Traditional Knife and Gun Picture Thread

Spring turkey hunting about 8 years ago, Winchester M1300 Waterfowl special with an additional turkey barrel and tight choke, a gift from my Dad. That gobbler was a swamp bird and didn't want to leave his swamp; I had to go down in his world to take him - could not call him out to the field even though I tried on two different days! The Buck 110 Folding Hunter is the same Three-Dot in a picture up above. OH
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black mamba said:
Range day today, shooting some .45 Colt.

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Is that a 4 5/8" or 5 1/2"? If the shorter, I bought that exact same revolver about ... um... a decade ago? It was just before the New Vaquero came out. It no longer looks that way, though.
First, the case coloring developed rust. So, I sent it back to Ruger and had the entire main frame blued. Then, I got into shooting heavy loads, and couldn't stand the Bisley grip. So, I switched it out for a stainless steel RED grip frame. Fitted it to it pretty good (not perfect, but at a glance, it's OK). And of course had to switch the hammer for that to work. Now it has a Super Blackhawk hammer. Sent the cylinder off to get the chamber throats all trued up to... I'm pretty sure .451. Not 100% positive on the actual measurement that they were trued to. But it shoots like a dream. Even heavy Buffalo Bore Ruger only loads.
 
rddp said:
Here's a Pietta Navy .36 cal. I've had for years. I've target shot with it enough to know how difficult it is to get an accurate shot especially at any distance, compare to contemporary equipment. Fun as hell though, but slow to reload. The fit and finish is excellent. Nearly as good as the Texas Camp Knife I still have pinch myself that was fortunate enough to acquire.View attachment 2639146
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Sure that's not an Army instead of a Navy? A;; the 1851 Navies I've seen have had an octagon barrel not a round one. Could be wrong though. I do have a Navy with an octagon bbl in.36. Use to carry it CCW believe it or not. The secret to reloading is multiple cylinders. nice gun either way!
 
Horsewright said:
Sure that's not an Army instead of a Navy? A;; the 1851 Navies I've seen have had an octagon barrel not a round one.
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Correct. The 1851 Colt Navy have Octagon barrels.
The 1861 Colt Navy has a round barrel, like the 1860 Colt Army.

Back in the (19)80's I had one of each. (reproductions)
The solid frame 1858 Remington New Army in .44 caliber and .32 cal. Pocket Revolver are my preference. I've never had the Remington .36 Caliber Navy version.
More accurate. rear "sight" on the open tops is a groove in the hammer nose. It can be (and usually is) in a slightly different position every time the revolver is cocked.
 
Here's the Pietta replica Colt 1851 Navy .36 cal. I've never shot black powder, to be honest, it's a little intimidating to me. I've read up a little on loading and have most of the necessary items. Someday I will get around to it.

If anyone has any advice they wouldn't mind sharing, please do. I know this is a knife forum, so dm or point me to another forum if possible. Thanks!

 
draggat said:
Here's the Pietta replica Colt 1851 Navy .36 cal. I've never shot black powder, to be honest, it's a little intimidating to me. I've read up a little on loading and have most of the necessary items. Someday I will get around to it.

If anyone has any advice they wouldn't mind sharing, please do. I know this is a knife forum, so dm or point me to another forum if possible. Thanks!

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You’re right to be intimidated, once you start you won’t ever stop!

I don’t really care about shooting, never do any target or plinking with smokeless. But BP is so much fun I could do it all day.
 
Horsewright said:
Sure that's not an Army instead of a Navy? A;; the 1851 Navies I've seen have had an octagon barrel not a round one. Could be wrong though. I do have a Navy with an octagon bbl in.36. Use to carry it CCW believe it or not. The secret to reloading is multiple cylinders. nice gun either way!
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You are correct. The gun pictured is an Army 1860 Colt replica. It's also a little bit off in that the original was chambered for .44 cal and mine is .36 cal. Here's a good video comparing the two and their differences. Does yours shoot high ? Mine certainly does and this video mentions that this is often the case with these pistols.
 
rddp said:
You are correct. The gun pictured is an Army 1860 Colt replica. It's also a little bit off in that the original was chambered for .44 cal and mine is .36 cal. Here's a good video comparing the two and their differences. Does yours shoot high ? Mine certainly does and this video mentions that this is often the case with these pistols.
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There was also a 1861 Navy in 36 calibure, with the updated styling of the 1860 Army. 😇👍
I believe it was in production for a few years after Colt introduced their 1873 cartridge revolver ... as was the 1860 Army.
Some folks "out west" found it easier to buy caps, balls, and loose powder than them new fangled cartridges, until 1879/1880.
More proof: Not all cap and ball revolvers in use were converted to use cartridges in the years immediately following the (un)Civil War.
 
