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lynno,

According to Tim Herman, in the telephone in a conversation a few months back, you are the one that went back and forth between talking to me and talking on the chat room, to make sure thing stayed riled up on the chat room. Tim Herman also told me that you took him aside to make sure you told him my first name, and made fun of it (Julious to any that are curious)
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one final post before i try and forget i ever met you...

all that crap you brought up from our phone conversation months ago, about which you promised me you would never bring it up again after our first little confrontation, i see your word isnt worth anything either.

trying to get sympathy and make me look like the bad guy again does fit right into your methods of hosing people and distorting the truth!

i also broke a promise to you that i wouldnt bring your name up on the forums again, but after ptalfalfa brought your little sideshow back here i could no longer keep quiet and stand by and watch this bullsht happen again.

i have been in the knife business for over 23 years now and i have put alot of time and myself into it and have tried to show honesty and integrity with dealing with customers and other makers alike. but when i see a lying dishonest egotistical little jerk preying upon uneducated new buyers and collectors it just really irks me bad! you make the whole custom knife business look bad with your actions. if you and your little cult keep your sidesow forum to yourselves fine, but trying to spread your lying crap all over the knife business sucks!

i would have thought by now people would have seen through your stunts but unfortunately many have not. such as your claiming crkt ripped of your wharncliff design and i am sure you think others have "stole" your amazing designs too know your huge ego! well pal, that and most other blade designs have been around for centuries! i know i sure havent come up with any completely new blade designs inmy 23 years of designing and making knives and i was a commercial designer and illustrator for 20 years!

then you have badmouthed other makers saying your knives were better, particular bob dozier who i belive could make a far better knife than you in his sleep! bob is honest, hard working and truthful about his knives, maybe you should try to emulate him rather than insult him!!

another lame stunt is having to have orders for a model you want pics of because you just cant find time to make one for that purpose?? what about your "2 year" wait??? if you cant possibly get to it for 2 years why worry about a photo for advertising now?? please explain this one to me
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then on your forum knife for $400, the customer dont even get to pick which wood he wants on the handle?? this is simply amazing and i dont think i even want to hear an explanation for this one!

your forum is another amazing thing. funny how anything at all negative about your knives got deleted immediately! and usually that person was then banned from your forums. if i get negative comments on my knives, thats how i learn to improve, guess you are perfect already huh?

there are so many things to cover here but nobody has listend yet, but i have really had enough of this. to me you are a shyster, a liar and i am sorry you have picked the knife business as the place to feed your colossal ego. i also know you will try and turn this around and make me the bad guy again. so be it, but somehow in the end people do discover the truth as after so many stories to cover your lies, they do come shining through.

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[This message has been edited by HermanKnives (edited 10-29-2000).]
 
ere ya go timmy.tell it like it is.
400 bucks and a 2 year wait.<---shaking head in disgust
 
Lynn quote:
Richard,
You are the one that suggested I raise the price of my Tracker to $225, the price of my Patrolman to $180, and the price of my Sniper to $190. I listened to you because I trusted you, I was not making a profit at the price I was selling them, and I was getting more orders coming in that month than I could make in a 4 month period. (BTW, your advise was good. According to Tim Herman, in the telephone in a conversation a few months back, you are the one that went back and forth between talking to me and talking on the chat room, to make sure thing stayed riled up on the chat room. Tim Herman also told me that you took him aside to make sure you told him my first name, and made fun of it (Julious to any that are curious). You are also the one that has been to my house, I have been to your house. I considered you at a time to be my very best friend, all the while according to Tim Herman (and evidence seems to indicate he was right) that you were playing a game. You are also the one that had very quick sell for all your griffith knives when you went to sell them. Seems to me that if the value was not there, you would not been able to sell them used. Your post saddens me greatly, becuase at one time I thought you were the best friend I had ever had.
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Lynn Griffith-Knifemaker
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Yep, after speaking with you I agreed that 225 and the other prices you listed would be reasonable prices. I figured everything you told me about the time invested and other factors of making them were accurate, and that your process for making knives was average. As I stated, I have since done alot of learning and speaking with others much more knowledgable than myself. Knowing what I know now, and learning much from reading and speaking with makers and users, and examining others work, I have since come to the conclusion that the info I had at the time was quite limited. Way to many people I have spoken with, who know how it works have stated that 14 hours or so to make one of your blades is most unreasonable, that time was stated by you. The time to hand rub the blades for an additional 8 hours was also questioned, and thought to be way out of the norm. Therefor, the Patrolman I had with the satin finish would have taken 22 hours to make? As I said, most of my knowledge about customs, and why yours were supposed to be better came from you, and I listened to you only, while ignoring advise from alot of other people who tried to educate me.
I also said many good things about your knives. Many of my posts were at your request. Asking or 'suggesting' to go say something on bladeforums, and 'suggesting' to find a good post and bring it back to the top, and the fact that I actually would do the posts at your urging was questionable on both our parts. I have yet to have another maker whose work I have ask me to do a good review, or go find good posts about them and BTTT. I can say though, that the good merits of your knives are true, handle comfort, overall design and usefulness of the finished product are good, but 'suggesting' to write that, saying to keep the post alive as long as possible is not acceptable, either on your part for asking, or my part for doing.

