Totally bogus BF member.... "Dan GSR"

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Stagger Lee

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This is about a totally bogus person whose a regular to the balisong forum,his BF handle is Dan GSR.
We had talked about me purchasing a Balisong knife from him that he could get me from his dealer.
Well he had told me all he wanted was a $10 finders fee,and I had no problem with giving him that.
I told him it would take me approximately a week to get the cash together to buy it,and I contacted him 2 times within 3 days to let him know I had half the money already together and i would have the rest of the cash within the week time span.
Next thing I know he's posting about the knife on the balisong forum,telling everybody how they should have one of them KNOWING they were a hard knife to get,and of course people starting to email him asking if he knew where to get another one.
I emailed him to ask him what he was doing,and if was entertaining other offers.He told me that he didn't know what to do and that he like the knife alot,and that he was thinking of buying that second knife for himself,but didn't have the cash to buy it.He then said he would contact me and let me know before he does anything.
Well the same day he emails be back and tells me that he's decided to start an online auction for the knife via email,and told me what the current bid was in case I wanted to bid on it....yeah RIGHT!!!
Basically I think this guy is a bogus greedy jerk and only decided he wouldn't sell it to me cause he found out he could make more money on it.
There's ALOT of honorable,giving,trustworthy people who visit these blade forums and i've had the pleasure of talking to a few of them,I just wanted to let you all know that there are alot of jerks that visit here as well...and this guy is one of them.
So if you ever get an email from this guy,or plan on making a transaction with thim,i would think twice and think about what a jerk he was to me,and that you could be next if you let him.
-Stagger Lee
 
I'm sorry if I upset you. I am not trying to pull a fast one.
Firstly you were not the first person to ask me about the knife, so you can't even say that you had first dibs. I never promised the knife to you. You have the right to express your feelings; So I'm not mad at you for posting this thread. I just want other people to know that I'm not a bad guy. I decided to sell the knife to someone else. He was very courteous and friendly. Just because you can't really afford the knife doesn't mean you can take it out on me. When the transaction is complete I hope that the buyer will agree to post a positive response here.
 
I think if you agreed to wait for him to get some cash together that you had somewhat of a verbal agreement. Even if he wasn't the first to reply to your sale you should not have misled him to believe that you were able to make a deal with him or would allow him a grace period to find some extra money.

I think it's bad form...if I am missing the whole story, I'm sorry, but from what I can gather, Stagger got a bum deal.
 
I did not feel obligated to sell him the knife.
If I did, I would have just told him that my dealer sold the knife already and was no longer available. But I'm not that kind of guy.

I think both of us went about the transaction in the wrong way. Next time I believe I will go about selling knives in a different manner.
 
It's understood that you didn't feel obligated to sell him the knife, or you would have. The point is that you misled him into believing you were selling him the knife and he tried very hard to scrape together some extra cash for you. I just hope he didn't have to sell anything of value to make room for your sale or he would be very dissapointed in the whole situation.

Try to be more honest with people and they will tend to understand your situation much easier than if you back out of a deal or agreement or whatever it may be.
 
Dan GSR,

I've seen your posts from the forum and you appear to be a great guy and an educated bali collector. However, any verbal contract is an agreement set in stone, as far as I'm concerned. After all, a man is only as good as his word.


And as far as poker states, a card laid is a card played. This is an ethical issue that reflects a gentleman's character.
 
Off I go to the Doc's and had to stop into GB&U before I hit the door (stop pulling my arm WOMAN!!!)
Before I go and beat up a Physcian, I gotta tell ya that this is CRAP. if you agree to sell a person a knife, I don't care if you find out you can get five million for it, all you have on BF is your word. it's an HONOR THING. Oops, I can't use bolds and italics with one hand!!!
GSR, you gave your word, don't pull that "I may have given the impression bullsh*t" What part of this 'deal" is so freakin confusing? You and another formite agreed to a deal, with a FINDER'S FEE (WTF IS THAT?. he busts his A$$ to get the cash up, and you decide to hold an AUCTION?
What are you running, the HOME SHOPPING NETWORK??
I gotta go, my wife is screaming at me, but sell the man the BALI for ^&%'s SAKE.
BF has 99.99999% of it's membership being honest, upstanding folks full of INTEGRITY. Don't make the percentage of scumbags increase by adding your name to the list...........Ira

FINDER'S FEE??? I cannot believe that one....I know, my FINAL opinion on something that IS MY BUSINESS because it has to do with BF, my new home away from home ( just wait, I do have a laptop:p :p :p :p :p :p
 
If the deal was conducted thru email there is a record of what was said and when. I would suggest posting the email if there is no objections.
 
This is what I have learned:

1) Clear communication is essential to any transaction. If the person backs out or does not respond to any questions, prior to the deal, I don't deal with them. I like details and I like to make sure that the deal is crystal clear for both parties.

2) My word is all I have here. I have made good on any mistakes I have made by just buying/selling to make sure I don't get (one of these posts) blacklisted. I'd rather be able to make future deals here than sit around with someone else's money in my pocket. How long will the money last vs. how long will I have a good reputation.

3) I think it is clear that Bladeforums is not e-Bay. I hate auctions therefore I don't shop on e-Bay. I prefer the straight-forward dealing I have experienced here on the forums.

4) I'd like to think we could all be rational and treat each other with respect. Unfortunately, there are a lot of hot-heads in this world. There is a place for giving negative feedback on individuals and GB&U has saved me from entering into deals with those people.

