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Time to get a gun? Time to get advice.
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I can't relate to this thinking. I"m 39 and was raised in a house that was chalk full of guns, rifles, shotguns, pistols of every caliber, action, etc. Their were guns in my mom and sisters purse and in every vehicle we owned, still are. Now my house is the same way. My son doesn't mess with them, why because it was never made taboo in our house. My son was taught from a very early age what they were and what their for and what they can do. Guess what now he doesn't mess with them, if he wants to handle one he comes to get me. My wife at first went into shock when she saw what I had and was worried about the young ones but no worries sent her to a NRA class and the cop who taught it, said guess what. Don't make them taboo or when your gone they will dig for them to play with and hes right, he went on to say he takes his service pistol off every night and lays on his kitchen counter till he places it on his night stand at bed time and his house is full of kids. Now I keep the guns and ammo separate except for some pistols that are for home security, these pistols are loaded but a round is not chambered, I can rack a slide in a split second.
That said get a pistol, large caliber something in .40 to .45, I would recommend .45 its a big heavy slow moving bullet that will do what it is intended to do with one shot. The caliber was made to kill Indians that were high on peyote, it will handle any iced out or cracked up thug. Pistol is much smaller and much easier to handle than a shotgun especially in a situation similar to your friends uninvited door knock. I shoot H&K and beretta pistols, yes their expensive but when I pull the trigger it is going to go BANG and thats what I was buying it for.
If you want something for when the ballon goes up and its going to, that pistol and rat would be better served with an AR platform carbine preferabbly in .308/7.62 nato as opposed to a .223/5.56 nato. I've seen all the defense shotguns in action including the wilson combat, wilson tactical, benelli M2, remingtion 870 police, FN etc, and I've seen ar platform carbines in both calibers and nothing is going to work like a ar platform in .308 with a couple of 30 round mags and some 165 grains bullets. NOTHING.
When that gun starts going off you know exactly what is being shot it is LOUD beyond any measure and you can cycle a lot of ammo quickly and efficiently with just a little practice. Trust me when that things starts going off people are going to put their head down, piss on racking a shotgun, let loose just one round out of .308 carbine and its a street clearer.
Also with this gun its a lot eaiser to carry three clips which equals 90 rounds, trying carrying 90 rounds of 12 gauge buckshot, not going to happen. Moreover even with semi auto you can crank out 90 rounds through that gun in less than a minute with some practice, that is simply not possible with a shot gun that only holds maybe 8 or 9 at best and then must be reloaded.
Bottom line get some help from an NRA instructor learn to shoot start checking out some gun sites and google searching some firearm brands and read some reviews. Last but not least get in the right frame of mind and realize that things they are a changing even in "SAFE NEIGHBORHOODS", you need to always be paying attention to whats going on around you. It is sad that is had come to this but it has and I am afraid it is going to get worse as the economy continues to deteriorate. Oh, thats right the economy is getting better, the guy on the tv told me, so it must be true. Disregard everything I just said and go on about your business everything is ok.
That said get a pistol, large caliber something in .40 to .45, I would recommend .45 its a big heavy slow moving bullet that will do what it is intended to do with one shot. The caliber was made to kill Indians that were high on peyote, it will handle any iced out or cracked up thug. Pistol is much smaller and much easier to handle than a shotgun especially in a situation similar to your friends uninvited door knock. I shoot H&K and beretta pistols, yes their expensive but when I pull the trigger it is going to go BANG and thats what I was buying it for.
If you want something for when the ballon goes up and its going to, that pistol and rat would be better served with an AR platform carbine preferabbly in .308/7.62 nato as opposed to a .223/5.56 nato. I've seen all the defense shotguns in action including the wilson combat, wilson tactical, benelli M2, remingtion 870 police, FN etc, and I've seen ar platform carbines in both calibers and nothing is going to work like a ar platform in .308 with a couple of 30 round mags and some 165 grains bullets. NOTHING.
When that gun starts going off you know exactly what is being shot it is LOUD beyond any measure and you can cycle a lot of ammo quickly and efficiently with just a little practice. Trust me when that things starts going off people are going to put their head down, piss on racking a shotgun, let loose just one round out of .308 carbine and its a street clearer.
