Tonystl

The general consensus here as of late is if no money or goods are exchanged then the "deal" did not exist. Based on that you should not have stated the thread.

This is why I do not put an "I will take it" in my threads. I go by who ever contacts me first even if it is just a simple question with no direct intent to buy. Sometimes this is a hassle for me but it seems to be the most fair.
 
ron_m80 said:
If the seller states in his thread, "post I'll take it in this thread" and it doesn't happen you have failed to meet the primary condition of the sale. Private messages, and email do not trump the first person to follow dirrections. Regardless of what was said behind the scenes IMO.

The first person in pubic eye to meet the sale requirements gets it. How can the community be asked to side with PM's or Emails, that DID NOT meet the requirements. I have asked in PM for extensions, or modified sale arrangements, but I am still subject to lose to the first come first serve "I'll take it" in the thread itself.
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So if NORTHRIDGE88 sent an email, a private message to TONYSTL, or posted directly on the thread saying, "You're an a$$, you're a motherXXXX, etc", then posted "I'll take it", TONYSTL would be obligated to sell it to NORTHRIDGE88 just because he posted "I'll take it" first???? OF COURSE NOT!!!!!

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! THEY HAD A FREEKIN' AGREEMENT !!!! NORTHRIDGE88 got screwed, IMHO.
 
ron_m80 said:
If the seller states in his thread, "post I'll take it in this thread" and it doesn't happen you have failed to meet the primary condition of the sale. Private messages, and email do not trump the first person to follow dirrections. Regardless of what was said behind the scenes IMO.

The first person in pubic eye to meet the sale requirements gets it. How can the community be asked to side with PM's or Emails, that DID NOT meet the requirements. I have asked in PM for extensions, or modified sale arrangements, but I am still subject to lose to the first come first serve "I'll take it" in the thread itself.
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kreole said:
The seller said that, but then he agreed to sell it in email, without the buyer posting it. He agreed to the deal against his own rule. That's where this argument fails.

Perhaps the moral is either make an "I'll take it" post in the thread a necessity and require any negotiator by email to post it once they've agreed, being clear if someone beats them to it then they've lost out, or consider a deal by email to be an implicit "I'll take it".

After a problem similar to this of my own, I put "First unconditional "I'll take it" by email or in the thread has it".
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These are both very good points.:thumbup:

Sheesh!Makes me feel like I need to hire a lawyer to draft my next FS thread!:D
 
In the end it all comes down to: The seller ultimately decides whom he/she will sell to.
 
You win some and you lose some. I bet there is an "I'll take it" on the tip of everyones tongue next time :)

EDIT: When I communicate privately to discuss alternative sales conditions. I go back to the thread, and supply the public with the required information "I'll take it".

How can any of you say that the seller is responsible for addressing the communities concerns over the prospective buyers desire to have private communication or alternative sales arrangements while someone clearly and simply, complied with the sale?
 
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JTR357 said:
Sheesh!Makes me feel like I need to hire a lawyer to draft my next FS thread!:D
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^This. I read all the comments so far and thankfully haven't had to make this kind of snap decision yet during my sales posts. I probably would go with the PM deal but may add another line of info to any future sales posts to address a situation like this should it ever come up.
 
I deal a lot in person with various things. I've gone around and around with buyers and sellers, promises made, plans changed, etc. but nothing is binding until cash and/or goods have changed hands and both parties are happy. I've driven 2 hours to look at motorcycles, with cash in my pocket and the seller's promise that he'd hold it until I got there, only to find out that someone offered him $100 more right before I arrived and loaded it onto his truck. Sure, it sucks to lose out on a deal you thought was going to happen but 'thems the breaks', as they say.
 
Northridge88 said:
Deal means deal.

