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Tip Up Disaster (graphic content)

I had a Benchmade 975 (Emerson) back in the day. A friend and I were training Pekiti-Tirsia, got a little carried away and transitioned into a groundfight LOL. I forgot about the 975 and when I began to hip out (shrimping) I felt something cold and odd on my right butt cheek. Knife had moved over and the blade wasn't against the pocket anymore as I hipped out. When I did it again it opened and slashed the back pocket of my Propper BDU's while sticking me in the ass. Not deep, but enough to make me stand up REAL fast.....
Glad you had luck on your side.
 
evanPGH said:
Just remember from now on to make sure that those tip up folders have the top of the blade facing the pant seam and you'll be golden.

Love your avatar, BTW. :thumbup:
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Yep after this little adventure I will make sure every time. :o
All my other folders are smaller and have more friction so there it was never required and never caused any issue (or I just got lucky for many years [am 35])
The Adamas is a class of its own. The heavy blade and super smooth opening combined taught me a lesson on the first day carrying it.
Will make sure with my other two current edc folders as well even if the Native and Endura are much lighter and require much more force to open.

I guess you know what my Avatar is. :) Got the tsuba 10 years ago from some auction site to fit on my Katana but then liked it too much to widen the hole.
 
If someone were to wear a folder with any sort of regularity, I would think that they would want to prevent it from opening by, for example, either treading a cable strip over the knife and trapping it in the clip (So it can be taken on and off.), or use velcro tape in the same way. (The type that comes with a hook and loop pair.)
 
The axis lock has big pros and big cons. Every axis knife I have handled has been able to be wrist flipped open. I'm sure with the hefty blade the adamas is even easier.

By the way, are the omega springs proportional to the beefed up axis?
 
That's a ugly near miss that could have went really badly

Having the blade up against the seam in the pocket helps so the pocket edge helps keep it closed. So for that situation swapping the clip to the other side of the rear of the handle.

Also check the blade retention, I've noticed that the Axis lock springs have a very hard time with the larger/heavier blades. My Contego has very poor retention, weak enough I'd never carry it. Sent it in, and came back the same way, so it sits on a shelf till I either sell it, or make some custom stronger springs for it. My Rift on the other hand, has great retention.
 
ToddM and ALLHSS
ALLHSS said:
The axis lock has big pros and big cons. Every axis knife I have handled has been able to be wrist flipped open. I'm sure with the hefty blade the adamas is even easier.

By the way, are the omega springs proportional to the beefed up axis?
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Weak springs could actually be the problem. Right now there is almost no blade retention. All it takes is a force of 3.7 ounces to make the blade come out all the way. :eek:
If however I push the axis lock in the direction where the springs pull it, then the blade retention becomes much better. Thus it seems logical that stronger springs should solve that problem.
 
Always thought back-pocket carry was a great way to lose a knife. Apparently now there is something else to worry about...
 
I'd be mad if i was you, those 5.11s aint cheap. Ive always been indifferent of the Axis, its cool and fun to play with but in my experience its not that great. i was horsing around with friends once and pulled my griptillian out and jokingly(closed of course) chased after my friend, after running for 30 secs or so i noticed the blade was halfway open, that coulda also ended up bad. Which led me to realize that if you hold it upside down and give it a few flicks the blade falls open fairly easy. Also both my Griptillian and my cousins Triage started having slight side to side play after 5-6 months. Personally I think blaming his incident on human error and comparing it to wearing a shirt backwards is idiotic and irrelevant, if somethings designed well and up to the task you shouldn't have to worry and think about minuscule stuff like "if i dont clip it in the exact right place will it open on me?" you can expect that from a $5 gas station knife but not a $150 knife that comes off as a hard use military knife. I know my fiance carries in her back pocket like that, and even clips it her front pocket and turns it so its almost laying sideways since chick pants have tiny pockets. You shouldnt have to rely on your pants to keep your knife closed. My brother has been deciding between a couple ZT's and an Adamas so ill defently be showing him this. Good Post.
 
Loose pivot pins... yep, guys that want to flick 'em out will do that, also decreases the viability of the detent.

I've had liner locks open in my pockets too.

It's been stated before in the thread, but keep the spine against the seam of the pocket. When you open a knife and realize that it opens easily, kinda makes more sense to keep it in a position where it won't open when you don't want it to. Just like guys that just stuff pistols in their jeans aimed straight at the bait and tackle without considering they have a round chambered and only a trigger for safety.

Axis lock is one of the best things out there for us left handed people, I'd be hard pressed to find a fault with it.
 
THIS IS WHY I CAN'T STAND TIP UP CARRY.

Also it takes two seperate moves with the fingers to deploy a tip up folder. Whereas a tip down carry can be deployed a lot faster.

Man I just got a benchmade that is tip down carry only and I love it.

I am forced to carry tip up knives because people make them popular and so manufacturers will continue designing them. But I also got sliced 3x by tip up knives.

How many times was I cut trying to deploy a tip down carry knife? NONE!
 
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I have a Spyderco salsa that I won't carry anymore because of that, never cut my pants but it woke me up more than once when reaching into my pocket for cash or change.
I did switch the clip to put the blade against the pocket and due to the short size of the salsa it still came open.

I'm knocking on wood now(desk) I've carried in my back right pocket for over 20 tears and haven't lost all my knives. I have had a few come out of my pockets over the years tho, maybe 2 or 3, didn't lose them tho,

I did brake the clip on a Tim Wegner Spyderco, pulled the screws right out.

I agree, it shouldn't come open that easy, send it back see if they'll fix it before you do cut yourself or someone else.
 
It shouldn't matter if it's tip up or tip down or if the pocket orientation helps keep it closed (though the reality is that's a good additional safety factor), companies should be making knives with enough blade security/retention to stay closed in a pocket even during activity, period.

The axis is a double edged sword if you try and tighten the pivot. On the one hand that does make it harder to open, but if the blade moves easily the Axis has spring tension to re-close and re-secure the blade. However if the blade pivot is too tight it can work itself further open incrementally during activity. My Rift will re-close itself for about the first 1" of opening and my Contego over the first 1.5" of opening if the blade can move freely.

The answer is stronger Omega springs so it doesn't open unintentionally in the first place, however that request appears to continually fall on deaf ears at Benchmade.
 
neverdie36 said:
Always carry with the blade pushed against the pocket.
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You just learned something very important, friend. And I'm glad you didn't get hurt. Carry the knife pushed to the right-hand position in your pocket, toward your right-rear...blade cannot open.
 
When I read the title of the thread I was expecting to at least see some stitches ;)

Glad only the pants got cut. Lucky for your kid and you!
 
When I read the title of the thread I was expecting to at least see some stitches ;)

Glad only the pants got cut. Lucky for your kid and you!
 
with my assisted knives I am careful to put the blade against the pocket edge. I have had assisted knives open in my pocket. Flippers too. Axis lock knives do open easily with a bump or tap in my experience. .

Tightening the pivot will help with this.
 
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