Also with this gun its a lot eaiser to carry three clips which equals 90 rounds, trying carrying 90 rounds of 12 gauge buckshot, not going to happen. Moreover even with semi auto you can crank out 90 rounds through that gun in less than a minute with some practice, that is simply not possible with a shot gun that only holds maybe 8 or 9 at best and then must be reloaded.
Bottom line get some help from an NRA instructor learn to shoot start checking out some gun sites and google searching some firearm brands and read some reviews. Last but not least get in the right frame of mind and realize that things they are a changing even in "SAFE NEIGHBORHOODS", you need to always be paying attention to whats going on around you. It is sad that is had come to this but it has and I am afraid it is going to get worse as the economy continues to deteriorate. Oh, thats right the economy is getting better, the guy on the tv told me, so it must be true. Disregard everything I just said and go on about your business everything is ok.
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If you don't think you can pull the trigger than don't get a gun.
For the type of gun; revolvers are great but if you get a .357 do NOT shoot .357 in them until you get VERY comfortable shooting. Shoot .38's in it until you are comfy then try shooting .357. If you are never comfy with .357, like me, then only ever use 38's. As for me I would recomend a glock 9mm. Maintenance is easier than a revolver and the kick of the 9 is really slight. But again, if you don't think you can use a gun, don't own a gun.
For the type of gun; revolvers are great but if you get a .357 do NOT shoot .357 in them until you get VERY comfortable shooting. Shoot .38's in it until you are comfy then try shooting .357. If you are never comfy with .357, like me, then only ever use 38's. As for me I would recomend a glock 9mm. Maintenance is easier than a revolver and the kick of the 9 is really slight. But again, if you don't think you can use a gun, don't own a gun.
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Please explain HOW maintenance is easier in a pistol than a revolver???
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My head is almost literally spinning after logging on this morning and seeing all the responses to my question. I know this is an emotional issue, and it's a very serious one. I'm not even sure I could actually fire a gun at someone, and as one poster said, if I don't think I can, don't get a gun.
But I think the best advice is to take a course in basic firearms. I'll drop by the gun range and see what they offer.
It's true, my mindset is definitely in a different place than most of you. I was thinking that I could get a gun and hide it away, just in case. But what good is a gun that takes 10 minutes to get to, in an emergency? I obviously need to get familiar with handguns -- I should say get comfortable. Then I'll know what course I should follow. At this point, though, I can't imagine myself walking around the house with a gun on my belt, and for sure I can't imagine having a shotgun. That attitude may have a lot to do with my complete ignorance of guns.
Many thanks to all of you who took the time to respond. I'll let you know what happens.
But I think the best advice is to take a course in basic firearms. I'll drop by the gun range and see what they offer.
It's true, my mindset is definitely in a different place than most of you. I was thinking that I could get a gun and hide it away, just in case. But what good is a gun that takes 10 minutes to get to, in an emergency? I obviously need to get familiar with handguns -- I should say get comfortable. Then I'll know what course I should follow. At this point, though, I can't imagine myself walking around the house with a gun on my belt, and for sure I can't imagine having a shotgun. That attitude may have a lot to do with my complete ignorance of guns.
Many thanks to all of you who took the time to respond. I'll let you know what happens.
A lot of good advice here and the only thing that I would add to it is: if you purchase a firearm you also need to learn about when and where you can use one. You definitely don't want to try to use it as a deterrant only to find out that you broke a law and you are on your way to prison or at the butt of a lawsuit.
Bottom line of all these post is to educate yourself well.
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Bottom line of all these post is to educate yourself well.
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Dartfrogger: glad you took the time to read through these posts. Please, get some training asap. If you've had little experience with weapons you'll need someone to carefully show you the ropes. Don't slack off and try to figure everything out for yourself...it won't work. There is great benefit in knowledge and a multitude of counselors.
Also, the best pistol shot I ever saw (and I've witnessed a bunch) was by a middle aged man using a 4 inch Dan Wesson in .357 magnum. You won't go wrong with this caliber.
