Tip Up Disaster (graphic content)

[Tripton]

THIS IS WHY I CAN'T STAND TIP UP CARRY.

Also it takes two seperate moves with the fingers to deploy a tip up folder. Whereas a tip down carry can be deployed a lot faster.

Man I just got a benchmade that is tip down carry only and I love it.

I am forced to carry tip up knives because people make them popular and so manufacturers will continue designing them. But I also got sliced 3x by tip up knives.

How many times was I cut trying to deploy a tip down carry knife? NONE!

You have pretty little princess hands, do ya?

I don't have to readjust grip in tip-up. I've only ever had tip DOWN open in my pocket.



Hell, I won't even consider buying a tip down carry knife anymore.

 

[Rasco]

Yeah I'm not familiar with this exact model of pants, but it looks like you are carrying it in your back pocket, like where your wallet should go...?
If you had been carrying this in your front right pocket and had it backed up to the seam, the blade would have had no place to go.
Consider changing up your carry pocket..?

 

[bjornkeizers]

I'd like to point something out.

The Adamas folder actually COMES WITH A SHEATH. There is a reason for that.

As the poster found out, the Adamas is very easy to open. I can flick it out with zero effort. So yes, if you carry it in an unsafe manner, it will literally bite you in the ass.

Military people would most likely actually use the sheath or an appropriately small pocket to carry it.

 

[Goosey]

I prefer tip down anyways. Faster and more secure deployment.

 

[powernoodle]

should I put my shirt on front ways or backwards

Dang it! My life would have been so much easier over the past 51 years if I had known that the buttons could go in the front. Thanks!

 

[Franciscomv]

Suddenly I my feelings about the very strong detent on my ZT 0550 have changed...

I'm sorry for the pants, but glad you didn't get hurt. I've got an Adamas, and it does flick open rather easily.

 

[TheModernNeanderthal]

Dang it! My life would have been so much easier over the past 51 years if I had known that the buttons could go in the front. Thanks!

Glad I could help :thumbup:

 

[RevDevil]

ToddM and ALLHSS

Weak springs could actually be the problem. Right now there is almost no blade retention. All it takes is a force of 3.7 ounces to make the blade come out all the way.
If however I push the axis lock in the direction where the springs pull it, then the blade retention becomes much better. Thus it seems logical that stronger springs should solve that problem.

That is nothing to do with the Omega spring and everything to do with a very loose pivot. You also might consider using the sheath that came with the knife.

 

[Skimo]

That is nothing to do with the Omega spring and everything to do with a very loose pivot. You also might consider using the sheath that came with the knife.

I said the same in post #31.

 

[RevDevil]

I said the same in post #31.

I'm late to the party,

 

[EZ Bake]

The back right pocket on 5.11 Tac Pants is for carrying your Walther PPS (Dude - you've got a dedicated pocket in the front of those pants for your folder).

There's your problem, right there!

BTW, I love those pants - I've got those, Blackhawk, Woolrich and True-Spec and the 5.11s are absolutely my favorite.



Seriously, before I'll ever clip a knife tip-up without the blade against the back pocket, I'd clip it to one of the cargo-pockets (or it it's that big of a deal that you can be that diverse with your carry, just get another clip from Benchmade so you've got one on both sides of the knife - then you can clip it anywhere).

 

[Jens Schuetz]

I'd like to point something out.

The Adamas folder actually COMES WITH A SHEATH. There is a reason for that.

As the poster found out, the Adamas is very easy to open. I can flick it out with zero effort. So yes, if you carry it in an unsafe manner, it will literally bite you in the ass.

Military people would most likely actually use the sheath or an appropriately small pocket to carry it.

It actually COMES WITH A CLIP TOO.
Probably just to secure it in the sheath?

 

[Jens Schuetz]

That is nothing to do with the Omega spring and everything to do with a very loose pivot. You also might consider using the sheath that came with the knife.

Stronger springs would help.
As I said pushing the lock in the direction where the springs are pulling it, increases blade retention. I tightened the pivot and all it does is increase the resistance during the whole opening process. Now that's not bad but best would be to have a higher resistance before the blade leaves the handle and less when it's out. This way it stays in as long as I don't deploy it and once I do it comes out nice fast. Stronger springs would do that. Increase the initial resistance (blade retention) but not interfere once the blade comes out.
When I pull out all my other folders' blades for 1 inch or more they jump back into the handle. The Adamas doesn't have any force pulling it back.
Without that initial retention even a tightened pivot would let the blade wiggle itself out little by little. Either that's a characteristic of Axis locks in general (have only one) or it's only happening on the Adamas model or my particular copy of it? Stronger springs would work for me.

