Today's Question: Can This Correctly Be Called a BUCK 110?

If you had a 32 Ford with a Chevrolet engine in it---Would it be a Ford or a Ford custom, or just a custom?
 
Here I go.... more mud on the ceiling, but I can't help myself.....Personally I think we should be ashamed of this thread. The knife was accurately described as having started life as a Buck 110, the seller accurately described all materials used in the making of the knife including the maker of the damascus blade. He accurately described the material used to make the handles. If you didn't understand the description, google the materials. It was all standard stuff. Nice filework. This maker got picked apart over the samantics of "custom Buck 110" vs "custom knife on a buck 110 frame". He was applauded for "doing the right thing" and pulling the ad. Thats kind of arrogant on our part. For all we know it was sold..... I think the maker of that knife had nothing to appologize for......Just my opinion.....we aren't wackin moles here.....
 
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Here I go.... more mud on the ceiling, but I can't help myself.....Personally I think we should be ashamed of this thread. The knife was accurately described as having started life as a Buck 110, the seller accurately described all materials used in the making of the knife including the maker of the damascus blade. He accurately described the material used to make the handles. If you didn't understand the description, google the materials. It was all standard stuff. Nice filework. This maker got picked apart over the samantics of "custom Buck 110" vs "custom knife on a buck 110 frame". He was applauded for "doing the right thing" and pulling the ad. Thats kind of arrogant on our part. For all we know it was sold..... I think the maker of that knife had nothing to appologize for......Just my opinion.....we aren't wackin moles here.....
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Well said. I think the thread was only started with the intention of causing an argument.
 
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DeSotoSky said:
Here I go.... more mud on the ceiling, but I can't help myself.....Personally I think we should be ashamed of this thread. The knife was accurately described as having started life as a Buck 110, the seller accurately described all materials used in the making of the knife including the maker of the damascus blade. He accurately described the material used to make the handles. If you didn't understand the description, google the materials. It was all standard stuff. Nice filework. This maker got picked apart over the samantics of "custom Buck 110" vs "custom knife on a buck 110 frame". He was applauded for "doing the right thing" and pulling the ad. Thats kind of arrogant on our part. For all we know it was sold..... I think the maker of that knife had nothing to appologize for......Just my opinion.....we aren't wackin moles here.....
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+1 !!!!!!!!!

Both of these "sellers" are extremely reputable individuals who, in my opinion, accurately described the items in question. I would have no hesitancy in buying from either IF it were an item I wanted.
 
DeSotoSky said:
Here I go.... more mud on the ceiling, but I can't help myself.....Personally I think we should be ashamed of this thread......
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Please school me Desoto,

What did I say in this thread I should be ashamed of?
jb4570
 
hkingdom said:
I can't speak for all, but Leroy does not always use BUCK blades. I sure like this BUCK 110.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BUCK-110-LEROY-...163?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item5644a94beb
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With all due respect Jerry, I wouldnt consider that a Buck 110. The blade isn't a Buck 110 blade and If I'm not mistaken Buck didn't make the scales either. It may be on a Buck frame but who knows except the maker and how do I prove that. To me its just a custom knife made by Leroy Remer. The person who is selling this knife is saying its a custom Buck 110, not Leroy ...
 
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With all due respect Jerry, I wouldnt consider that a Buck 110. The blade isn't a Buck 110 blade and If I'm not mistaken Buck didn't make the scales either. It may be on a Buck frame but who knows except the maker and how do I prove that. To me its just a custom knife made by Leroy Remer. The person who is selling this knife is saying its a custom Buck 110, not Leroy ...
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+1
I was just saying the same thing to my kids. We have been enjoying the calm & friendly discussions in this thread all day.
 
Heres an interesting story. I once made a copy of a Buck 110 handle, lock bar, and butt spacer/spring holder out of carbon fiber. The spring was a Custom Leaf style I sized and shaped. I put a beautiful Twist Damascus by Snake River Knives (110 swap in blade) there was 1 factory Buck 110 part remaining in it and that was the bronze blade pivot bushing. It was then and only then that Super Moderator Esav Benyamine said that I could not list it in the Buck Knives for sale (of all kinds) which I thought was fair.
In my opinion if there are main parts of a factory knife in the knife, and something has been modified to make it better/nicer/more functional/whatever, then it should be able to be called a Custom, just not a Factory Custom
 
Whoa! Am I on the Buck forum??? Things usually stay pretty darn cordial in here.

Here is my opinion. The blade makes the knife. To me, everything eles is an accessory even if it is a vital one. If you put a brand X blade in a Buck frame, my opinion is that you have a brand x knife with a Buck frame. If you take the blade off of a Buck and put a new handle on it, I think you have a non-factory custom handled Buck. If you don't agree, that is fine. I have absolutely no authority to alter the definiton of a Buck knife anyway.