Also, the best pistol shot I ever saw (and I've witnessed a bunch) was by a middle aged man using a 4 inch Dan Wesson in .357 magnum. You won't go wrong with this caliber.
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Simplest handgun to operate for an inexperienced user would probably be a double-action .38 revolver. If you're not going to be carrying it concealed, a 4" or even 6" barrel would be better than a snubbie.
You don't need a magnum, automatics are more difficult to operate, and you aren't going to be wanting to answer a knock at the door with a shotgun.
Taurus and Ruger make reasonably priced revolvers. And you can pick up a used one with dings and scratches for a fraction of the price of new. Just don't get an antique top-break revolver in some obsolete caliber, or an imported POS like an "RG".
You don't need a magnum, automatics are more difficult to operate, and you aren't going to be wanting to answer a knock at the door with a shotgun.
Taurus and Ruger make reasonably priced revolvers. And you can pick up a used one with dings and scratches for a fraction of the price of new. Just don't get an antique top-break revolver in some obsolete caliber, or an imported POS like an "RG".
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Being a Canadian I think I have a unique perspective. I personally say don't get a gun. Even though it could potentially prove useful in those very rare situations, there is much more probability of it harming you more than helping. What if your kids get into it? what if you get freaked out by an innocent person. Many people die each year due to accidents with firearms. The one problem wit guns is that guns breed more guns. I have never felt the need to carry a gun simply because little people carry guns here. If every second joe had one here id probably want one as well.
Many people on these forums are very pro gun and thats cool, but I think its important to get the message from the not so progun guy. Even though I dont care for guns myself, I don't feel it is my right to say others can't use them or collect them. Just like id hate it if people told me I couldnt use my knives
. Do some research and find out what is right for you.
If you do decide to get one, please get some training too
Many people on these forums are very pro gun and thats cool, but I think its important to get the message from the not so progun guy. Even though I dont care for guns myself, I don't feel it is my right to say others can't use them or collect them. Just like id hate it if people told me I couldnt use my knives
. Do some research and find out what is right for you. If you do decide to get one, please get some training too
Here's a site to look up NRA instructors.
http://www.nrainstructors.org/searchcourse.aspx
I tried to read the whole thread, but ran out of time. So, I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this idea:
If you're looking to increase your home security and budget is an issue, then look into lower cost things you can do to make your home less attractive to criminals. First on that list, is to develop a security-oriented mindset. As someone else said up thread, answering the door without seeing who was there (or after seeing who was there) was a bad idea. Second, look into lighting, consider planting some thorny stuff in front of windows, consider getting a simple alarm system with a loud siren (no service if you're on a budget, but excessive noise is a deterrent), and make sure your doors and windows are as secure as possible.
I'm not saying not to get a gun for home defense. However, if you are on a budget, you need to be aware that the training and ammunition investment to make a gun as good an option as possible is considerable. The price of the gun itself is a small part of the expense.
So, save up for that part of your plan, take your time learning and trying to adjust to the mindset needed. In the meantime, make your home a lot less attractive to any prospective criminals than the next guy's.
Another plus to this strategy is that if the unfortunate event does occur, you can point to the security measures you took before getting a gun as both evidence of your good intent and the persistence of the hypothetical bad guy's ill intent. This isn't needed, nor is it going to be a factor in proving whether a shooting was legally justified. On the other hand, it can't hurt when dealing with the State.
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Some good stuff here, but a few points------------
1.) "Stopping power" in cartridge to cartridge comparisons is one of those things that is a lot more crap than anything else. Don't get me wrong, a 357 hits harder and does more damage than a 38 special, but any of the normal, service grade calibers (9mm, 38, 357, 40, 45, and yes even 380) will stop someone IF you hit them in vital areas. In the movies, guys get hit with a 45 and go flying back. Want a fun test? If you have access to an outdoor range (and I'm speaking to all of you who are going to try and hurl ft-lbs. numbers at me), cut a slice in the top of a pumpkin and slide a 1/4" steel plate down into it. Place steel-cored pumpkin on a raised surface like a stool. The steel is there to absorb the bullet's energy and not let it just punch through the pumpkin, the pumpkin is there to catch the debris/ricochet. Now, shoot pumpkin with handgun of your choice. Watch pumpkin roll or fall off of the stool. Notice that the 15 pound pumpkin and plate DID NOT fly off the stool. Now ask yourself if the same bullet would send a 200 pound man flying. So drop the thinking that you don't have to be as good with a bigger caliber because it'll stop them if you just hit them. A 45 through the deltoid is not a fight-stopper, a 380 in the heart is. How well the gun fits you and how intuitively it points for you are the main factors to consider. From there, if you're comfortable shooting a larger caliber and can do it well, great. If you have to go smaller to do it well, go smaller.
