Did you just say you find axis locks slow? have you ever seen or used an axis lock? they can be deployed and retracted faster than an Automatic knife. EASILY twice the speed of any frame or liner lock - and your fingers dont need to be anywhere near the blade. You might want to do a bit of research or real world testing there.
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Titanium framelocks - are they used to much in todays knifeindustry?
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Did you just say you find axis locks slow? have you ever seen or used an axis lock? they can be deployed and retracted faster than an Automatic knife. EASILY twice the speed of any frame or liner lock - and your fingers dont need to be anywhere near the blade. You might want to do a bit of research or real world testing there.
I want to like titanium frame locks, I really do. I find their design beautiful. The simplicity and elegance of the frame being the scale AND the lock, all from one slab of wonder metal, it appeals to me very much. My reasons for not yet owning one are traction and weight. I want more of the former and less of the latter. Also, thermal conductivity is a concern, not wanting to grab a knife that has been outdoors and burn or freeze my hand. Still, I'm tempted mightily by the Mantra 1, and may one day buy one.
Maybe it's just mine but by the time I've tightened the pivot enough to remove side to side blade play, the axis lock knives have become very slow/tight to open/close. By the time the action is smooth/free the pivot is too loose and there is side to side play. So I would argue that the samples I have owned would be no faster to open/close than a good frame lock. If the fit on yours is different, that may not be true for you.
That's fair enough, perhaps you had one that was a bit of a lemon, it's a shame the action on all knives is different. So far i've had nothing but silky smooth AXIS locks with zero play anywhere, hope that doesn't change in future *TOUCH WOOD*
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With the exception of all Ti knives I think they're ugly.
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Another advantage is a cleaner design. With a stud you lose deep slicing at that point of the blade, with a hole you end up with gunk in it, again when deep slicing (or spreading). With a flipper you have a clean cutting surface for the entirety of the cutting edge. Just my experience specifically when working with food.
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I have Four expensive framelock knives, one i had to send back two times to get it fixed and once to return it, no lock tension
The other is apparently machined wrong or something, it only contacts the tang with a corner, put a dent in CTS 204p, i can push it over all the way
They are a downright pain in the ass to use compared to a good axis or button lock, not to mention the total lack of numbers in the "how much can a framelock hold" threads
The other is apparently machined wrong or something, it only contacts the tang with a corner, put a dent in CTS 204p, i can push it over all the way
They are a downright pain in the ass to use compared to a good axis or button lock, not to mention the total lack of numbers in the "how much can a framelock hold" threads
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Oh god why would you do that with a folder
I only have one framelock, a Spyderco Dice. Best folder I've ever had. Part of that is due to other factors, like the ergonomics, steel, titanium frame, and blade shape, but the framelock certainly isn't a negative. Before I tried the Dice, I was a dyed in the wool backlock man.
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You're kidding right? I cut food every single day with my pocket knife. The examples I posted above are relevant even to something as simple as cutting an apple (deep slicing). Should a folder not be used to cut an apple, some meat or a cake? I bought one of my employees a cream cake for their birthday, cut it with my Skeletool, took forever getting the cream out of those holes.
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I've been pretty lucky with the Axis locks I've had, though I haven't bought a new one in over a dozen years. They are very fast and easy to one-hand open/close.
I've often seen people post that CRKs are slow to open, but I can open my CRK large Insingo and small Inkosi knives pretty fast...as fast or faster than many autos, if I choose to. Not as quickly as an Axis locking knife, but to me that split-second difference is negligible in real-life usage anyway. I generally choose not to do speed openings at all. In my daily use, I don't need my knife with lightning quickness, and even with an Axis lock, I wouldn't want to consistently flick it open/closed at top speed as a regular routine, as that simply wears out parts faster.
Not only that, but if there's ever some type of sudden emergency where you need your knife NOW, I also doubt that split-second difference in speed of deployment would be much of an advantage. If the emergency were that stress-inducing, in all likelihood you would lose much of the fine coordination you have during normal, non-stressful moments. Then trying to open your knife super-fast could result in messing up the opening or even dropping the knife. Sometimes (relatively) slower can actually be faster and better (and safer).