I have a complaint against another forum member, but it is a little different than most complaints on here; it involves money never exchanging hands…. which is the problem.
I made an offer on a knife that he was selling recently, which he accepted. What I didn’t do was post “I’ll take it pending response to offer” in the post. I accept responsibility for that.
After the deal was made, I assumed that was sufficient. Following our deal agreement, someone posted “I’ll take it” in the post and the deal went to that person.

Now, I realize that I am new on Bladeforums, but this was wrong. On a forum where a hand-shake is not possible, our written word is our bond. What I love about this forum is the integrity of its members. That is one aspect that attracted me to join. I have bought, sold, and traded with stand-up individuals and it has been a really rewarding experience. Up until this…

I am sure 1000 members will stand up for Tonystl and say what great deals they have had with him. I am sure you are right, but this deal was wrong. In my book, deal means deal. Tony could have declined my offer and there would be no hard feelings. Instead, he accepted the offer but did not follow through with his end of the accord. This is poor form, disrespectful, and not what this forum is about. I tried to get Tony's input on this failed transaction, but no reply and his thread closed immediately following the sale. Curious.

I miss the time when a man’s word meant something.

Okay, rant over. Thank you to Bladeforums for giving me to the opportunity to share my disappointing experience.
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I understand that you're disappointed, sometimes deals just don't happen the way we think they should.

I'm not going to side with either party here, just want to point out that both of you are fairly new here, and it just didn't work out.

Smooth it out, you both seem like decent folk....
 
Unless the seller explicitly states in his ad that the first "I'll take it" rules, there is no such rule. It is a good way to sort out the hurt feelings, but really,the seller can sell to whomever he pleases. He can even withdraw the item and give it to his brother.

On the other hand, once a deal is reached, online or offline, I would expect a sincere apology from a seller who felt he had to back out. Otherwise, it looks a lot like an auction. We don't allow auctions.

Communication, communication, communication. Keep in touch, no surprises, and there won't be any hurt feelings. People can be very understanding. Don't just walk away from a deal.
 
barcbsa said:
Let me get this straight...
NORTHRIDGE88 made an offer on a knife.
TONYSTL accepted the offer.
After this transaction, someone posted "I'll take it".
TONYSTL decided that his agreement with NORTHRIDGE88 didn't matter and sold the knife to the person who posted "I'll take it", perhaps for a few more $$$.
NORTHRIDGE88 is pissed off...

WELL, HELL.... I'D BE PISSED OFF TOO IF IT HAPPENED TO ME...

If you back out of an agreed upon deal just so you can get a few more dollars, IMHO, you're sleazy... just my opinion.
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I totally agree.



In the first place, NORTHRIDGE88 did not "take it".

Posting "I'll take it" in the original add implies paying the asking price.


No, NORTHRIDGE88 did the right thing by placing a lower offer in private.


Once TONYSTL accepted the offer, he should have closed his "For Sale" thread and marked the knife SOLD.


His deal with NORTHRIDGE88 was a separate deal from the original posting.


TONYSTL took the low road by selling the knife for the price listed on-line after agreeing to sell it to NORTHRIDGE88 for a lower price.



Those that say that since no money changed hands it's all right for TONYSTL to screw NORTHRIDGE88 don't understand the concept of a gentleman's agreement, and, in my opinion, are as low to the ground scoundrels as TONYSTL is for backing out of a deal for greater profit.



Sleazy is the right term, as it implies no moral fiber.





Big Mike
 
Big Mike said:
Those that say that since no money changed hands it's all right for TONYSTL to screw NORTHRIDGE88 don't understand the concept of a gentleman's agreement, and, in my opinion, are as low to the ground scoundrels as TONYSTL is for backing out of a deal for greater profit.



Sleazy is the right term, as it implies no moral fiber.





Big Mike
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I don't think anyone suggested that accepting an offer and then selling to someone else without explanation is 'all right'. If the situation is that cut and dry, then the OP should be angry. Still, the seller has the right to sell to whom he wants for however much money he feels like and a GB&U thread about a deal that never actually took place is unnecessary.