 

[Drew Riley]

You have pretty little princess hands, do ya?

I don't have to readjust grip in tip-up. I've only ever had tip DOWN open in my pocket.



Hell, I won't even consider buying a tip down carry knife anymore.

I've almost always carried tip up simply because I think it's easier to deploy then tip down.
In fact, I find myself slightly re-adjusting for tip down rather than tip up.

There are actually several knives I like, but will not buy because thay are tip down only.

At any rate the blade always goes against the pocket. If anything, it gives me clearance to put other things in my knife pocket.

 

[colubrid]

I have been carrying pocket clip knives since 1981 and for the life of me I cannot undertand why anyone would want to or prefer tip up carry (unless your first 10 knives were made tip up and you just got used to the flaw). Tip down assures you won';t get cut and deployment is faster and easier. Not that a .02 of a second make a difference. just why make things harder and also risk the cuts reaching into a pocket of a detent spring or looser pivot screw when a tip down carry you won't have to worry about that and where to place the knife against you pocket ect ect ect..

These threads always appear because of the problem with tip up carry. I am sure there are lot more accidents that people do not report and see on a thread everyday that do not post. IMO tip up is a poor design and nothing else.

 

[colubrid]

You have pretty little princess hands, do ya?


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Like I am going to argue logic with a guy who feels the need to call someone princess hands without even knowing him. LOL!

 

[spketch]

Jens I'm glad neither you nor your kid was cut. That could have been much worse so consider yourself lucky.

I prefer tip up carry myself, always with the blade against the pcket seem. I've only had one knife come open in my pocket and it was a tip down flipper. Getting a half open knife out of my pocket without a cut was a delicate operation but I managed. Never again.

Most people here seem to prefer a knife that can be easily and quickly flipped open. Now that they're giving us what we wanted, folks are complaining that their knives open too easily. I don't see how we can have both a super strong detent and a flickable blade at the same time.

 

[Tripton]

Like I am going to argue logic.

Like you could.


You will notice that there was a question mark at the end of my previous sentence...


I have large hands. There is no need to shuffle the knife around in my hand before opening it. My 19 month old daughter would have trouble, but she is too young to carry a knife.

 

[Allen R.]

You just learned something very important, friend. And I'm glad you didn't get hurt. Carry the knife pushed to the right-hand position in your pocket, toward your right-rear...blade cannot open.

As everyone else said time 1,000 , Be glad you had the knife in your back pocket , because had it been in the front and the blade not pushed up against your pocket you might of cut something off that you love very very much. glad all is well though. Oh yeah people do realize that benchmades with the Axis lock are are tip up carry only right so he doesn't have a choice in the matter.

 

[Drew Riley]

I have been carrying pocket clip knives since 1981 and for the life of me I cannot undertand why anyone would want to or prefer tip up carry (unless your first 10 knives were made tip up and you just got used to the flaw). Tip down assures you won';t get cut and deployment is faster and easier. Not that a .02 of a second make a difference. just why make things harder and also risk the cuts reaching into a pocket of a detent spring or looser pivot screw when a tip down carry you won't have to worry about that and where to place the knife against you pocket ect ect ect..

These threads always appear because of the problem with tip up carry. I am sure there are lot more accidents that people do not report and see on a thread everyday that do not post. IMO tip up is a poor design and nothing else.

I own, and have carried dozens of tip up carry knives, in both front AND rear pockets, as well as a couple of other configurations, and have NEVER cut myself reaching for it. Maybe I'm in the lucky minority.

Has the knife ever partially opened in my pocket? Maybe a couple of times. But if the knife is pushed back agaist your pocket, the only thing you might cut is your pocket.

As for speed, the fastest knives (those with a "wave" feature) are actually designed around the concept of tip up carry.

Personally, wave or not, I tend to draw and open as fast, if not faster, with a tip up carry than I do tip down. That said, I do have relatively large hands.

When drawing tip up, I tend to pinch the bottom (clipped portion) of the knife between my palm and ring finger (or depending on clip style, I'll index my ring and middle fingers against the clip), while also indexing my thumb at the pivot of the knife. As I clear the pocket, I then obtain a full grip, where I'm already in position to use the thumb stud.

For tip down, I pinch the pivot between my thumb and index finger, and as I draw, rotate the knife into my palm for a full grip where, again, I'm able to use the thumb stud.

For me, one method isn't any more difficult than the other, I suppose I'm just used to the former.