to: lynn griffith...

Originally posted by Lame Detector:
I'm off to find a Mad Dog thread
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Been there, done that. It's not nearly as interesting as this one.
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Nowhere near the drama and pathos.

Of course, if you miss this now, you can come back in a couple of months and see another one just like it. Just another installment in "As the Knife Grinds," the soap opera for the discerning knife knut. Will Lynn respond to Tim's accusations? Will Tim implode? Will Lynn break down and start crying. Will Tim explode? Will Tim tell Hoodoo to shut the *&^% up and stay out of it? Only the actors know this one. Will the Timmites and Lynnites join the fray to create a complex web of intrigue and scandal? Stay tuned for further adventures of "As the Knife Grinds." In almost real time, of course.
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Brought to you by "Knife Sope" the soap for knife knuts who want shiny knives with out those hideous water spots. And now, back to our story...

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Hoodoo

I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM
 
I heard and read every word of what you wrote, AND I understand every word of it. Amazing how some people can understand things, while others dont even know how to handle simple grammar or proper capitalization. My only question was why this has to be beat to death in a public forum instead of haggling this back and forth privately. If you dont like the guy, either tell him to his face or stay the f**k away from him. All this s**t disturbing crap of yours is getting old really quickly. This Lynn Griffith bashing stuff has been done over and over again here on Bladeforums. Why dont we end it all here?

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Danbo, soul brother of Rambo


[This message has been edited by Danbo (edited 10-30-2000).]
 
danbo,

if you dont like my comments why dont you stay the f*ck away? practice what you preach. and now you're an english teacher too?? wow!
 
No kidding Danbo. You come in here talking about how all this is useless.. try looking at your posts. You haven't added anything worth a turd sandwhich on wheat. Your mom needs to take out the bar of soap on you, potty mouth. You guys want to come here and talk trash too... but Lynn can't even defend himself. I was nice enough to delete my post earlier and stay out of this. But, I am not gonna set back and watch you defend a man who doesn't have the sac to defend himself. I wouldn't have a problem with Lynn if he would be honost about his work. 22 hours to make and satin finish a basic drop point? That is pure and simple crap. No other way around it. How much was your subscription to the fan club anyways?
 
I dunno ... normally at about this point I would jawbone (some of) the members posting in this thread, asking them to refrain from attacking each other and stick to the topic ... but ... what is the topic of this discussion?

-Cougar :{)
 
Originally posted by Cougar Allen:
but ... what is the topic of this discussion?

-Cougar :{)
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The topic is side homosexual KKK members vs sideshow midgets from florida, and the women who love them... wait, that was Jerry Springer last night. The real topic is the integrity of a certain knife maker. You only get 12 guesses on who it is. This forum is to bring out any good or, in this case bad AND ugly, dealings you have had within the knife community. Tim brought up some points, and was hoping to get Lynn to clear some things up. Obviously, Lynn doesn't care about his 16 customers, all members of his forum, to even be honost and justify his claims. Anywho. I gotta go to class

 
Originally posted by Jeremy Reynolds:
...Tim brought up some points, and was hoping to get Lynn to clear some things up. Obviously, Lynn doesn't care about his 16 customers, all members of his forum, to even be honost and justify his claims...
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Hold on there Nifer (Jeremy). I don't think that is fair. I don't think it obvious that Lynn does not care about his customers or members of his forum, or members of this forum. I don't think Lynn is a bad person. I think he is a struggling knifemaker trying very hard to make it in a profession he loves. He might improve by concentrating more on improving his knifemaking skills, and spend less time on the marketing of his knives. But that is just my opinion.

I do think he should read Tim's post Very carefully and try to understand why Tim feels so strongly about his business practices. I know that Tim is Not alone among noted knifemakers in his views regarding Lynn. This should be disturbing to Lynn (and I'm sure it is).

I do not fault Lynn for not responding to these sort of threads. But I hope he has enough of an open mind to listen. Everyone on both sides of this issue have made mistakes or poorly worded and unecessarily emotional posts (including me). Tim has made his feelings very clear in this thread. I hope Lynn thinks long and hard about what he said. And I hope all these little side arguments will stop. I hate to see foums members sniping at each other.