Jim
I've often seen people post that CRKs are slow to open, but I can open my CRK large Insingo and small Inkosi knives pretty fast...as fast or faster than many autos, if I choose to. Not as quickly as an Axis locking knife, but to me that split-second difference is negligible in real-life usage anyway. I generally choose not to do speed openings at all. In my daily use, I don't need my knife with lightning quickness, and even with an Axis lock, I wouldn't want to consistently flick it open/closed at top speed as a regular routine, as that simply wears out parts faster.
Not only that, but if there's ever some type of sudden emergency where you need your knife NOW, I also doubt that split-second difference in speed of deployment would be much of an advantage. If the emergency were that stress-inducing, in all likelihood you would lose much of the fine coordination you have during normal, non-stressful moments. Then trying to open your knife super-fast could result in messing up the opening or even dropping the knife. Sometimes (relatively) slower can actually be faster and better (and safer).
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There are very, very few knives with thumbstuds I care for. Hole or flipper are just so much better.
Most thumbstuds either bother my arthritis, are hard to get traction on (Sebenza), or are plain uncomfortable.
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Most thumbstuds either bother my arthritis, are hard to get traction on (Sebenza), or are plain uncomfortable.
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Frame Locks and Liner locks are my favorite locks overall.
Same here, and by a wide margin for me.
I'll carry a Traditional lockback, and at times a PM2 with Compression lock because I like the model. But other those that I'm not going to carry anything other than Frame and Liner locks.
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That statement makes zero sense.
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I don't even carry those.
Never could get used to the Compression lock, I do like the model overall though.
My all-time favorite liner lock knife is the Spyderco Military, period. Back in the '90s I carried an AFCK a lot as well.
As far as the compression lock, I have a PM2, and think it's a great design, but for some odd reason I can't seem to 'bond' with it; it's never really grown on me. And I have mixed feelings about the compression lock. I like the Military and its liner lock over the PM2 by a WIDE margin.
Jim
As far as the compression lock, I have a PM2, and think it's a great design, but for some odd reason I can't seem to 'bond' with it; it's never really grown on me. And I have mixed feelings about the compression lock. I like the Military and its liner lock over the PM2 by a WIDE margin.
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I hate frame/liner locks. I've only ever had cheap ones before, so maybe the $$$ customs are different, but I've had cheap lockbacks too and never had any issue.
I agree with much of the op, they always seem to lock too early or too late or stick or slip and otherwise do not inspire confidence. Of course you have your band aid fixes as described in the OP, but I'm happier with something that just works right from the beginning.
I like lockbacks and axis locks.
I agree with much of the op, they always seem to lock too early or too late or stick or slip and otherwise do not inspire confidence. Of course you have your band aid fixes as described in the OP, but I'm happier with something that just works right from the beginning.
I like lockbacks and axis locks.
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Hi. I find most of the actual Ti frame locks smart and refined. I appreciate the neat scale cut outs and, generally, I feel safe handling a well-executed frame lock. I also dont like most of the gadgets coming with some frame-locks (over-travel stops, rotoblocks, etc.). The well-made ones do not need them. I dont find frame-locks more sticky than other locks, on my average sampling. From my own little experience stickiness is equally spread in all the lock types , I dont care so much about it, in most of the cases. I am probably very out of the mainstream thinking but, for my use, a bit of stickiness can be not necessarily a defect . I agree they are a bit too many lately and becoming a bit trivial in my own taste.
Here the ones I currently own:
, I dont care so much about it, in most of the cases. I am probably very out of the mainstream thinking but, for my use, a bit of stickiness can be not necessarily a defect . I agree they are a bit too many lately and becoming a bit trivial in my own taste. Here the ones I currently own:
It makes 100% perfect sense. What are you struggling with there? "twice" meaning 2, meaning you can open and close and axis lock 2 times in the time it takes to open and close (safely) many frame locks. Pretty sure it made perfect sense, you're just trying to disagree with the statement because you might love liner and frame locks.
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