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Top 5 MBC for SD

I am no expert either, but have owned the chinook, and handled the yojimbo as well as the kerambit. I understand that the wharncliff (sp) blade is good for deep slashes due to the edge all the way forward creating a deeper cut in the same distance compared to, say, a chinook. I would think the difference would be only a 1/4 inch or less, but that may mean hitting the artery that ends the confrontation. The yojimbos blade has a very thin tip so it could get damaged easily depending on what you're doing with it. The best part of the yojimbo, to me, is the handle. It offers a quite secure grip. Havn't spent too much time with a compression lock, but have only heard good things.
With that said, the chinook has what is probably one of the strongest lock backs ever. It also has a handle that would be near impossible to slip off of if you've got a good grip. The blade is tilted forward slightly aidding in cut depth. The blade is also thick yet very pointy. -In a generic stabbing motion, to me, the arm extends, then begins to cross. This is where an aggressive clip point blade is best. This could be done with the yojimbo, but to less effect. This could not be done with the kerambit. In my opinion, to sum it up, the kerambit is a pure slasher, the yojimbo a good slasher -that can be used to stab, and the chinook, a great "slasher", "stabber" combination.
Please keep in mind that the farthest my trainning extends is to a few dvds. But I try to think logically. I'm sure the yojimbo could be used quite effectivly if that's what you end up with.
 
siggy, GREAT ideas bro. thanks for adding your thoughts. i agree with what you stated... something about the Karambit just is calling my name... today at my training session with my trainer, i just felt really good with it and i think that for right now, i am going to get the Karambit, then the Yojimbo, then the Chinook.

the Chinook. i love this blade too... this was 3rd on my list as well... i will end up with these three knives in the near future, i can guarantee it.. i love them all but as for me right now, i am going to be getting the Karambit i believe.. thanks to all who helped and any more thought is helpful.
 
I can only add a noobs opinion to this.

From my perspective, would rather and do have a bellied blade for slashing instead of hooking and tearing.

I would be terrified to hook an artery, now Pen time is very possible.

I would rather control my slash depth power by my desire instead of actually being pulled into it or snagging, i know it would be unlikely on a razor edge, still, i would rather deter them then waste em.

JMTC

PS, i am a stated noob, no official or trained backing this thought, just my own feeling of it.

Peace

WR
 
Pete1977 said:
are we talking knife duelling?

the knife assaults i've seen were blitz-style attacks, with ample verbal warning and escalation before hand, offering the victim plenty of time to escape until the immediate assault, and the assault itself came from behind-

or, a fistfight that escalated into one person arming themselves with a small automatic, which NO ONE saw, until I found it on the floor afterwards. all parties vacated, and there was no knife injuries to our knowlege, and no mention of the attack in the paper.

Before you take knife-fighting or other martial art training, condition yourself to be aware of your surroundings, where you are, who is around you, etc. look and listen. clothing styles, tattoos, a knife clipped to a pocket, etc. listen to conversations. in the first assault I mentioned, which came after the second actually, the assailant actually said "go get the shank"

self-awareness is the first self defense skill you should master.

In either of the above anecdotes, martial arts training would have been no help. esp. in the second one mentioned.

Peter
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Pete, I was just responding to the question asked. I advocate vacating the area if possible where a forthcoming assault is indicated if possible to do without leaving yourself or someone near and dear vulnerable to attack. As to your contention that training would have been no help in your scenarios, I don't know. I wasn't there for either one. As for the first one as you describe it, if I couldn't retreat, and I determined that there was definitely going to be an assault, I would immediately, aggressively, and without hesitation move to incapacitate the most immediate threat by any means possible as quickly as possible, then address the threat from behind (also putting the first assailant between me and the incoming second assailant). IMHO training would have helped in that case and even in dealing with an attack from behind assuming the ability to move after initial onslaught. As for the second one, (assuming both parties weren't equally well trained) if one of the combatents was a well versed martial artist, the "fist fight" wouldn't have lasted long enough for the drawing of the automatic to have happened, it would have been over as soon as it started. I have seen untrained vs well trained confrontations on a couple of occassions and both of them were over so fast it was comical. I am not trying to be adversarial, and will, in the end, defer to your opinion since you were there and I was not, but I just wanted to give my opinions on the scenarios as you positted them. I ascribe to the old saying "the more you train in peacetime, the less you bleed in war" it holds true in every facet of life from the office to the battlefield. Yes, you can get hit by a meteor, car, falling tree, or lightening and your training isn't good for shit, but IMHO training will at least help you out in 98% of situations. I also think that anybody training in martial arts should think about some type of de-escalation training. I am not afraid to fight if I have to, but I would much rather talk my way out of it if I could even if facing an obviously inferior opponent. Lucky shots and jail time are a possibility in any confrontation..., and I would rather not fall victim to either.
 