The fact that well known knifemakers have 'issues' with Lynn's business practices is very clear. How Lynn responds to this is up to Lynn.

Paracelsus

 
Originally posted by HermanKnives:
lynno,).
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First off the name is Lynn

Originally posted by HermanKnives:

all that crap you brought up from our phone conversation months ago, about which you promised me you would never bring it up again after our first little confrontation, i see your word isnt worth anything either.
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I was never even asked by you to not repeat our conversation. I admit that I assumed you would not want Kit Carson or Richard to know some of your comments (many of which I have not repeated), but I did not say I would not repeat them.

Originally posted by HermanKnives:

trying to get sympathy and make me look like the bad guy again does fit right into your methods of hosing people and distorting the truth!
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I admit to wanting to be liked, and being nice to people so that they will like me. I have even tried to be nice to you, so that you would like me.

Originally posted by HermanKnives:

i also broke a promise to you that i wouldnt bring your name up on the forums again,
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Yes, that is a promise you made to me at Blade Show.

Originally posted by HermanKnives:

then you have badmouthed other makers saying your knives were better, particular bob dozier who i belive could make a far better knife than you in his sleep! bob is honest, hard working and truthful about his knives, maybe you should try to emulate him rather than insult him!!
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Bob is honest, hard working and thruthful, and I would never (nor have I ever) said otherwise. I respect Bob Dozier a great deal, and have recieved good advice from him when I needed it. Bob is one of my favorite knifemakers. Anyone can do a search of my past posts and see that I have on numerous occasions, highly recommended his knives.


Originally posted by HermanKnives:

then on your forum knife for $400, the customer dont even get to pick which wood he wants on the handle?? this is simply amazing and i dont think i even want to hear an explanation for this one!
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The price of the Forum knife is $320. I have extended a choice of Stabilized Box Elder, Stabilized California Buckeye, or the option of having me choose a different stabilized wood that I hand pick at the next Blade Show.

Originally posted by HermanKnives:
your forum is another amazing thing. funny how anything at all negative about your knives got deleted immediately! and usually that person was then banned from your forums. if i get negative comments on my knives, thats how i learn to improve, guess you are perfect already huh?
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I only ban those that are hostile. I do listen to my customers (and others) and have made numerous improvements to my knives over the past 13 years, and over the past few months. My knives are not perfect. They never will be perfect. I do make every effort possible though, to improve them in every way possible.

Originally posted by HermanKnives:
there are so many things to cover here but nobody has listend yet, but i have really had enough of this. to me you are a shyster, a liar and i am sorry you have picked the knife business as the place to feed your colossal ego. i also know you will try and turn this around and make me the bad guy again. so be it, but somehow in the end people do discover the truth as after so many stories to cover your lies, they do come shining through.
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Tim,
I do not think you are a bad guy. I just feel like you have a major dislike for me. I hope someday that will change. And while we may never be friends, I do want you to know that I respect your abilities as a knifemaker, and a knife designer, and your 23 years of experience as such.



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Para, you are right, a lot of my post was probably unfair and rude. I was a little too froggy in a lot of my posts. I won't deny that. However, I stand behind the fact that Lynn should come out and justify and be honost about his claims. Some if his claims in his marketing are simple BS. If he would simply admit that and be honost, I would have no problems at all with Lynn. You are correct Para, he does care about his customers. But I feel he cares about his on pocket book and his ego a lot more. I probably should have been a lot more tactful in my former posts. A lot of them were rude and tasteless. I was trying to get a laugh at Lynn's expense, and it worked. I should have put some more thought into them before I posted. Lynn, you may be a good guy who makes a good knife, but I still think you are letting your ego get in the way of improving your product. Nothing is perfect in the knife world, things can always be improved. I also think you are not totally honost in your marketing. I have e-mailed you before in the past, and you always respond promptly. I respect that. I can give a huge list of makers who have never responded at all to my inquireries. That being sad, I think my comment about you not caring about your customers was unfair.

Nifer - trying to be more user friendly
 
Oh Lynn, you ban those who are hostile? BULLS**T! You banned me for posting a joke in Tim's genre of humor. There is nothing hostile about humor. It's more like you ban those who don't want to praise you or stroke your ego. To quote Tim Herman."(_!_)"!!
 