I hope you can resolve this issue. If you look at my post regarding the USPS, I am helpless. There is nothing more I can do at this point. You have the opportunity to rectify this situation immediately.

Sincerely, Leo Gilbert
 
Dan GSR, you have shown just what your word is worth, and I for one would not deal with in any kind of deal.

This forum is not for trying to pressure someone into doing the "right thing", and as such, I won't deal with anyone who engages in underhanded crap, regardless of the outcome after posting it here.
 
Actually, if I remember correctly (correct me if I am wrong) but it was a BM 43DM. I was offered that knife from Dan GSR as well. I did'nt want to pay the extra $ that it was being sold for. About $60. more than it actually costs (regardless of collectors value). If in fact there was an agreeement to wait until the other party had the $ together then the agreement should have been kept. It's not like you are losing out on money, I mean you were getting a finders fee on top of it all (which is kind of a shady concept as well). I've seen Dan GSR on the forums many times and I also think that he seemed knowledgeable and a contributing member here but, you shoulda waited for the customer as you said you would. Charging a finders fee is also more the acitivity of a dealer or purveyor but as long as the client agrees then whatever. As I remember Dan also told me that he was auctioning it off for a friend.... Never the less, we should probably forgive Dan and move on, just next time maybe do the deal via phone as there will be no lack of communication there....just two extra cents....RDT
 
I don't think this is fair guys. Everyone is against me.

:( :( :( :( :(

Stagger Lee is the one who is being sneaky now. He's trying to use sympathy and guilt to sell him the knife.
I feel bad that I upset him. But I did not once say that I would sell him the knife. In fact 4 people before him sent me emails asking about the knife. One person was very serious about it but unfortuantly he was unable to afford it at the time.

You have to forgive me, I too was very confused.
I didn't know If I wanted to keep a second one for myself.
I like the knife very much and was considering getting another as backup, just in case something were to happen to the one i had.
Then I saw the pictures from the shot show and decided that since they will be coming out with some new knives this year, that I'd be better off selling it for a little profit and save, so that I can afford these other knives. I don't even have a job at the moment. So if I can make a little money off the transaction, why not??

People sell limited edition knives of more then retail all the time. If there is someone who wants it enough they will buy it. I mean just the other day I saw a 49SPL and the guy was asking $2,000 for it. Yes its a beautiful piece. I know if I had the money I'd buy it right now. But I don't. Would it be fair if I played psychological mind games with him in order for him to sell me the knife for a lower price? NO

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1044045840

Again I have to stress that I'm not the bad guy that is portayed in this thread.
 
Personally Dan, I don't see you as "the bad guy". From what I've read in this forum, the majority of people on this forum have no retail or general business experience. If they did, they'd know the old and oft-repeated axiom: "A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on".

but given that, as far as I can tell from what's been posted here, the two of you didn't even have a verbal contract. The seller of *any* merchandise is entitled to entertain offers from whoever they wish, until it's been sold (cash exchanged, not merely an e-mail or six exchanged), it's still for sale. Simple really.

As for all this "a man's word is his bond" "code of honour" stuff. It sounds good in theory, and worked great in the 1800's when everyone were gentlemen, but these days there are more people out to screw each other for a percentage than there are decent, honourable people. Fact of 21st century life. not that I'm accusing either party of this (just had to get that clear before I get toasted :) ).
 
Hoo boy! I predict you're going to be deluged with members wanting to do business with you now, Shortgoth. I'm going to quote your entire post just because it would be terrible if such a comprehensive explanation of your personal ethics were to be accidentally edited before everybody who might consider doing business with you sees it.

Originally posted by shortgoth
Personally Dan, I don't see you as "the bad guy". From what I've read in this forum, the majority of people on this forum have no retail or general business experience. If they did, they'd know the old and oft-repeated axiom: "A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on".

but given that, as far as I can tell from what's been posted here, the two of you didn't even have a verbal contract. The seller of *any* merchandise is entitled to entertain offers from whoever they wish, until it's been sold (cash exchanged, not merely an e-mail or six exchanged), it's still for sale. Simple really.

As for all this "a man's word is his bond" "code of honour" stuff. It sounds good in theory, and worked great in the 1800's when everyone were gentlemen, but these days there are more people out to screw each other for a percentage than there are decent, honourable people. Fact of 21st century life. not that I'm accusing either party of this (just had to get that clear before I get toasted :) ).
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shortgoth,
If I wasn't utterly filled with contempt for the attitude conveyed in your comments above, I might be able to laugh about it.

It sounds good in theory, and worked great in the 1800's when everyone were gentlemen, but these days there are more people out to screw each other for a percentage than there are decent, honourable people. Fact of 21st century life.
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A word of advice shortgoth - it's only a "fact of 21st century life" if you yourself are one of those morally corrupt individuals who tries to screw people. In this world, you get what you give.

The rest of us here on these forums have had countless good transactions with one another. We also have something we call honor. It doesn't just sound good to us - it actually means something.
 
C-mon, You get what you give??? That's a bunch of BS. Lets be real here!! I for one have been bent over the saw horse more than once for a percentage, and probably from some of you. lol. However I would never consider doing it back, and I certainly don't need a box of cleanex to wipe up all my tears over the issue. Cry me a river!!!
 
You don't have to "screw" someone to make money. You can profit from a trade without compromising your integrity.

That is, only if you have some integrity to begin with.
 
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