A thread in W&C, on the other hand...
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Unless the seller explicitly states in his ad that the first "I'll take it" rules, there is no such rule. It is a good way to sort out the hurt feelings, but really,the seller can sell to whomever he pleases. He can even withdraw the item and give it to his brother.

On the other hand, once a deal is reached, online or offline, I would expect a sincere apology from a seller who felt he had to back out. Otherwise, it looks a lot like an auction. We don't allow auctions.

Communication, communication, communication. Keep in touch, no surprises, and there won't be any hurt feelings. People can be very understanding. Don't just walk away from a deal.
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Words of wisdom as usual from Esav.:thumbup:



Big Mike said:
TONYSTL took the low road by selling the knife for the price listed on-line after agreeing to sell it to NORTHRIDGE88 for a lower price.
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Ultimately this^

Sorry Tony but you fudged up.You should have never accepted the first offer if you weren't happy with it.Live & learn.
 
Let's understand this. FEEDBACK is not a court of law. We aren't here to pass judgement on someone's character. We're here to learn through example and experience how we should behave in similar circumstances. Please don't insult each other because you don't like the way the deal worked out. We are here to encourage people to behave reliably, not take potshots at them for a mistake.

Everyone should leave a discussion like this enlightened, not bitter.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Let's understand this. FEEDBACK is not a court of law. We aren't here to pass judgement on someone's character. We're here to learn through example and experience how we should behave in similar circumstances. Please don't insult each other because you don't like the way the deal worked out. We are here to encourage people to behave reliably, not take potshots at them for a mistake.

Everyone should leave a discussion like this enlightened, not bitter.
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Not judging at all,Sir.Just giving my point of view.Like I said earlier,I would have no problem dealing with either of these guys.

Thanks
 
I think a lot of the hurt feeling come from Tony not sending an explanation or apology after he decided to take the other "I'll take it" for the asking price.
I'll be honest and say that if I was offered quite a bit more money for a knife but already told someone they could have it but for a lot lower price I'd might
consider the higher offer. But what I wouldn't do is not provide an apology and/ or explanation of the reason why I did. Were all grown ups here and I think being
straight forward with people is the best way to reason and have people understand you.
 
Most every time I have taken a deal through PM/email I make sure to tell the buyer to go post an "I'll take it per PM" in the thread.
I have forgotten to tell them that a few times, and a couple of times the buyer didn't want to be identified. In that case I would go right to the thread and mark it as "SPF".

If the deal is already done through PM or email, and someone did come along and post the "I'll take it" before one of us could get to the thread, I would tell that person something like... "I'm sorry, but the knife was just now sold through PM. I was just coming to mark it as SPF. If for some reason the sale doesn't go through, I will sale it to you for the same price if you still want it."

OP, don't let it bother you much. With some of the stuff I've seen here this year, this isn't much to worry about. Just chalk it up as a lesson learned, and make sure to go to the thread and place the... I'll take it per PM.
And Tonystl, If I did a deal through PM, I would start going to the thread and marking it as SPF if I were you.
 
As Esav noted earlier, communication is of utmost importance. If you don't clarify what is going on either in your thread or during an interaction with a potential buyer/seller/trader it only makes you look like the bad guy. I can understand why the buyer is pissed off, any of us would be mad if we were in his shoes.

Many buyers get chastized because they backout. People want to rant and rave about it as if some sort of irreparable harm was done. Now that the shoe is on the other foot so to speak, the same thing is happenening, although less often seen. I think an apology should have been offered and communication made, that would have been the mature thing to do.
 
If I say "it's a deal", it's a done deal...................

But that's me!!
 
I did apologize. It's either piss him off or the other guy. I stood by what my thread said. Nothing exchanged hands so I can't give anything back.

I don't know what more to say.

I don't, however, appreciate the use of this thread to call me names (scoundrel).
 
The other guy wouldnt be pissed,just say sold via pm.It happens all the time.If you give your word,you should honor it.
 
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