Totally bogus BF member.... "Dan GSR"

Dan, I tried to be neutral in my post. I don't see anyone as the bad guy here, just miscommunication. No one is out any money, right? If both parties can agree to learn from this then we could end this now (or we could just watch the unethical get fried for their comments :D ). Please don't think I am taking sides. I can see both. I hope you guys figure it out. Good luck. Sincerely, Leo G.
 
Anyone that believes that your word is not your bond and that believes that even if someone has agreed to sell another person something, that they have the right to take a higher offer unless money has actually changed hands has told the whole of BladeForums that he is totally without ethics. I find it difficult to believe that someone would actually post something like that.

Maybe I am missing something here, but thanks for the heads up. That post sure let me know one person on this forum that I wouldn't even contemplate doing any business with. I have seen curbers with more business ethics than that. Amazing.
 
As for all this "a man's word is his bond" "code of honour" stuff. It sounds good in theory, and worked great in the 1800's when everyone were gentlemen, but these days there are more people out to screw each other for a percentage than there are decent, honourable people. Fact of 21st century life.
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I feel there are more decent people than you would think. If I did something dishonorable my dad would give me hell! My wife would be disappointed and my co-workers would scorn me. I would do the same to any of them. My point being that dishonorable conduct is not acceptable. My experience has been that there is more regard for the unwritten laws of proper conduct than the law itself. I pray that I am not in the minority.
 
Well I don't know if were going to get the whole story here.All I know is that IF it is true you did agree to hold the balisong for a week while he scraped together the money,than that is a deal,unless the other party broke a part of the agreement.However;If you did not agree to wait a week for him and did not agree on price and terms than and only then did you have the right to sell to someone else.Thats my two cents,Ralph
 
Here's the deal.....

Dan GSR:
I don't care what you say,you KNEW I wanted that knife,if I wasn't interetsed I wouldn't of persued it as much as I did.I kept in constant contact with you,so you can;t say that I wasn't clear if i wanted it or not.The only reason you sold it to somebody else is cause you knew you could make more money off of him.
BTW I wouldn't buy the knife from you now,even if you offered it to me for half the price,just cause i'm a man of principles,and I wouldn't want anything from you after you pulled this stunt.

To everybody else:
Thanks for all the responses,i'm glad to see that their's other people here who believe that your only as good as your word,and that you should always honor your word.
I'm just sorry to see the responses from the people who DON'T think you should honor your word...sad,very sad.
I have most of the emails from our transaction,but I did delete a few of them,but it's really silly for me to post all of them,which there's over 10 of them,so i'm not going to bother with it.
But if eberybody REALLY want to see the whole conversation,then Dan will have to fill the gaps with some of the emails he sent me,cause I deleted some of them.
I just wanted to let everybody know that i'm not exagerating at all about the situation,what would I have to gain by doing so?Cause as I said before I wouldn't buy the knife if he offered it to me now for half the price,and I REALLY mean that.
Although if you look at Dan GSR's situation,he has more reason to lie then I do.....
He made more money off of somebody,which I think was also bogus cause he doesn't even have possesion of the knife(it's his dealers),and doesn't want to look like a welcher.
I thought the whole "finders fee" was BS too,but I was willing to pay for it since he knew where to get it...I just wish he would of stuck to his word and let me get the week I asked for,to get the cash together.Which BTW I told him that if it looked like i wasn't going to be able to get the cash together within the week timespan,I would email him and tell him so.

Anyways i'm not going to drag this out,I just wanted to let our fellow BF members know about Dan GSR,which BTW I thought was a nice guy too,until he pulled this crap on me.
You can't always judge how nice a person is by how he posts.
Just cause a person seems nice in his posts doesn't mean he's a cool person,you just have to go by the experiances of other with that person...so thank god,and BF,for the "The Good,the Bad,the ugly" forum,otherwise we'd never know who was cool and who isn't....peace
-Stagger lee
 
We've got so many people on Bladeforums, that sooner or later we'll find a few whose idea of ethics don't match what we'd like to see. Thinking back on all the knives and gear I've bought here, I only dealt with the good guys. I haven't had a problem yet.