I worked in a gun shop once as a rangemaster, and between that and military time I've seen a whole mess of people who get wrapped up in the magazine-reading, latest and greatest type of thinking with their firearms and ammunition, and never spend the time to actually get good and putting bullets where they need to be put. Being able to stand comfortably in an air conditioned range with a well lit target, no pressure, all the time in the world, and hit the bullseye has absolutely nothing to do with being able to hit something when you NEED to, especially if it's moving or fighting back. Once you get the fundamentals down, you need to practice point shooting and getting on your target fast---they're not going to stand there calmly while you get set up.
2.) If you go for a handgun, don't worry about capacity. If you like the feel of a pistol better than a revolver, or the other way around, then let that be your guiding decision. Again, getting some training should give you the opportunity to try different things out, and you'll start to understand what feels better to you. Defensive shootings are usually over in a couple of seconds with two or three shots. Being the one to get those shots off first, quickly and on-target, is what wins. The prolonged, running gunfight stuff (outside of some police or military situations) is only in the movies. Assuming it actually did happen: I don't care if you have 10,000 rounds in your magazine, if you're facing a whole room full of armed opponents by yourself, you're going to lose. If you can't hit anything and try to take comfort from the fact that you have 15 shots to get lucky with instead of 6, you're going to lose.
3.)As others have said, it's not about WANTING to pull the trigger, but if you feel you can't, then don't have the gun. However, nobody has detailed why. You have no idea what the intentions are of a person who attempts to attack you or invade your home. May be a murderer, may be a rapist, may be a guy looking for a free TV who is going to run at the first noise he hears. It could be a life or death situation, or maybe not. However, once you introduce a gun into the equation and he (or she) sees it, it now absolutely is a life or death situation as far as the intruder is concerned. The intruder is not going to be thinking, "Maybe he's just trying to scare me." He's going to be trying to save his own life. His eyes get wider, his blood pressure increases, his adrenaline kicks in, and exactly one of two things is going to happen: he's going to move very quickly, either away from you or right at you. If he runs, great. If he doesn't, whatever his intentions were when all of this started, he's trying to kill you now to save his own life. If he has his own weapon, he'll go for it, if he doesn't, he'll go for yours. If you know in your heart that you can't use deadly force, then DO NOT escalate the situation in this way.
Again, it's not about wanting to kill someone. I'm CPR certified (and get re-certified every two years) and have never had occasion to try and keep anybody alive. I hope I never have to. But, if I have to, I'm willing.
4.)As others have said, if there are kids in the house, the whole family needs to be a part of this. I was taught gun safety and to shoot starting when I was six years old. I knew where the guns were, including the loaded one, and honestly never touched them without my parents around. By the same token, I knew where the stove was, how it worked, and never cooked myself. Your kids watch every single thing you do (they're programmed to do that so they can learn how to be) and you're absolutely not sly enough to keep this a secret from them. If you don't let it be a mystery, however, you'll take away the "I must get to that thing" fascination. If you make it Bluebeard's Chest, it'll become a quest for them.
I'll probably piss somebody off by saying this, but it's kind of the same thing as parents who can't face the thought of their kids knowing about (let alone having) sex, and so trying to pretend it doesn't exist or make it a taboo. They're GOING to find out from somebody, so you do best to take an active part in what they learn.
Done correctly, and safely, it can be a very fun family activity. Shooting, not sex.
