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Deal means deal.

I have a complaint against another forum member, but it is a little different than most complaints on here; it involves money never exchanging hands…. which is the problem.
I made an offer on a knife that he was selling recently, which he accepted. What I didn’t do was post “I’ll take it pending response to offer” in the post. I accept responsibility for that.
After the deal was made, I assumed that was sufficient. Following our deal agreement, someone posted “I’ll take it” in the post and the deal went to that person.

Now, I realize that I am new on Bladeforums, but this was wrong. On a forum where a hand-shake is not possible, our written word is our bond. What I love about this forum is the integrity of its members. That is one aspect that attracted me to join. I have bought, sold, and traded with stand-up individuals and it has been a really rewarding experience. Up until this…

I am sure 1000 members will stand up for Tonystl and say what great deals they have had with him. I am sure you are right, but this deal was wrong. In my book, deal means deal. Tony could have declined my offer and there would be no hard feelings. Instead, he accepted the offer but did not follow through with his end of the accord. This is poor form, disrespectful, and not what this forum is about. I tried to get Tony's input on this failed transaction, but no reply and his thread closed immediately following the sale. Curious.

I miss the time when a man’s word meant something.

Okay, rant over. Thank you to Bladeforums for giving me to the opportunity to share my disappointing experience.
 
Sigh, ok. Look, you didn't post an "I'll take it to the thread." So, I'd either piss you off or piss of the member that posted an "I'll take it in the thread."

"At any stage before money has changed hands, either party can back out."

Thanks for taking this public and giving me less than 24 hours to respond.
 
I gave you 24 hours. Surprising how fast you replied to this post, but did not have the decency to respond to me personally.

"At any stage before money has changed hands, either party can back out."

True, but this is usually preceded by an email or PM. It is chickensh** to do it behind someones back.
 
Sorry you're upset. No money was exchanged. I'd love to continue to argue on the Internet but I'm done.
 
If the rule is first "I'll take it" gets it then it's your own fault, don't trash another member for following the rules and you not.
 
A few questions.


Northridge88 said:
I made an offer on a knife that he was selling recently, which he accepted.


Following our deal agreement, someone posted “I’ll take it” in the post and the deal went to that person.
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The seller responded to your offer and agreed to the deal before the the final buyer posted "I'll take it", is that correct?


Your offer was lower then the listed price, so the seller made more money taking the latter offer, is that correct?





Big Mike
 
In the end he can sell it to who ever he wants regardless.

The only real question I have is- did he tell you the deal was off after he accepted the other offer to buy?
 
I'm on Tonystl's side here - I've been in similar situatons and the bottom line is if the I'll Take It rule was stated in the thread, then that supersedes everything else unless the informal transaction was "over" and over really means that the knife was delivered and the buyer is happy.
 
Let me get this straight...
NORTHRIDGE88 made an offer on a knife.
TONYSTL accepted the offer.
After this transaction, someone posted "I'll take it".
TONYSTL decided that his agreement with NORTHRIDGE88 didn't matter and sold the knife to the person who posted "I'll take it", perhaps for a few more $$$.
NORTHRIDGE88 is pissed off...

WELL, HELL.... I'D BE PISSED OFF TOO IF IT HAPPENED TO ME...

If you back out of an agreed upon deal just so you can get a few more dollars, IMHO, you're sleazy... just my opinion.
 
^this

Much as I hate to take sides in these things (or even see them happen), I've got to see it like barcbsa does. Quite easy for the seller to say "hey, we've agreed and all, but go ahead and throw an 'I will take it' in the thread, would ya". Fine print is awesome, and can protect both parties, but deals ARE deals, aren't they?

bull
 
Thanks everyone for the responses. I appreciate the input. Yes, Barcbsa has the order of the transaction correct.

I think making a deal outside of the post (through email or PM) supercedes the "I'll take it" post. I have often seen knives sell without the "I'll take it" because the members discussed the sale privately. What is written in the post does not make a transaction, it is the agreement between two people. Sellers get just as upset when someone writes "I'll take it" and the potential buyer does not follow through. Otherwise, people would never second or third an offer.