I do not understand why anyone feels that a few bucks justifies cheating a friend. And if you're not here for the love of knives and the friendship of the rest of us knifeknuts, then thanks for letting me know -- I don't want to know you.

Misunderstandings? Sure, happens all the time. People get mad, people apologize, we all move on. But if this is a business with you, just be sure the name of your business isn't ... prostitution.
 
Well I'm normally just a lurker here, I'm a certified knife nut, I've started making a few blades for myself and one day will probably even start making a few deals, I've watched this forum for quite some time, I really commend The Honorable folks! In this day and age its truly a DELIGHT to find people that still have ethics and honor! This really is one of the few places you can find that on the internet. I personally feel my honor is worth more then a few bucks! I won't take sides on the original post because the FACTS haven't been FULLY represented.

To anyone that feels that a Mans word or a verbal agreement isn't worth a thing i feel that this forum probably is NOT an apropriate home for them. As for these notions being antiquated, possibly they are! Honor, Integrity, Honesty, yes they are very old terms! You can bet your last dollar that i would not hesitate to do business with someone who stands behind there word, no matter if that word is spoken, written or conveyed via an electronic forum!

Somethings are simply more valueable then the ALL-MIGHTY-DOLLAR!
Honor, Integrity, Honesty, Enjoyment, Friendship, Knives, What an Exquisite group of words!


Sharps
 
Beautifully said dino and Esav. Thank you. I know I feel better thinking I am putting a $450 knife in the mail only to see the trade item or money sent to me also in good faith. It's good to know there are still good people in the world. For the record, all I have to go on is my word. And it does mean something to me, my family, my wife, my co-workers, and anyone else who knows me. You guys are alright.
Sincerely, Leo Gilbert
 
I see you are fairly new around here (Im just about a yearling myself), but during my time here Ive done trades solely upon honor with absolutely NO... read: BIG FAT NO...reason to trust one another other than the fact we are both here. Piet (sorry, cant remember his screen name...bagheera maybe?), insists you recieve your item before you even go get the funds. Your lack of integrity sorely sickens all those that can follow through with your "1800's" values. Fact of life? So are many other things but the fact of life is, that here others do not even thinkin the same gnarled world you do. Totally not a cool thing to say. As to the deal, who knows I wasnt part of it. BUTT your take on it is definately not the one I have come to expect of people here. I am another you can count on never doing a deal with. NW

PS: You even know its not the way things work here "before I get toasted". Are you here to fraud others as a "fact of life"?
 
Just because I quoted you a price you feel obligated to the knife?
WTF.

We live in a country of capitalism, lets not forget that.
Why is it wrong to sell a knife over retail. If someone is willing to pay for it then that means its worth it.

I didn't say that I'd hold the knife for him. I didn't say that I wouldn't entertain other offers.
 
You guys might have a look at the meta thread I started today, in which (among other things) I mentioned we're not seeing enough (claimed) facts in these threads.... Meta: I thought we had a deal?

About all I see in this one so far that looks like a really clear fact is:

Originally posted by Stagger Lee
... you KNEW I wanted that knife ...
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That seems clear, Stagger Lee -- you wanted that knife, and he knew you wanted it. That's not enough facts, though. You don't have to post all those emails, just tell us in clear factual language: did the two of you agree on a deal? Or were you almost at the point of agreeing and there were only trivial details left to work out, or what? If you thought you had a deal, or almost had a deal, or were involved in a serious negotiation aimed at making a deal, or whatever you thought, did he think so too?
 
Originally posted by Stagger Lee
...Well he had told me all he wanted was a $10 finders fee,and I had no problem with giving him that...
-Stagger Lee
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I didn't have to read any further. :rolleyes:

I think this cost you a lot more than $10.
 