1.) "Stopping power" in cartridge to cartridge comparisons is one of those things that is a lot more crap than anything else. Don't get me wrong, a 357 hits harder and does more damage than a 38 special, but any of the normal, service grade calibers (9mm, 38, 357, 40, 45, and yes even 380) will stop someone IF you hit them in vital areas. In the movies, guys get hit with a 45 and go flying back. Want a fun test? If you have access to an outdoor range (and I'm speaking to all of you who are going to try and hurl ft-lbs. numbers at me), cut a slice in the top of a pumpkin and slide a 1/4" steel plate down into it. Place steel-cored pumpkin on a raised surface like a stool. The steel is there to absorb the bullet's energy and not let it just punch through the pumpkin, the pumpkin is there to catch the debris/ricochet. Now, shoot pumpkin with handgun of your choice. Watch pumpkin roll or fall off of the stool. Notice that the 15 pound pumpkin and plate DID NOT fly off the stool. Now ask yourself if the same bullet would send a 200 pound man flying. So drop the thinking that you don't have to be as good with a bigger caliber because it'll stop them if you just hit them. A 45 through the deltoid is not a fight-stopper, a 380 in the heart is. How well the gun fits you and how intuitively it points for you are the main factors to consider. From there, if you're comfortable shooting a larger caliber and can do it well, great. If you have to go smaller to do it well, go smaller.
I worked in a gun shop once as a rangemaster, and between that and military time I've seen a whole mess of people who get wrapped up in the magazine-reading, latest and greatest type of thinking with their firearms and ammunition, and never spend the time to actually get good and putting bullets where they need to be put. Being able to stand comfortably in an air conditioned range with a well lit target, no pressure, all the time in the world, and hit the bullseye has absolutely nothing to do with being able to hit something when you NEED to, especially if it's moving or fighting back. Once you get the fundamentals down, you need to practice point shooting and getting on your target fast---they're not going to stand there calmly while you get set up.
2.) If you go for a handgun, don't worry about capacity. If you like the feel of a pistol better than a revolver, or the other way around, then let that be your guiding decision. Again, getting some training should give you the opportunity to try different things out, and you'll start to understand what feels better to you. Defensive shootings are usually over in a couple of seconds with two or three shots. Being the one to get those shots off first, quickly and on-target, is what wins. The prolonged, running gunfight stuff (outside of some police or military situations) is only in the movies. Assuming it actually did happen: I don't care if you have 10,000 rounds in your magazine, if you're facing a whole room full of armed opponents by yourself, you're going to lose. If you can't hit anything and try to take comfort from the fact that you have 15 shots to get lucky with instead of 6, you're going to lose.
3.)As others have said, it's not about WANTING to pull the trigger, but if you feel you can't, then don't have the gun. However, nobody has detailed why. You have no idea what the intentions are of a person who attempts to attack you or invade your home. May be a murderer, may be a rapist, may be a guy looking for a free TV who is going to run at the first noise he hears. It could be a life or death situation, or maybe not. However, once you introduce a gun into the equation and he (or she) sees it, it now absolutely is a life or death situation as far as the intruder is concerned. The intruder is not going to be thinking, "Maybe he's just trying to scare me." He's going to be trying to save his own life. His eyes get wider, his blood pressure increases, his adrenaline kicks in, and exactly one of two things is going to happen: he's going to move very quickly, either away from you or right at you. If he runs, great. If he doesn't, whatever his intentions were when all of this started, he's trying to kill you now to save his own life. If he has his own weapon, he'll go for it, if he doesn't, he'll go for yours. If you know in your heart that you can't use deadly force, then DO NOT escalate the situation in this way.
Again, it's not about wanting to kill someone. I'm CPR certified (and get re-certified every two years) and have never had occasion to try and keep anybody alive. I hope I never have to. But, if I have to, I'm willing.
4.)As others have said, if there are kids in the house, the whole family needs to be a part of this. I was taught gun safety and to shoot starting when I was six years old. I knew where the guns were, including the loaded one, and honestly never touched them without my parents around. By the same token, I knew where the stove was, how it worked, and never cooked myself. Your kids watch every single thing you do (they're programmed to do that so they can learn how to be) and you're absolutely not sly enough to keep this a secret from them. If you don't let it be a mystery, however, you'll take away the "I must get to that thing" fascination. If you make it Bluebeard's Chest, it'll become a quest for them.
