thumbsup:
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something like this maybe?
 
sitflyer sitflyer
WOW! Absolutely! If the new S&M could produce that, sign me up. Maybe with a couple minor tweaks I'd personally find appealing, that blade but a long pull or clip and long pull,and gunstock checkered whooo weee!:cool::thumbsup:
 
Misplaced Hillbilly said:
Ok I'm making a decree, henceforth we shall not pass judgment upon knives yet to be based upon knives that once were that are being produced by someone that is not the original manufacturer of said knives so shouldn't carry the burden of the previous manufacturers mistakes and or neglect to produce a product to a standard they had previously attained but failed to continue into the death throws of the parent company that produced the aforementioned knives while holding rights to the name and branding of said knives. We shall then forthwith to only discuss which patterns and materials we'd hope to see manufactured by the new holders of the aforementioned names and branding and shall hold our opinions on the quality of said knives until the manufacturer has time to actually build the damn things and some of us have had enough of them in hand to determine the quality thereof and then and only then we will nit pick the living hell outta them and let the newly formed company stand or fall on its OWN merits.
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Fair enough.
I could go for a nice Harness Jack. :):thumbsup:
 
I'm a fan of the authentic 60+ year old Winterbottom Bone. I know we'll never see that again on a Queen knife out of China, but maybe it could be used every once in a while on the new S&M knives. It is one of my favorite handle materials.
 
Norcaldude said:
I don't think anybody has said they were going to judge this version of S&M on the old version. That would make no sense at all.
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No not directly, but I felt that the thread was started to discuss the new S&M knives and it quickly devolved into a discussion about fit'n'finish and QC and how crappy Queen knives were at their demise. While perfectly reasonable to wonder what the new production will be quality wise and hope for the best, we're not here to discuss the old Queen but the new S&M. At least in my opinion that is. And if all we do is remind ourselves of the bad we possibly jade ourselves to something new. Again I say if all we discuss are flaws then flaws become all we'll see. If glaring flaws are present and the quality is poor that will speak for itself, however I'm afraid we'll mentally set the bar so high that anything less than absolute perfection will be acceptable.
 
They certainly didn't mind making unusual patterns which was a good thing. Here, English Jack with Sheepfoot master, Pen minor. I have only 3 Schatt knives left, one is old, pre WW II and this and a Horticultural Jack are from late c20th early this century, given some away too. Think it would be better if in the future they opt for matte finish on the stainless, as you find on many French knives, the ultra polish crocus look can be a bit too much like chrome plating at times ...

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Misplaced Hillbilly said:
it quickly devolved into a discussion about fit'n'finish and QC and how crappy Queen knives were at their demise
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I think it's only natural when an historic brand is being resurrected.
We will naturally talk about the brand's past history, good and bad.
The demise of the old brand will obviously be a large part of that discussion.
I know we all wish the new venture the best of luck and hope they provide us with quality options.
 
Dadpool said:
Well said! :thumbsup: This is an important distinction.

In my eyes Queen tarnished its reputation in the years leading up to its closure by shipping substandard knives at premium prices. (My terrible experience with their warranty support may be an outlier.)

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I want to know that the current owner of the S&M mark is aware of that problem and knows how to avoid it. I'd feel the same way if, say, someone bought the Gerber name from Fiskars: It would be on them to prove that they're not just going to continue making the junk for which Gerber has become known.
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I think thats one of the problems with the whole trade mark and name issue. Originally, Queen was a maker of decent knives, some would even say quality knives. But as time goes and company folds and the name the gets sold, cant live on reputation forever. Those laurels eventually fade and fail apart. Now with all the time that has passed and what others have done to that name, Mr.Cooper decided to purchase the trademark and the machines and try his luck anyway. I wish him the best of luck as Ive had quite a few Schatt and Morgan knives pass through my hands and still hold on to some lovely pieces. I hope he does restore the brand to some of its former glory.
 
Misplaced Hillbilly said:
No not directly, but I felt that the thread was started to discuss the new S&M knives and it quickly devolved into a discussion about fit'n'finish and QC and how crappy Queen knives were at their demise. While perfectly reasonable to wonder what the new production will be quality wise and hope for the best, we're not here to discuss the old Queen but the new S&M. At least in my opinion that is. And if all we do is remind ourselves of the bad we possibly jade ourselves to something new. Again I say if all we discuss are flaws then flaws become all we'll see. If glaring flaws are present and the quality is poor that will speak for itself, however I'm afraid we'll mentally set the bar so high that anything less than absolute perfection will be acceptable.
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Precisely, the Daniel's chapter is closed in that book and it is time for Mr.Cooper to begin writing his. I wish him the best of luck in his endeavors.
 
Misplaced Hillbilly said:
Ok I'm making a decree, henceforth we shall not pass judgment upon knives yet to be based upon knives that once were that are being produced by someone that is not the original manufacturer of said knives so shouldn't carry the burden of the previous manufacturers mistakes and or neglect to produce a product to a standard they had previously attained but failed to continue into the death throws of the parent company that produced the aforementioned knives while holding rights to the name and branding of said knives. We shall then forthwith to only discuss which patterns and materials we'd hope to see manufactured by the new holders of the aforementioned names and branding and shall hold our opinions on the quality of said knives until the manufacturer has time to actually build the damn things and some of us have had enough of them in hand to determine the quality thereof and then and only then we will nit pick the living hell outta them and let the newly formed company stand or fall on its OWN merits.
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I like your post very much!
I am excited about the revival of the Schatt and Morgan name on knives being made in the USA. I look forward to see what patterns and blade steel or steels they use.

I will wait until I have one of Mr. Cooper’s knives in my hands before I decide if it is a masterpiece, a piece of garbage or somewhere in between.

With that said I am still excited about new Schatt & Morgan knives!
 
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