To the Makers of Things, Show us what you do!

Yeah I've made a batch of three one time, one for me, one for Tim, and one for another friend. After the emotional trauma I suffered while grinding them, I don't know if I'll do any more 🤣
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Mine in Blackwood needed more Cowbell on the blade...
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Very nice! Those look great. Actually really great! What steel did you use? I spoke with Paul Long at length about the advantages and disadvantages of an asymmetrical pattern versus a symmetrical pattern for a round knife. He was firmly convinced that for what we are doing, general leatherwork, sheaths etc., that asymmetrical was superior to symmetrical. However, he did say if he was still making saddles he would prefer symmetrical blades for that job. That was good news cause you think these are tough to grind, try a symmetrical one. That would really get ya using all the top keys #$%&*((&^%. Paul started in a saddle shop in 1951, eight years before I was born so he's a lil senior to me on bending cowhides. When he was active in Sheaths and Such he and I would joke about having between us a hundred plus years of pro leather working, which was true. Probably gonna be able to answer the question, cause somewhere along the line, one or the other, or both of us had already screwed up that deal.
 
Very nice! Those look great. Actually really great! What steel did you use? I spoke with Paul Long at length about the advantages and disadvantages of an asymmetrical pattern versus a symmetrical pattern for a round knife. He was firmly convinced that for what we are doing, general leatherwork, sheaths etc., that asymmetrical was superior to symmetrical. However, he did say if he was still making saddles he would prefer symmetrical blades for that job. That was good news cause you think these are tough to grind, try a symmetrical one. That would really get ya using all the top keys #$%&*((&^%. Paul started in a saddle shop in 1951, eight years before I was born so he's a lil senior to me on bending cowhides. When he was active in Sheaths and Such he and I would joke about having between us a hundred plus years of pro leather working, which was true. Probably gonna be able to answer the question, cause somewhere along the line, one or the other, or both of us had already screwed up that deal.
The most useful research I found online about round knives was from you and Paul here in BF. Paul's great and I have a couple of his videos from Chris Crawford (who was having a pretty good sale on videos recently that I believe is still running). You guys are a world of knowledge and both kind enough to share it.

I figured out a few years ago that if you want to learn leather, saddle makers are where it's at. There are some great knifemakers that do great leatherwork also (you being one of them) but rarely is one up to par with the other. A few years ago I finally got out of the knifemaker box and started researching saddle makers instead of knifemakers that made sheaths and learned a thousand times more information. Saddle makers understand leather and aren't just trying to make pants for a knife. Don Gonzalez is another one that has some great info and youtube channel. I met him at the leather show and told him how much he's helped my sheath work improve. He laughed and lightheartedly said, man I hate you guys, there are some amazing knives out there sitting in some terrible sheaths! I agreed, unfortunately it's true and something I noticed as soon as I started making knives.

Based on your and Paul's conversations on bladeforums I think the max thickness you guys agreed on was .04" stock. I had some .058" that I thinned out and tapered down to .035ish. The asymmetrical curve is handy but I think I hooked mine a bit long, that tail can bite every once in a while!
 
Thank you sir for the kind words. Paul and I often talked about how there are no secrets. Just trying to save folks from making the same mistakes I've already made.

Bingo! Nail smacked right on the head! Our lil cowtown here in CA use to have three custom saddle makers! One moved, one retired and the other is still working away. I learned a lot from hanging out with all three at one time or another. One had a large commercial shop and he leased out space to a then unknown knife maker. No not me, Kevin McClung, Mad Dog Knives. First custom knife I ever had as a day working cowboy was by Kevin. Paid $125 for it and it didn't come with a sheath. First sheath I ever made was for that knife. It was a lousy sheath and the knife wasn't any better. Wouldn't cut diddly. Anyhoo. I learned a lot hanging out and they were also a great source for hardware in those pre internet days. If I needed a certain buckle one of em was gonna have it.

I luv Don's videos. He is a great saddle maker. I really like that vid he's got of making a saddle from start to finish kinda a speeded up time lapse deal. It's pretty cool.

So the first and only knife show I've ever been to we started at the front door and hit every table. It was in Vegas. Literally Hall of Famers there and quite a few. First time I met Hoss (Devin Thomas) too. He had a stainless dammy roundknife he was trying to sell me. I've kicked myself ever since for not buying it but didn't have the spare cash. But that's kinda BS too. Cause I could have made it happen, I just didn't. It was $300! Yeah I could have made that happen. My second worst oops in the knife making deal. First was not taking Bob Loveless up on his invite to go to his shop for grinding lessons. That was just STOOOOPID!!!!!!! Anyhoo we hit every table and there are even several specialist leather guys. We get to the end of the hall and Nichole says there isn't anyone in this room doing what you are doing with sheaths, nobody has the same quality. And that was true. Several guys I think were using 16 penny nails for awls. It was terrible. You sir have broken that mold and handle either the knife or the leather with equal aplomb! Arno Bernards son's were there with a table. Their sheaths were very good. There were lots of guys that realized it and didn't event try to make the sheaths. I respect these guys They were just selling the knife. A man's got to know his limitations.