I'll probably piss somebody off by saying this, but it's kind of the same thing as parents who can't face the thought of their kids knowing about (let alone having) sex, and so trying to pretend it doesn't exist or make it a taboo. They're GOING to find out from somebody, so you do best to take an active part in what they learn.
Done correctly, and safely, it can be a very fun family activity. Shooting, not sex.
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Start off by imaging you laying dead and some scumbag free to do the worst things imaginable to your wife and kids because you were not mentally prepared to stop him.
911 is useless when someone is breaking in as the saying goes "when seconds count police are minutes away".Also here is a tibit a lot of people dont know, police are not legally obligated to protect you.So if you call 911 they don't have to show up and if they don't nothing you can do about it.You also need to start thinking about getting your wife involved as you will not be around to protect her all the time.
All that said I think you are taking the right steps learn to shoot first and go from there.
PS here is another Forum I belong to that is more defense and gun oriented
http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/
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Being a Canadian I think I have a unique perspective. I personally say don't get a gun. Even though it could potentially prove useful in those very rare situations, there is much more probability of it harming you more than helping. What if your kids get into it? what if you get freaked out by an innocent person. Many people die each year due to accidents with firearms. The one problem wit guns is that guns breed more guns. I have never felt the need to carry a gun simply because little people carry guns here. If every second joe had one here id probably want one as well.
Many people on these forums are very pro gun and thats cool, but I think its important to get the message from the not so progun guy. Even though I dont care for guns myself, I don't feel it is my right to say others can't use them or collect them. Just like id hate it if people told me I couldnt use my knives
If you do decide to get one, please get some training too
As a gun-owning Canadian I raise the BS flag here. Your assertion that people having guns just breeds more guns is provably false as is your assertion that there are "many accidents with guns each year" - the majority of gun deaths in Canada are either suicides or criminal on criminal shootings. Do you honestly think that the law-abiding citizen not having a firearm is going to have any bearing whatsoever on this other than depriving him of a measure of safety???
I grew up with a house full of guns and my house is full of guns. The secret to doing this is not to attempt to childproof your guns but instead to gunproof your children - it's all about training and mindset. We have an air rifle range in our back yard that the neighborhood kids love to use (under supervision and with parental consent - several of the parents have gotten into shooting because of this). My 16 year old shoots IPSC and has for 4 years. My 13 year old starts this fall and both have been hunting since the age of 12, and I had each of them in the treestand on opening day of deer season when they were 5. They both shoot biathlon and service rifle competition and both are mature well-rounded kids. My wife shoots and hunts right along with the boys and it makes for some great family time - the only one in our house who doesn't shoot is the dog and when she sees the gun cases come out she gets so excited that she about wets herself...
My wife and kids?? They "get it" - if only the libtards living in Toronto and the big urban centers who want to ban everything that makes them flinch could do the same.
YMMV
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Well, I have to disagree with this statement. As I said, I have been a CCW permit holder for over 15 years. My daughter just turned 11 so she has literally grown up with me carrying a gun and having multiple other guns in the house. She has been educated from the time she was very young (probably 3) what a gun is, what it is for and NOT TO TOUCH ONE, whether in our house or someone else's.
Also as has been stated a couple of times, if your weapon is on you how on earth is your kid going to get at it? Mine is on me from from the time I get dressed in the morning until the time I get into bed at night. If I have someone else's kids over, it's still on, but I'm much more careful about it showing - like I am in public.
Anyway, guns are definitely not for everyone, and having guns AND kids in the house definitely requires some additional safeguards, precautions and awareness. But I'd rather have to deal with that than have to deal with the guilt of having my wife and/or daughter violated or murdered because I chose to let them become victims by not arming myself. I made a promise to myself a long time ago to do my best to protect myself and my family and in my case, a big part of that is arming myself at all times. I think my wife and daughter appreciate that as well.
