Tops vs Busse which is better?

Fine, let's get into the semantics of what might constitute fanboyism to me or to you, I am certain the standards will vary by the individual.

First, let me reiterate something I had hoped would be abundantly clear by now since I first opened the worm can--I have never claimed a widespread phenomenon is or was present. I readily agree that most of the Busse subforum members are earnest folks who straightforwardly answer questions.

HOWEVER, the resistance to the charge that some owners/fans, sometimes cross the line to the point of offensiveness, is remarkable in its own right.

So, without further ado, a recent and "mild" example of what I am talking abouthttp://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3867346&postcount=4

Is that egregious? No. Did I miss the humor? Maybe. But this is the mild condescension that started me down the dark path in this thread. This attitude, even when it is playful, is irritating. Again, just so that people understand, I am not saying this is the norm, it is the exception, but it has always rubbed me the wrong way. At no point have I been trying to portray my observation as a widespread problem, or make it out to be anything but a personal distaste, so by tomorrow I will search for more florid examples of what I am talking about. Unfortunately I have to work for the rest of the day.

I am sure I will find some references to all kinds of things that can't compete with Busse, would get spanked, chopped in half, etcetera in line with some of what I remember.
 
Boats said:
That part of the "ownership experience," along with the fact that some Busse fans come off like the worst pro-Glock droolers, mar what is otherwise a great knife series for the money demanded.
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What I don't get is how other people's enjoyment of a brand mars your own experience with a knife. You must be awfully sensitive.

I've seen this same kind of complaint on the gun boards. People perceive elitism at the clays range, where others are shooting $20,000 Perazzis. But you know what? A lot of times, those Perazzi-toters are the very folks that will go out of their way to help a neophyte bust a few clays with his/her Remington 870. Snobbery exists everywhere, but a lot of times, snobbery is perceived more than it is intentionally projected.

I don't find any kind of elitism at the Busse forum. While supportive of the Busse brand, the folks there do not knock other brands. At least I am yet to see such a post.

The Hogs and the Piglets don't take themselves too seriously. They know how to have fun and enjoy some well-made products, and they post about them with a lot of enthusiasm. If that somehow mars your experience with the brand, why whine about it? Why do you feel a need to diminish a part of the knife community?
 
Guyon said:
While supportive of the Busse brand, the folks there do not knock other brands.
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Okay, I take that back. Frost knives, perhaps...

Let's make that, "the folks there do not knock other respected brands."

Maybe it is the whole Hogs/Piglets thing that puts you off. To me, that's just carrying on in good fun. It's the basis of a lot of joking and comraderie. The Hogs (Busse hoarders) know who they are, and they don't seek formal recognition. But Jerry and Co. at Busse Combat do formally "anoint" them as a way of showing appreciation to the best customers. That's just good business.
 
Boats said:
I am sure I will find some references to all kinds of things that can't compete with Busse, would get spanked, chopped in half, etcetera in line with some of what I remember.
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While you are at it, be sure to cite all the references where said claims about Busse toughness were proven wrong.

Boats said:
But this is the mild condescension that started me down the dark path in this thread.
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So it's only fair that you be condescending in return, right? :rolleyes:
 
I think maybe Boats is reading too much into people's comments about Busse knives.

I could care less how other folks feel about them. I've done my homework, and I like what I see in Busse.

Every company has its advocates and its hype. But the Busse warranty is as top notch as they come. It backs up its hype by saying, "Go ahead and break one if you can. We'll fix it or replace it."

I like the fact that I can buy a Busse, use it like crazy, enjoy solid performance, not worry about damage, and if I choose, probably get my money out of the knife if I choose to sell it. I love my two big Beckers (BK-7 and BK-9), but they don't stand up to Busse when it comes to those last two categories.

There aren't too many brands that do.

nelly1974, I'm sorry your thread got hijacked. I really cannot speak to your question because I have never owned a TOPS knife. I do like the Busse brand for the reasons stated above. Yes, they are expensive for a production knife. But with the price comes good performance and peace of mind. Busse knives also hold their value well because of their limited production and the high demand for them.
 