Hair said:
This is impossible to determine since there are degrees of effectiveness and it varries from person to person based on strength and accuracy. I do not see why this is an issue since neither of our arguements requires we know how small is too small. My arguement is that sub-3inch combat knives such as most Karambits, or the TDI are not too small to be ineffective. This is pretty much proven by reality and their track record.


Yes I am. That is why I stated it. But most "experts" disagree with you. Strongly. And by "most" I mean virtually all of them.


There isn't a large amount of people disagreeing. They mostly agree. The results achieved by small combat knives are so known and consistant that it is hard to be an expert and not know that they are effective. Experts tend to know about reality and agree that reality exists.


No we are not. We are talking about whether sub-3-inch combat knives are effective or not. They are. They can inflict enough damage to be effective. Most experts feel they are even more dangerous (to an attacker) than a larger knife. How small is too small is not being discussed. I am saying there are sub-3-inch knives that are effective SD knives. I am not saying all sub-3-inch knives are effective SD knives. I base a knife's effectiveness in SD on it's effectiveness in SD, not its blade length. And thus, finding a magic number under which no blade can be used for SD is pointless.


Yes it does, and 3 inches (and less) is more than enough. Or rather, more than 3 inches is not required. That is why you were wrong, and that is why I corrected you.
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This debate is getting out of hand. You'll continue to believe what you'll believe and so will I. Let's put aside the negative tones and agree to disagree. I apologize if you felt I was in any way disrespecting you, personally attacking you or dismissing the merit in any of your points, this was never my intent. This doesn't change what I believe to be true, though there seems to have been a good amount of miscommunication between our posts which helped escalate the conflict. I understand that everyone has the right to there own conclusions and that my knowledge base isn't absolute, I'm not God after all. Please accept my sincere apology.
 
Pete1977 said:
ignoramus. my post is not directed at you. my post is answering a question you posed. that question is :



My answer to that question are the reasons mentioned above. It is a general answer to the qestion Would you mind elaborating on why you believe what I said is wrong and the smaller blade is better?

I apologise for what you gathered was my tone of the post. There is in fact no tone to it, it is simply an answer to a question.

Peter
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I apologize for assuming that I knew your intent. Your feedback was very well stated.
 
hi, guys. I have a question about chinook. Can this knife be opened using centrifugal or gravity forces? I live in Canada. If it can then i'll have to ask the dealer to fasten the pivot. TIA.
 
i am not sure X but one of the fellas here will answer that for you. welcome to the forum man! you will love it here. the guys are real nice.

i want a chinook too. but my next knife is the karambit
 
If you think a blade can be used to save your life, you could be very wrong.

The only thing that will definitely save your life is your brain.

Use it, and stop obsessing about self-defence.

When were you last attacked ? what happened? do you even remember what you did ? what was the outcome ? you obviously survived.
 
@meshmdz
Thanks for the welcome.

@Gerard
Thanks, man. That's what I want to know.
 
First , yes, Welcome Xaero,

where in canada are you located X?

There are Spydie dealers here bro, so the customs part is negated.

I am in alberta and there a few knife shops, but most are in gun shops locally, and they are hungry and usually will deal abit.

WR
 
casares, if this thread annoys you, go play somewhere else. i am not obsessing over SD. i am simply interested in it and am currently taking lessons from a professional martial artist, that just happens to use a karambit. for your information i have been in more fights and altercations than i care to mention. i grew up in a very bad, high poverty/crime area. my mom had her car vandalized and was pestered by thugs and shitbags all the time. i was as well, because i was white in a black neighborhood. (waiting on some fool to call me racist again) i have a scar on my forehead where i was cut when i fell the ground by a HUGE, and what turned out to be a dull blade,thankfully. i got 19 stiches across the left front side of my forehead. so before you go telling me that i shouldnt obsess over certain things, walk a mile in my shoes.
 
war raven, gun shops in canada!?!?!?!?! i thought guns were illegal and were terribly hard to come by there.
 
Hehe mesh, yeah most handgund and autos are,
We did have a grandpa law when the new gun law came into place.