The saddles we currently ride are from Montana. Freckers's Saddlery in Dillion. Best saddles I've ever sat in. My son just got a new one from a guy up there in eastern OR where he's cowboyin' at these days. 2.5 year waiting list. Logan, my son said he was moving his Lazy Boy from the living room down to the barn and moving the saddle up to the living room cause it was the most comfortable thing he's ever sat in!

Frecker's:

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Nichole's Frecker all cleaned up for a show:

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Mine is very similar to Nichole's only carved with an oak leaf pattern instead of the flower.

A saddle by one of our local makers. This is our daughter's saddle:

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My son's previous saddle. I made the martingale with the silver dollar conchos. Reins and headstall by us too come to think of it.

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Our son Logan is bout to get shoulder deep in that heifer as she is having trouble calving. This is BIG BOY cowboy stuff!. Buddy his horse has done this before, see how he's keeping his weight back to keep the heifer's hind legs off the ground. Not Buddy's first rodeo.

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Our ranching partner Steve had this one by Bob Ray:

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Look at that lil itty bitty camo border stamp:

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I rode that saddle for about a year while I was waiting for my Frecker. It was a lil short front to back for me but we got by. Steve had retired from riding.

One of Nichole's old saddles by our friend John Williamsma

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John doesn't do the typical Sheridan flower, he uses a Hawaiian flower as his wife is from there:

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These guys cost major $$$$$ as you can imagine but they do get used:

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Here's a cool cowboy story for ya. This is Logan. He bought this horse from our ranching partner Steve for a dollar and a bottle of Pendleton whisky. Steve said she was way more horse than he was cowboy, (he'd come off her and broke his hip). But that, Logan was way more cowboy than she was horse. So they did the deal. He was right.

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Anyhoo probably more than most folks want to know about saddles. Thanks again for the kind words!

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That's the Bill Ray on the left and one of Nichole's other Willamsma saddles on the right. Logan is always getting after Nichole about the state of her rope on her saddle. He says its embarassing.
 
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Thank you sir for the kind words. Paul and I often talked about how there are no secrets. Just trying to save folks from making the same mistakes I've already made.

Bingo! Nail smacked right on the head! Our lil cowtown here in CA use to have three custom saddle makers! One moved, one retired and the other is still working away. I learned a lot from hanging out with all three at one time or another. One had a large commercial shop and he leased out space to a then unknown knife maker. No not me, Kevin McClung, Mad Dog Knives. First custom knife I ever had as a day working cowboy was by Kevin. Paid $125 for it and it didn't come with a sheath. First sheath I ever made was for that knife. It was a lousy sheath and the knife wasn't any better. Wouldn't cut diddly. Anyhoo. I learned a lot hanging out and they were also a great source for hardware in those pre internet days. If I needed a certain buckle one of em was gonna have it.

I luv Don's videos. He is a great saddle maker. I really like that vid he's got of making a saddle from start to finish kinda a speeded up time lapse deal. It's pretty cool.

So the first and only knife show I've ever been to we started at the front door and hit every table. It was in Vegas. Literally Hall of Famers there and quite a few. First time I met Hoss (Devin Thomas) too. He had a stainless dammy roundknife he was trying to sell me. I've kicked myself ever since for not buying it but didn't have the spare cash. But that's kinda BS too. Cause I could have made it happen, I just didn't. It was $300! Yeah I could have made that happen. My second worst oops in the knife making deal. First was not taking Bob Loveless up on his invite to go to his shop for grinding lessons. That was just STOOOOPID!!!!!!! Anyhoo we hit every table and there are even several specialist leather guys. We get to the end of the hall and Nichole says there isn't anyone in this room doing what you are doing with sheaths, nobody has the same quality. And that was true. Several guys I think were using 16 penny nails for awls. It was terrible. You sir have broken that mold and handle either the knife or the leather with equal aplomb! Arno Bernards son's were there with a table. Their sheaths were very good. There were lots of guys that realized it and didn't event try to make the sheaths. I respect these guys They were just selling the knife. A man's got to know his limitations.

The saddles we currently ride are from Montana. Freckers's Saddlery in Dillion. Best saddles I've ever sat in. My son just got a new one from a guy up there in eastern OR where he's cowboyin' at these days. 2.5 year waiting list. Logan, my son said he was moving his Lazy Boy from the living room down to the barn and moving the saddle up to the living room cause it was the most comfortable thing he's ever sat in!

Frecker's:

HaIzKTq.jpg



AMZOs5M.jpg


Nichole's Frecker all cleaned up for a show:

Wj1C4uK.jpg


Glue8CM.jpg


Mine is very similar to Nichole's only carved with an oak leaf pattern instead of the flower.

A saddle by one of our local makers. This is our daughter's saddle:

WU3Rw7n.jpg


My son's previous saddle. I made the martingale with the silver dollar conchos. Reins and headstall by us too come to think of it.