Asking me to limit the pics I posted was also offensive now that I think about it. I did one picture of a Patrolman I think, with the back side of the kydex sheath showing. At the time you were using fasteners where one side looked like spokes sticking out (dont know what they are called) and was told by you to not photograph that side anymore as some maybe put off from ordering if they were seen, and that they would be more likely to accept the sheath that way once they had ordered the knife and took delivery.

I was moderator of your forum for some time, and I saw so many posts deleted that were not 100% positive. Forums have negative things on them, IMO it is not proper to delete something just because it doesnt put you in the most positive light, although its your forum, so I suppose you can do that. IMO your ego gos everywhere from your knifemaing to you personally. Asking my 13 year old daughter 'Im cute, arent I ? " or asking me "dont you think its cool to know a fairly famous maker like me? " should probably have made me think twice then, but it didnt. I was to busy listening to you rave about why your knives were worth more than Dozier, Livesay, and others. I believed it and therefore didnt pay much attention to other makers, that was my fault...as the old saying gos 'theres one born every minute', guess I was one of them.

Yep, I told you what was said in the chat room, no secret there, I told everybody in the chat room how you found out, although they pretty much knew that already. This came at the time you said Ed Halligan and CRKT ripped off the Sniper design from you. When you told me the details of why you thought that, I thought it was all true, and I blasted Tim and Kit and all others that questioned you. I finally listened to reason and knew discovered that CRKT did not rip off your design, and for you to accuse them otherwise, and for me to back you on that from your word alone is again, questionable on both our parts. But, thats not the only design you feel was stolen is it? Thats the one you went public with though. So the revelation that I told you what was said in chat is old news, and is even printed by me in another old post somewhere. Telling him your first name, tasteless joke, my apologies, but I know you and Tim spoke, he told me he called you, or you called him, I dont remember.

Yes, I sold my collection quite fast, at a very considerable loss. We know where the blue one went. The other satin finished one with the white handle I gave to a friend of mine. The rest were sold in pakage deals at far less than what they cost, but, that person wanted the knives, and I wanted to sell them, done deal.

I seem to have idolized you as a maker, taking as gosphel everything you told me about your knives and their quality and manufacture, and I also took literally the bad points of other makers knives you voiced without really taking the time to learn for myself, my bad.

This post seems to have somehwat gotten into the subject of your knife values, so right or wrong, I commented. You want to get into yours and Tims phone conversation to re-hash the old chat room fiasco, which is public knowledge anyways, fine, I can do that too.

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Richard
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I agree moving to Good bad and ugly.
(the ugly greek)

[This message has been edited by Gus Kalanzis (edited 10-30-2000).]
 
Don't hold back Tim. Tell us what you really think.
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Here are some phrases you might find useful in expressing your thoughts. Feel free to use any of them. Obviously not all of them will fit this particular situation but some might be appropriate.

1. Well, aren't we just a ray of f*cking sunshine?
2. Not the brightest crayon in the box now, are we?
3. A hard-on doesn't count as personal growth.
4. Do I look like a f*cking people person?
5. This isn't an office. It's Hell with fluorescent lighting.
6. If I wanted to hear the pitter-patter of little feet, I'd put shoes on my cat.
7. Did the aliens forget to remove your anal probe?
8. Let me show you how the guards used to do it.
9. And your crybaby whiny-assed opinion would be ...?
10. Sarcasm is just one more service we offer.
11. Whatever kind of look you were going for, you missed.
12. Do they ever shut up on your planet?
13. I'm trying to imagine you with a personality.
14. I can't remember if I'm the good twin or the evil one.
15. How many times do I have to flush before you go away?
16. You say I'm a b*tch like it's a bad thing.
17. Can I trade this job for what's behind door #2?
18. Nice perfume. Must you marinate in it?
19. You look like sh*t. Is that the style now?
20. Aw, did I step on your poor little bitty ego?
21. It must be awful hard to hear with your head up you ass.
22. I'd agree with you if you were right, but your not.
 