Basically, if you already owned an full auto,semi auto or big damn nasty handgun, you could continue to own an purchase that type of gun again.

If you registered it, and it wasnt illegal in the first place.

Pardon my dyslexic typings too please, my fingers get ahead of themselves.

Oh and if your a bad guy, a chromed 357 mag can be had for around $100-150.

This is what pisses us the most, the only ones with decent guns now are th bad guys.:jerkit:

:D
WR
 
No length limit on either fixxed or folder type.
(Other then private establishments, the only ones with rules are the Bars, no knives allowed in the bar, oh and the Court house.)

Though, Autos and gravity type are highly illegal.

Most leo here say,as long as it is not concealed, now that is wide range, but comes down to what were you doing when the law got involved is going to decide if your legal or illegal.

I live in a oil an gas based province similiar to your texas in our hearts, we live large and fairly free still, and most farm boys or older guys still packa good knife all the time.

Of course city folks, born and raised there are now a different animal and are of sheeple variety, not me, I smoke, I drink whiskey, i suntan, i own and drive big block chevy's and i live life the way i was raised.

May even seen an ol still kicking around our ol pumphouse too, but i can not confirm nor deny this part lol.

Sorry for helpin O/T your thread man.
WR
 
bigbcustom said:
Pete, I was just responding to the question asked. I advocate vacating the area if possible where a forthcoming assault is indicated if possible to do without leaving yourself or someone near and dear vulnerable to attack. As to your contention that training would have been no help in your scenarios, I don't know. I wasn't there for either one. As for the first one as you describe it, if I couldn't retreat, and I determined that there was definitely going to be an assault, I would immediately, aggressively, and without hesitation move to incapacitate the most immediate threat by any means possible as quickly as possible, then address the threat from behind (also putting the first assailant between me and the incoming second assailant). IMHO training would have helped in that case and even in dealing with an attack from behind assuming the ability to move after initial onslaught. As for the second one, (assuming both parties weren't equally well trained) if one of the combatents was a well versed martial artist, the "fist fight" wouldn't have lasted long enough for the drawing of the automatic to have happened, it would have been over as soon as it started. I have seen untrained vs well trained confrontations on a couple of occassions and both of them were over so fast it was comical. I am not trying to be adversarial, and will, in the end, defer to your opinion since you were there and I was not, but I just wanted to give my opinions on the scenarios as you positted them. I ascribe to the old saying "the more you train in peacetime, the less you bleed in war" it holds true in every facet of life from the office to the battlefield. Yes, you can get hit by a meteor, car, falling tree, or lightening and your training isn't good for shit, but IMHO training will at least help you out in 98% of situations. I also think that anybody training in martial arts should think about some type of de-escalation training. I am not afraid to fight if I have to, but I would much rather talk my way out of it if I could even if facing an obviously inferior opponent. Lucky shots and jail time are a possibility in any confrontation..., and I would rather not fall victim to either.
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bigbcustom-

i wholeheartedly believe that training is important, but, i also believe that it can build a false sense of self confidence, and on occasion cause someone to remain in a place where perhaps they should not be because they have training. it can also be a hindrance, take for instance a situation that has not been covered in a lesson. hopefully you improvise. some people freeze. it is dependant on the person, in my opinion. in the fight in the crowded bar, training would have done nothing. it was over before I knew it had started, and i was the most sober person in the place. the other incedent was due to stupidity on the part of the victim, who continued to accost the assailant, an ex con spoiling for a fight, even after he ordered his sidekick to "get the shank" from the car, across the street from the bar. (same as above)

My thoughts are that training is a useful and very important addition to the arsenal of self defense. A knife is as well. but the most important weapon someone has is their mind, and before they train their bodies to protect themselves, we should train our minds, to recognise and avoid violent confrontations. Training and a knife can also be a hindrance to self defense, and unfortunately, no one knows how well either will work under the high stress of a life or death confrontation, and the fact that each person's response will be different has to be taken into account. After a violent encounter, recollect it, how did you feel, if you have some type of martial arts training, did you use it? did it work?

The ultimate goal of self defense is to get away safely and soundly. I feel that the aftermath of an incedent of violence should be included in the above statement. you could escape in one piece, but what of the consequences of your actions. can you live with them? I advocate staying as far within the law as possible to avoid the repercussions of potential criminal charges and civil action by the assailant(now the victim)

Peter
 
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