W5iPWNP.jpg


Our son Logan is bout to get shoulder deep in that heifer as she is having trouble calving. This is BIG BOY cowboy stuff!. Buddy his horse has done this before, see how he's keeping his weight back to keep the heifer's hind legs off the ground. Not Buddy's first rodeo.

pgCWOAy.jpg


Our ranching partner Steve had this one by Bob Ray:

x9n5Y4t.jpg


Look at that lil itty bitty camo border stamp:

23khUGv.jpg


I rode that saddle for about a year while I was waiting for my Frecker. It was a lil short front to back for me but we got by. Steve had retired from riding.

One of Nichole's old saddles by our friend John Williamsma

VVcIvgk.jpg


John doesn't do the typical Sheridan flower, he uses a Hawaiian flower as his wife is from there:

uX6pIYS.jpg


LsMUSOv.jpg


These guys cost major $$$$$ as you can imagine but they do get used:

PLuc0lM.jpg


Here's a cool cowboy story for ya. This is Logan. He bought this horse from our ranching partner Steve for a dollar and a bottle of Pendleton whisky. Steve said she was way more horse than he was cowboy, (he'd come off her and broke his hip). But that, Logan was way more cowboy than she was horse. So they did the deal. He was right.

VdqY0lr.jpg


Anyhoo probably more than most folks want to know about saddles. Thanks again for the kind words!

cIA4pyf.jpg


That's the Bill Ray on the left and one of Nichole's other Willamsma saddles on the right. Logan is always getting after Nichole about the state of her rope on her saddle. He says its embarassing.
Beautiful saddles Dave, the amount of work and skill that goes into those is incredible.

Thanks for the kind words, I've mentioned it many a times but there was a point where I doubted I could ever get my leatherwork to an acceptable level, I'm getting closer. My best critics are the kids, they notice every blemish and detail lol. They're fun at knife shows because throughout the day they'll whisper the good and bad of things they see, not in a judgemental way but a technical way. We get a lot of "Are these your kids?" from tables when we catch up to them usually followed with "These kids know a lot about knives, holy crap". Aaaaand somehow I've turned this post into one about my kids, a proud Papa I am.
 
Beautiful saddles Dave, the amount of work and skill that goes into those is incredible.

Thanks for the kind words, I've mentioned it many a times but there was a point where I doubted I could ever get my leatherwork to an acceptable level, I'm getting closer. My best critics are the kids, they notice every blemish and detail lol. They're fun at knife shows because throughout the day they'll whisper the good and bad of things they see, not in a judgemental way but a technical way. We get a lot of "Are these your kids?" from tables when we catch up to them usually followed with "These kids know a lot about knives, holy crap". Aaaaand somehow I've turned this post into one about my kids, a proud Papa I am.
Closer to acceptable? Surely you jest (I know, don't call you Shirley). I may only have a few of your knives, but the sheaths are way beyond acceptable.
 
Beautiful saddles Dave, the amount of work and skill that goes into those is incredible.

Thanks for the kind words, I've mentioned it many a times but there was a point where I doubted I could ever get my leatherwork to an acceptable level, I'm getting closer. My best critics are the kids, they notice every blemish and detail lol. They're fun at knife shows because throughout the day they'll whisper the good and bad of things they see, not in a judgemental way but a technical way. We get a lot of "Are these your kids?" from tables when we catch up to them usually followed with "These kids know a lot about knives, holy crap". Aaaaand somehow I've turned this post into one about my kids, a proud Papa I am.
And so you should be! You guys have done a great job with your kids! Logan and Nichole when he was about 11.

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10 years later, Cowboss of a 350,000 acre ranch in OR.

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Closer to acceptable? Surely you jest (I know, don't call you Shirley). I may only have a few of your knives, but the sheaths are way beyond acceptable.
Thanks John, I appreciate the hell out of that.

Oh and no Airplane reference is complete without adding this one..... 😆
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Closer to acceptable? Surely you jest (I know, don't call you Shirley). I may only have a few of your knives, but the sheaths are way beyond acceptable.
I agree. While never seeing one in person, I've seen pics and I've been doing this enough for a while now I can tell quite a bit by pics!
 
Yeah I've made a batch of three one time, one for me, one for Tim, and one for another friend. After the emotional trauma I suffered while grinding them, I don't know if I'll do any more 🤣
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Mine in Blackwood needed more Cowbell on the blade...
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That knife is still the scariest thing in my shop lol. I treat it like a cobra rattlesnake hybrid. I love using it but I know one day it's gonna get me...and definitely to sharp for mistakes.
 
That knife is still the scariest thing in my shop lol. I treat it like a cobra rattlesnake hybrid. I love using it but I know one day it's gonna get me...and definitely to sharp for mistakes.
Lol, I apply the four rules of gun safety when using mine. Especially, "Don't point at anything you don't intend to destroy" and "Know your target and what's behind it" 😆
 
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