All of the faux wounds, will the bloodshed never cease?:rolleyes:

If you have your opinions about Busse knives, that's great. I haven't a negative thing to say about the knives. I haven't a negative thing to say about the vast majority of the owners either.

Perhaps, in retrospect, insufferable prick was too strong a coloration to choose, even though there was never any broadbrush in the paint can.

So, just a question, when I do find the time to rake all of the coals of the subforum and something embarrasing invariably flares to new life, are you seriously going to defend everyone who ever owned a Busse or even purported to own one?

Such an effort, if undertaken, seems awfully sensitive in its own right.
 
Boats said:
...are you seriously going to defend everyone who ever owned a Busse or even purported to own one?
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God no! I have enough trouble defending myself sometimes. :D

I hope we didn't scare the TOPS peeps away. I still want to hear more as I am in the market for a smaller EDC (shamless self advertisement).
 
Boats said:
So, just a question, when I do find the time to rake all of the coals of the subforum and something embarrasing invariably flares to new life, are you seriously going to defend everyone who ever owned a Busse or even purported to own one?
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What's your point? More to the matter, what's the point? You could find insufferable, over-the-top posters on any manufacturer's subforum here. Pick one. Any one. And you'd find the same "embarrassing" posts. I could find you a Frost fanatic if you give me enough time with the Search tool.

Given that fact, I don't know how you're able to own any knives at all--seeing as how such behavior "mars" your experience with a brand. ;)

Not sure I defended everyone who owned a Busse. Did I say that? Show me. Oh that's right... you don't have to go to the trouble. Because you said it, that's enough. :D
 
I love busse..... why cause after years and years i have finaly found a knife that can stand up to the abuse i throw its way.... and just so we are all out in the open and honest.... i talk trash about one brand.... why cause i think they are horrid.... cold steal sucks....
 
Boats said:
Once again, to each his own, I am not slamming Busse Combat or the knives, just detailing a personal reason, (maybe even a full blown psychotic overreaction-OMG!!!;), that sees me never checking out the wares anymore.
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:yawn: I don't understand why you feel the need to express your negative opinion about anybody, be it one, a few, or the whole Busse community. While it may be your right, I don't see exactly it is that you hope to accomplish. A jerk, if one exists, will still be a jerk after you have told him exactly why he is a jerk. A newbie who reads your opinions will take your opinion into account and make up his/her own mind. I can only conclude that you are desperate to make your voice heard simply for the sake of being heard. It is your way of trying to get noticed.

Busse makes a tremendous product that stands on its own, requiring no hype from anyone. That there may be one or more people who embrace Busse with a level of excitement or exuberance that you might think more resembles fanaticism or elitism frankly does not matter to me. You know what they say about opinions, and yours has been duly noted. I, however, like 99% of the rest of the world, prefer to form my own opinions rather than have them forced upon me. And my opinion of Busse will be based on their products, their warranty, and their customer service.
 
valleytinworks said:
cold steal sucks....
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Uh oh. Here we go... :D
Think I may just settle back and watch this one now.
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Well it is nice to see that we are mostly remaining good humored over this.

Here, I propose this by way of apology if we can all just drop this. I won't have to waste my time searching the subforum for slights real and imagined, and no one will have to waste their time defending decontextualized comments or attacking me for overstating a vague bunch of memories.

I am totally convinced:

Busse owners are the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human beings I've ever known in my life. ;) :cool:
 
on_the_edge said:
:yawn: I don't understand why you feel the need to express your negative opinion about anybody, be it one, a few, or the whole Busse community. While it may be your right, I don't see exactly it is that you hope to accomplish. A jerk, if one exists, will still be a jerk after you have told him exactly why he is a jerk. A newbie who reads your opinions will take your opinion into account and make up his/her own mind. I can only conclude that you are desperate to make your voice heard simply for the sake of being heard. It is your way of trying to get noticed.