Mr. Griffith how old are you? I am sure you will not answer me but when did you become a knife maker?
 
" I only ban those that are hostile. I do listen to my customers (and others)"

Ok, Lynn. Show me where I have been hostile towards you. You don't like ANY kind of criticism period. I send you a private e-mail last year in November about how I didn't agree with your pricing. For that I have been banned?? I don't fit into your niche any way.

People don't like to hear the truth it seems.
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Ray 'md2020'

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You banned me to....ya Pri[k!!Thats allright.....maybe "someone"will slap you off your feet when "they" see you at NYC!!Punk a$$ Biotch.


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Face it, MD2020, you really don`t like Lynn. I KNOW you don`t like Lynn, so why even bother? Why is Lynn such a burr under everyone`s collective saddle? Why does the mention of Lynn`s name make grown men act like children? Aren`t ANY of you going to rise above this? (I guess not.) It seems like you all aren`t gonna be happy until Lynn is run out of the knife community on a rail. Can`t you see what a collect waste of time and energy that is? (I guess not.)

Hey Tim. Is that a new BF rule? I can only respond to threads that are addressed to me..?? I figured since you were a moderator and all, you`d know the rules better than me! I guess I`ll stay out of this.
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You know something? A mob is very ugly thing. People act differently when they`re part of mob. I give credit to "Lynno" for having the sac and the patience to, once again, put up with the abuse some of you delight on heaping on him, and answering everyone`s accusations.

It`s just knifemaking you guys! We`re not curing cancer here! If you don`t like Lynn, fine. But why all the hostility? What`s up with you guys?



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I just glad that someone hasn't chimed in and used that "tired ol BS Rodney King" saying of,

<CENTER><font size="4" color="#FF0001">"Can't we all just get along...."</font></CENTER>

That saying makes me sick!

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[This message has been edited by GigOne (edited 10-31-2000).]
 
Well, I'm really glad we don't have any rules on this forum. That way we can call each other vicious names and make veiled threats of physical violence. I think those things make for an overall chummy atmosphere. Kinda like the Fight Club. It creates really colorful discussions and ultimately is rewarding for everyone involved. In many ways it recreates that 4th grade playground atmosphere when it was clique against clique with clever strutting boys surrounded by their sycophants. I think it's great that we can relive our childhood. And the neat thing is that it's on the Internet, and it goes all over the world, and it shows everyone out there just what we "knife knuts" are really all about. Hurrah for us! I hope this isn't the end of it. I hope it gets far more nasty. Maybe if we are lucky, some guys will agree to meet somewhere and really get physical. Bowie knives at 20 paces or something like that. Guns would be cool too. Or at the very least, it will inspire some violence at some big knife show. That would be absolutely thrilling, wouldn't it?. Real men defending their honor. It just boggles the mind where this discussion has been and where it could go. On to Round XX and no pulling punches, PLEASE! Let's go for it and show the world what the Internet Knife "Community" is all about! Gentlemen: pour on the testosterone and do us all proud!

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Hoodoo

I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM
 
hoodoo,
great job of adding fuel to the fire. You did a great job of being exactly what your sarcastic comments criticized. Yes, people have arguements. It happens. Yes, people have strong opinions on things. If you don't like it, crawl back into your hole. Or better yet, go run with scissors through a busy innersection. Bottom line, if it bothers you, don't read it. It always makes me laugh when people insult people for insulting people. The only side I am on is the side of the knife community. And yes, the community has a right to know when someone is being dishonost in the business. yes, i have talked to Tim in the chat room a few times. He can be a rude bastid. But he loves his profession and his passion for making knives shows. Could his tone have been a littler nicer? Possibly, but we don't have all the details of the past. That is the reason I decided to butt out earlier in this thread and erase my bad, yet incredibly funny, post. But when everyone else, mainly you, is going to jump in and rattle off a bunch of useless crap, I just don't want to miss out on all the fun. Lynn is still beating around the bush on most of Tim and Richard's questions. Is HONOST answers too much to ask? From Lynn, i'm afraid it may be. So my advice to you, get over it. If you have no steak in this conversation, then go give yourself one of those patented 8 hour hand jobs. Do us all a favor and stay out of it.
 
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