I just want to add a little comment here. For those of you out there who think that your word means nothing, think again. I'm nearing 2.5 years as a member here and although I don't post at lot I've dealt with a lot of people from these forums. Those who are gentlemen are treated as such. Before I make a deal with anyone I check to see what others think of them. If there is more than one case of a disgruntled person I don't even make an offer. Those of you who bring your ethics into question are avoided as well. This isn't a great place to have your name come up with any sort of complaint attached.

-Jeff

PS And to the gentlemen of this forum I tip my hat, we are the last of a dying breed.
 
Sorry guys, I had to post another reply. This nonsense is making my blood boil.

Let's not blame this on the invisible hand by claiming that since everyone is doing it its okay for us to as well. Society acting solely out of self-interest simply won't run smoothly. Consider this: If we did live in a society based only on self-interest, this would include law enforcement officers, there would be no coercion. As a result, we would live in a corrupt environment where everyone would have to use bribery or theft to obtain what they want or need. We have laws to protect this from happening, and yes, a man's word really does reveal his integrity, honesty, and morale. The same morals we have at home should be brought to or integrated with our job, this is called business ethics. Would you agree that child prostitution or deliberately polluting our environment by dumping harmful wastes into a community river is acceptable, simply because you or your company would profit? Of course not, everyone shares the responsibilities involved with stabilizing our economy. Our actions should benefit both parties and consider everyone being affected. It's good to know that most of us at the forum, do indeed, have a conscience.

Dan GSR, I apologize for the negative feedback that you have been receiving. It’s definitely not desirable to experience this type of attention. I’m sure that in the end this conflict will be resolved. Admitting our faults and apologizing for them is all it takes sometimes. I don’t recommend that you change your name to hide your identity. You are welcome at this forum, and I urge you to continue participating.
 
My opinion is that if two people come to a aggrement with one another it should not matter if it is verbal or written. They should both do everything they can to fullfill there part of the deal. The fact that one party said there wiil be a finders fee and the other party agreed says to me that there may have been a deal struck. So the fact that the knife was sold to someone else for more money also says to me that the the first party may have broken the deal if one was made. if this is the case then the first party's word is not worth much.And anyone who deals with this party in the future does so at there own risk and should be very carefull abought trusting them.


i have edited this post to try to be more polite on this subject.



Lee Brooks
Knifemaker
BROOKSKNIVES.canada


brooksknives@hotmail.com
 
I think Cougar has this whole thing pegged pretty darn well. There has not been enough information given to be able to decide if anything wrong was done here. All I have seen is that Stagger Lee let Dan GSR know that he wanted the knife and was willing to pat the $10.00 finders fee asked for. Stagger Lee, were you told that he would hold the knife for you until you got the money together? If not, what did Dan GSR say to you that lead you to believe that the two of you had a deal. This is the information that is needed by the rest of us to be able to come to some kind of conclusion. All I get from what I have read so far is that you wanted the knife, Dan knew you wanted the knife and Dan sold the knife to someone else, which pissed you off.

Lee/brooksknives, in my opinion the fact that it was agreed that a $10.00 finders fee would be paid does not mean that there was a deal. It is quite possible to agree to a finders fee and never agree on a deal to buy the knife. If I was to say to you that I wanted $10.00 to get a knife for you, and you said that if you bought the knife you would agree to pay the $10.00, that only means that you agreed to pay the $10.00 finders fee, not to buy the knife. The only way it was a deal was if Dan said he would hold the knife for the agreed upon period of time and would sell it to no one else until that time had passed.
 
Keith/KWM this is a good point that you make perhapes i was wrong to say what i did the fact that we donot have enough info can make one think bad things abought a person. If there was a deal for certain then it should not have been broken but we do not know if there was a deal as we cannot go on word of mouth with out proof. So if there is proof to be showen then one party or the other should show it. And if it proves there was a deal then my words stand and if it does not show proof of a deal then i will apologise for what i said. I just wish more people in this world would honour there word but this is just my opinion.

Lee Brooks
knifemaker
BROOKSKNIVES.canada


brooksknives@hotmail.com
 
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