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Well, I have to disagree with this statement. As I said, I have been a CCW permit holder for over 15 years. My daughter just turned 11 so she has literally grown up with me carrying a gun and having multiple other guns in the house. She has been educated from the time she was very young (probably 3) what a gun is, what it is for and NOT TO TOUCH ONE, whether in our house or someone else's.
Also as has been stated a couple of times, if your weapon is on you how on earth is your kid going to get at it? Mine is on me from from the time I get dressed in the morning until the time I get into bed at night. If I have someone else's kids over, it's still on, but I'm much more careful about it showing - like I am in public.
Anyway, guns are definitely not for everyone, and having guns AND kids in the house definitely requires some additional safeguards, precautions and awareness. But I'd rather have to deal with that than have to deal with the guilt of having my wife and/or daughter violated or murdered because I chose to let them become victims by not arming myself. I made a promise to myself a long time ago to do my best to protect myself and my family and in my case, a big part of that is arming myself at all times. I think my wife and daughter appreciate that as well.
my child (just turned 12) has be taught the same,I have a 12ga. ready to go in the closet in my living room ,I dont feel the need to have a Semi auto pistol strapped to me to do yard work or reading a book all other firearms are in the gunsafe. Now when other kids come over I remove the 12ga and place it in the safe as well out of respect for some families who have not taught there children respect of a firearm. different views is what makes the world go round.
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I ve grown up treating all the guns, chain saws, power tools, explosives, axes, knives, and other very dangerous objects the same way. Guns are no more likely to injure you than any of those items, and of the list probably the safest. If you don't need to use it, don't mess with it. And if you do need it, know how to use it.
As far as getting to it in an emergency, I don't buy the shotgun useless charge. I've had ovcassion to need it, but being aware and having good coverage with motion lights helps. Having a gun within seconds can be useful, but even in my paranoid state, I'm still of the opinion a will have time in most cases to get to a closet. As for the thug at the door thing, if I suspect anything. I don't open it grab the shotty and wait for them to leave.
To the above poster suggesting an ar. I think that makes a poor first time SD weapon. Any kind of home invasion shooting would hopefully be a one shot situation, not a gunfight. If your using 90 rounds on a burgler you've pissed the wrong people off. And, that said, my ammo bag for my shotgun does quite handily carry 100 rounds, and I'm quite proficent at loading it.
As far as getting to it in an emergency, I don't buy the shotgun useless charge. I've had ovcassion to need it, but being aware and having good coverage with motion lights helps. Having a gun within seconds can be useful, but even in my paranoid state, I'm still of the opinion a will have time in most cases to get to a closet. As for the thug at the door thing, if I suspect anything. I don't open it grab the shotty and wait for them to leave.
To the above poster suggesting an ar. I think that makes a poor first time SD weapon. Any kind of home invasion shooting would hopefully be a one shot situation, not a gunfight. If your using 90 rounds on a burgler you've pissed the wrong people off. And, that said, my ammo bag for my shotgun does quite handily carry 100 rounds, and I'm quite proficent at loading it.
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Absolutely brother. No disrespect or hard feelings meant - just like you said, different views and ways of doing things as well as different circumstances and life experience. :thumbup:
no disrepect taken Brother ! we are good :thumbup:
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:thumbup::thumbup: on a pump shot gun (Mossberg. or Rem.) Just the universal noise from chambering a round is a great deterent.
should be the criminals expression, if he is wise enough to know what happens next.
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One thing I realize we've glossed over/ missed.
Even with the best firearms and training, there is no replacement for a simple alarm system, warning motion lights, and best of all a good dog. Doesn't even have to be a large breed. I used to laugh at little dogs. Moved in with a girlfriend who had two doxxies. No good in an attack, but they were the best early warning dogs I'd seen. Loud barking didn't hurt either
Even with the best firearms and training, there is no replacement for a simple alarm system, warning motion lights, and best of all a good dog. Doesn't even have to be a large breed. I used to laugh at little dogs. Moved in with a girlfriend who had two doxxies. No good in an attack, but they were the best early warning dogs I'd seen. Loud barking didn't hurt either