And yes, I offered below the sales price. I thought it was respectful and good business to keep the discussion of money private. In case he declined the offer, but more importantly if the offer was accepted. That part is not anyone's business except the two parties attempting to deal.

For the record, I am not intending to "trash" any member here, but I am expressing my disappointment with a failed transaction and Tonystl's participation in the failed transaction.
 
This is exactly why I state in my sale threads: An "I'll take it" posted in this thread trumps all other inquiries.
 
@JTR--Hey I agree, at least in principle; I have no issues with whatever your own disclaimer might be, or with "i'll take it' acting as the trump card. The shadow area (?) comes into play when two people agree on something via PM or email....should the (prospective) buyer go back to the thread and post a TAKE? probably....should the seller go back to the thread and see if more cash is offered? probably not...the responsibility, the onus is likely on the one who is purchasing, but a reasonable person (a good standard) would probably conclude that the seller has a part too, yes?
 
JTR357 said:
This is exactly why I state in my sale threads: An "I'll take it" posted in this thread trumps all other inquiries.
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NORTHRIDGE88 had an agreement with TONYSTL. The "inquiries" were over, they had an agreed upon deal. It's tacky to make negotiations on a thread, that's why NORTHRIDGE88 made it via email with TONYSTL. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE.

And once the agreed upon deal was made, TONYSTL should probably have posted that the knife was sold. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE.

TONYSTL backed out of a deal he agreed to just to get a few more dollars... I'll say it again.... THAT'S SLEAZY !!!!
 
barcbsa said:
NORTHRIDGE88 had an agreement with TONYSTL. The "inquiries" were over, they had an agreed upon deal. It's tacky to make negotiations on a thread, that's why NORTHRIDGE88 made it via email with TONYSTL. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE.

And once the agreed upon deal was made, TONYSTL should probably have posted that the knife was sold. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE.

TONYSTL backed out of a deal he agreed to just to get a few more dollars... I'll say it again.... THAT'S SLEAZY !!!!
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This. ^^^

I've seen plenty of For Sales where someone posted an "I'll take it!" but had the seller state "Sorry, already sold."
 
I can sympathize with Tony.I've been there before.It sucks,but you have to go with your first agreed upon offer.That's what I did anyway.It was the RIGHT thing to do.
That said,I wouldn't let this thread affect my doing deals with either of these guys.
 
Disregard whatever is common on bladeforums for a second and consider just from Tony's reason in the second post. His argument is Northwoods was beat in posting "I'll take it", that posting such is necessary to buy an item from him. In his defense, his sales threads are pretty clear about that. The fact they had a deal made proves Tony was willing to sell it without an "I'll take it" posted in the thread, however, so that argument is blatantly just a rationalization to sell it to the next person after their deal was done.
 
If the seller states in his thread, "post I'll take it in this thread" and it doesn't happen you have failed to meet the primary condition of the sale. Private messages, and email do not trump the first person to follow dirrections. Regardless of what was said behind the scenes IMO.

The first person in pubic eye to meet the sale requirements gets it. How can the community be asked to side with PM's or Emails, that DID NOT meet the requirements. I have asked in PM for extensions, or modified sale arrangements, but I am still subject to lose to the first come first serve "I'll take it" in the thread itself.
 
ron_m80 said:
If the seller states in his thread, "post I'll take it in this thread" and it doesn't happen you have failed to meet the primary condition of the sale. Private messages, and email do not trump the first person to follow dirrections. Regardless of what was said behind the scenes IMO.

The first person in pubic eye to meet the sale requirements gets it. How can the community be asked to side with PM's or Emails, that DID NOT meet the requirements. I have asked in PM for extensions, or modified sale arrangements, but I am still subject to lose to the first come first serve "I'll take it" in the thread itself.
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The seller said that, but then he agreed to sell it in email, without the buyer posting it. He agreed to the deal against his own rule. That's where this argument fails.

Perhaps the moral is either make an "I'll take it" post in the thread a necessity and require any negotiator by email to post it once they've agreed, being clear if someone beats them to it then they've lost out, or consider a deal by email to be an implicit "I'll take it".

After a problem similar to this of my own, I put "First unconditional "I'll take it" by email or in the thread has it".
 
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