Lynn can`t make Tim look like a bad guy. Only Tim can make Tim look like a bad guy. I thought people were over having a cow every time the topic of Lynn came up around here. I guess not. Tim, you oughta try ignoring Lynn for a change. You`ll live longer.
 
Originally posted by storyville:
So I guess this is it for the Herman-Griffith-Chang collaboration?
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I think they will still be collaborating on cutting remarks.
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Hoodoo

I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM
 
I was waiting for you to post, SteveB...LOL.
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Richard <--- I think you are holding back: UNLOAD the BOMB. " The truth shall set you free".
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I'll have to catch up on this later on in chat.
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Ray 'md2020'

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steve b

i dont recall addressing this post to you so please stay out of it.

if i look bad defending the business of knifemaking because of some peoples actions then so be it. but i addressed this to lynn and not you or is he again using his spokesmen instead of responding himself?
 
If you addressed this to Lynn, then why is it not a private email to Lynn?

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Danbo, soul brother of Rambo
 
This thread seems to be a continuation of http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001631.html on the Custom Knives forum. After that thread was locked this one was started, also on the Custom forum, and later it was moved here to TGBU.

I suppose the next step is to move it to Whine & Cheese? Sheesh.... This discussion really belongs on Lynn Griffith's forum http://pub5.ezboard.com/flynngriffithknivesforumspecialforumknife in my opinion, but it can't take place there so I guess TGBU is probably the most appropriate of the places available....

Some of these posts bear a resemblance to personal attacks, gentlebeings. Can we try a little harder to express our thoughts in more acceptable form? Just the facts, gentlebeings, just post the facts as you see them and have a little faith in the ability of readers to form their own opinions, once they're acquainted with the facts.

-Cougar :{)
 
Originally posted by HermanKnives:
steve b

i dont recall addressing this post to you so please stay out of it.

if i look bad defending the business of knifemaking because of some peoples actions then so be it. but i addressed this to lynn and not you or is he again using his spokesmen instead of responding himself?
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Hmmm...I think that would be a subtle variation on #9 with overtones of #1 thrown in but it's difficult to say exactly.
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Or it could be just a straight #12.

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Hoodoo

I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM

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Catching up with what's been posted while I was researching my post above ... if we start telling people to stay out of it where are we going to stop? Some people might argue that the only people who have a right to post on this forum are customers who have experiences with a maker to report, and of course the maker himself if he wishes to respond. I prefer to let everybody join in the discussion. It's not easy to see any place you might draw the line in between those two positions....

-Cougar :{)
 
Having kept up with the mess from the start.... Lynn has PUBLICLY said some pretty strong things about Tim and Richard, and I feel it is only right that they be allowed to defend themselves PUBLICLY!!!

There are a lot of emotions involved here, and it is my personal opinion that if you don't know the whole story, then perhaps you should just pop some popcorn and watch the show.... That's what I've been doing!!!

Having said that.... I am off to work!!!

Just my 2 cents worth... Take it with a grain of salt!!!
 
danbo,

you obviously havent read my post very well or you would know why i posted it in a public forum!

lynn brought up my name about a PRIVATE phone call we had months ago, in which he promised it would stay private, and started blaming things on me. read the quote!

i also brought it up in public so the general knifebuying public and collectors can see how he lies to people and the lame way he attempts to generate orders of his knives.

as i said, try reading it again, though i doubt you will still get it
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also i wonder why it is lynn wont explain the things brought up in mine and rich's posts!? why for a $400 forum knife he wont let his customers even pick the handle material? why is it some knives you can get in 1 year but others take 2? why does he need orders for a black micarta handled model just to get photos of it? if photos were iportant now i sure would make one for that purpose! besides orders take 2 years
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shouldnt need a photo of that model then!

we all await lynns reponse to these and other questions.

lynn, i cant speak for rich's 13 year old daughter, but no i dont think you are cute at all.

sorry cougar. steve b, have a ball and respond some more.
 
Warning: This thread is quickly deteriorating into the steamy pits of lameness. I think my work here is done. I'm off to find a Mad Dog thread
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