Busse makes a tremendous product that stands on its own, requiring no hype from anyone. That there may be one or more people who embrace Busse with a level of excitement or exuberance that you might think more resembles fanaticism or elitism frankly does not matter to me. You know what they say about opinions, and yours has been duly noted. I, however, like 99% of the rest of the world, prefer to form my own opinions rather than have them forced upon me. And my opinion of Busse will be based on their products, their warranty, and their customer service.
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Well, you got me pardner. I bypassed the usual way of getting noticed around here, which is just to pony up some coin and stick some scantily clad bimbo in my avatar and went straight for the old, and endearing BTW, "I hate Busse fans, please read my posts."

Yeah, I could never think of anything easier or less personally costly to get a little attention than that.

You didn't happen to attend the Kevin McClung School of Interpersonal Relationships to gain such valuable insights did you?
 
What better topic to discuss in the Busse forum besides Busse!!

If you buy a Busse and absolutely love it, this is the place to voice it. There are some hardcore diehard Busse fans; Jerry is very lucky to have this level of support.

Bottom line is that if it's YOUR knife, you are allowed to love it to death and spread the word.......................
 
Boats said:
Well it is nice to see that we are mostly remaining good humored over this.

Here, I propose this by way of apology if we can all just drop this. I won't have to waste my time searching the subforum for slights real and imagined, and no one will have to waste their time defending decontextualized comments or attacking me for overstating a vague bunch of memories.

I am totally convinced:

Busse owners are the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human beings I've ever known in my life. ;) :cool:
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Do you usually apologize with dripping sarcasm? :D

You know, it could just be one or two threads that are sticking in your vague memories. That's how stereotypes usually work... an isolated impression followed by a hasty generalization. Why don't you go by the Busse forum and actually read what people write?

Just scanning some of the current threads...

There's one where Ferhman gets a fair shake. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=414540

There's a thread here where a newbie gets a straight answer:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=414587

A thread here that shows how well-wishing the Busse community can be:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=414587

Here's some of the drooling that puts you off, but it's turned to humor because of the prolonged hype. The Hogs like their hype, but they don't stake their identities on it. Half the fun, in fact, is in the way people carry on: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260270

Okay, can we just agree to disagree and get on to Cold Steal? I'd like for this thread to turn really ugly now. :D
 
OK, OK ,OK. you guys convinced me!!
secretly i have always wanted one and started this thread in the hopes that i would find Tops owners that would state their case but i guess they are awol, also i was hoping that some of you would discourage me from wanting a busse but i guess that backfired:o .
anyway thanks for the insights guys and for the amusement that seemed to takeover.
Boats: i took your comments with the amount of seriusness i think you intended it for. CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!
anyway i have a tops bordercrossing 154cm. i want to trade for a small busse. will someone help me into the piglets stages?:D
 
Sarcasm? More like an apology with a little classical zest. I thought the owners could take it or I wouldn't have posted it. I don't know how many more times I can say that the vast majority of you guys are alright, and my memories are somehow darker than they should be in retrospect.

So I did what the usual internet idiot did:

1) Stepped in it.
2) Instead of stepping out of it, went in with both feet.
3) Started digging.
4) Decided it wasn't worth it.
5) Admitted to stepping into it
6) Admitted that I might not even clearly remember what "it" even was.
7) Sort of apologized for stepping in it.
8) Remained convinced that there was still something to "it," but that maybe it doesn't really smell as bad as I remembered it.
9) Sort of made amends to the folks who didn't become insufferable pricks about my turning into an insufferable prick.
10) Had to get a last shot in, even if it was oblique, elitist, and sarcastic.
11) Wrote this explainer.
12) Damn, now for the first time in two years I want a Busse, that is if you guys could ever see fit to suffering my presence. Remember, there is no bigger zealot than the recent convert.;)

There, a 12 step program for the passive/aggressive.:D
 
Well, the Fehrman thread got moved to Knife Testing. Maybe it didn't get such a fair shake. :D

Look I'll be the first to admit there is a kind of campiness over at the Busse forum. But it's all in good fun, and the thing is... anybody can play, even if he/she doesn't even own a Busse. There is a lot of joking that goes on over there, but you don't see other brands being badmouthed. There are a lot of threads that extol the virtues of Busse knives, but you can find the same thing on the Spyderco forum, the Buck forum, the Schrade forum, you name it... Isn't that at least part of the point of these subforums? That fans of the different knives have a place to congregate?
 
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