Here is a second opinion. I don't think that the point of the thread was to cause contention, but to make Buck collectors take a serious look at what it means to be a Buck knife. Buck collectors aren't interested in just any knife, they are interested in Bucks.

I hope I haven't shamed myself too greatly by taking part in this discussion.
 
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CoyotePhysics said:
Whoa! Am I on the Buck forum??? Things usually stay pretty darn cordial in here.

Here is my opinion. The blade makes the knife. To me, everything eles is an accessory even if it is a vital one. If you put a brand X blade in a Buck frame, my opinion is that you have a brand x knife with a Buck frame. If you take the blade off of a Buck and put a new handle on it, I think you have a non-factory custom handled Buck. If you don't agree, that is fine. I have absolutely no authority to alter the definiton of a Buck knife anyway.

Here is a second opinion. I don't think that the point of the thread was to cause contention, but to make Buck collectors take a serious look at what it means to be a Buck knife. Buck collectors aren't interested in just any knife, they are interested in Bucks.

I hope I haven't shamed myself too greatly by taking part in this discussion.
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Actually this thread has been quite cordial, though there have been a couple hot posts, that is all in the way folks write, I don't think it was ment to sound overly angry. Everybody has an opinion and they have a right to post on a public forum. But we all know that if they don't aggree with me there opinion doesn't count:)

All joking aside this has been a good discussion and I think most people aggree the OP picture doesn't rate to be called a Buck.
 
Because the Auction will vanish in time to leave future readers puzzled, here's the Auction Title line:

Buck 110 Knife Custom Damascus & Abalone w/ Filework
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And here's the Description:

This is a new Buck 110 with a leather sheath i have customized with Brad Vice forged Alabama damascus steel.I hollow ground the blade in a modified clip point style with a upramp thumb rest and hole for opening.Truthfully it has a bit too much tension to be a great one hander,but it will open that way,and made a great place to pinch it open.And i like the ramp thumb position.It also looks pretty cool!Properly heat treated and tempered it took a nice razor edge.Blade lockup is tight and it closes with nice spring.Scales are LVS Abalone(real paua shell encased in a clear acrylic) on blue liners.Textured bolsters,Lightning! fileworked backspring and blade spine.Great showpiece or tough user.Unique Buck frame and Seals Custom blade.Im trying a one day sale.Check out my other items!
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And:

Item specifics
Brand: Customized Buck USA Seals Custom Blade
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So, at best, what is said about the item is contradictory and the very FIRST thing they see is "Buck 110 Knife."

No, you CANNOT say that about this knife, at least the way I see it. Without a Buck blade, it's not a Buck knife.

I think it was an honest mistake, but it would be better to hear it from the seller.

I also don't know how a buyer would know for sure where the blade steel came from, as it doesn't seem to be marked.

And there's the matter of the acrylic coating and the low, low priced Paua.

There's still an interesting story out there about this auction. If those details I mentioned were explained, we'd have a lot better chance of understanding the seller and his auction.

Since it's been said that he posts here, maybe he will answer some of the questions.
 
This is a question that quite literally goes waaay back to the very beginning of Buck brand folding knives, when Hoyt Buck took a Camillus rope knife, replaced the blade with his own that was stamped Buck, and it became the Model 117.
 
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Tin Sue said:
This is a question that quite literally goes waaay back to the very beginning of Buck brand folding knives, when Hoyt Buck took a Camillus rope knife, replaced the blade with his own that was stamped Buck, and it became the Model 117.
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But it was a Buck blade.
 
I wonder if the blade maker paid Spyderco for the hole in the blade license.
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And at this point......how would Spyderco know where to send the bill?

:D

The blade appears totally generic, so there's no way to tell who's responsible.
 
This is interesting, I wonder what you would say about this one?

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As you can see it is a finger groove frame with a two dot blade. Both are Buck parts, but about ten years apart in age. The frame originally had a 1989 blade in it that was sharpened down, I was wanting a better user, so I had a two dot blade put in it. Would you still say it is a Buck? Knowing full well that there is no warrant on it. HL
 
Its not a question if there is a warranty on the knife. This is obviously a Buck that has been re-bladed. Even The Buck factory will re-blade your knif with a blade that isnt the correct one for your body/frame. They do this when they dont have the correct parts left in stock... This has been covered in the thread already. We are talking about wheather a knife can be called a Buck when the most vital part or parts have been removed and replaced with parts that can't be identified as Buck made parts. Buck did this re-blade for me, sorry for the blurry pics.


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