afishhunter said:
There was also a 1861 Navy in 36 calibure, with the updated styling of the 1860 Army. 😇👍
I believe it was in production for a few years after Colt introduced their 1873 cartridge revolver ... as was the 1860 Army.
Some folks "out west" found it easier to buy caps, balls, and loose powder than them new fangled cartridges, until 1879/1880.
More proof: Not all cap and ball revolvers in use were converted to use cartridges in the years immediately following the (un)Civil War.
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This is correct. The 1861 Navy had a round barrel like the Army. Though the barrel styling changed, the grip frame geometry and size stayed the same, and it remained in .36 caliber like the 1851. Like the earlier model there was a naval scene engraved on the cylinder. Far fewer of the 1861 models were made than the 1851s. I've always understood that the grip size and geometry of the 1873 Single Action Army was much closer to the Navy than to the Army caplock revolvers. I've owned examples of both 1851 Navys and SAAs and they are very close in size and shape. I never had a Colt Army caplock next to a SAA.
 
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draggat said:
Here's the Pietta replica Colt 1851 Navy .36 cal. I've never shot black powder, to be honest, it's a little intimidating to me. I've read up a little on loading and have most of the necessary items. Someday I will get around to it.

If anyone has any advice they wouldn't mind sharing, please do. I know this is a knife forum, so dm or point me to another forum if possible. Thanks!

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National Rifle Associations How to Series Muzzleloading book is a very informative guide to black powder. You need 3Fg powder, lubricant, primers, felt patches, plus balls. Track of the Wolf is a good place to order online. I love shooting my Uberti 1860 Army ........ very accurate too. I have more fun shooting black powder than modern ammunition. Also you need a powder measure ...... about 20 or 25 grains of 3Fg in that .36 caliber would be a good place to start. Most people start out with loading to much powder, which makes it intimidating and not necessary at all. ;) 😊
 
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Hatchet_Jack said:
I’m in the too much powder group.

100gn 2F in my 54 GRRW leman trade
120gn in my 50 Pedersoli hawken
90gn in my 62 fusil de chasse

But geez does it shoot straight and true!
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They will shoot straight and true with much less, but, what you listed would work well for hunting ......... 120 gn 2F is too much I believe. 🙀 😊
What I listed for the .36 is good for starting out ...... target practice.
 
Primble said:
120 gn 2F is too much I believe.
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That was my buffalo load, did the job.

Historically speaking, mountainmen were documented using up to 200gn when reaching out on longer shots 😬

I go by the “use as little as possible but as much as necessary” mantra.
Mind you I don’t target shoot and where I live hunting shots can stretch out there. I don’t want to have to aim over a stags back at 130yds to arc it into the vitals. To each his own I say 👍🏼
 
Primble said:
They will shoot straight and true with much less, but, what you listed would work well for hunting ......... 120 gn 2F is too much I believe. 🙀 😊
What I listed for the .36 is good for starting out ...... target practice.
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The manual for my TC big bore (.54 calibure) Hawken gives a recommended charge of 120 grains 2F regardless if shooting patched ball or greased bullets weighing consideraby more.

The old standard before self contained cartridges and smokeless powder was:
MINIMUM:
One grain per calibure, rounded to nearest "0" or "5". EG: The service charge for the .577 and .58 cal. (un)Civil War rifles and muskets was 60 grains.
MAXIMUM:
Two point Five grains per calibure, using the appropriate powder for the arm; "Small Bore" (.30 to .49 cal.) FFFg. "Large"/"Big" Bore" (.50 cal. and above.) FFg.
"Upping" to the next coarser powder (FFFg to FFg, or FFg to Fg and Fg to 1/2 Fg) can be safely loaded up to Three point Two Five (3.25) grains per caliber without excessive barrel pressure.

My .45 CVA (percussion) Kentucky Rifles shot best with 120 grains Fg powder. (issued by the CW Artilary group I was a member of after the chap that owned the canon quit. Even tho we were dismounted, the events still gave us the artilary powder quota of 7 to 8 pounds. (Infantry and cavalry received 1 pound.) Canon uses a lot more powder than infantry.) under a patched .440 round ball.
No signs of excessive pressure; hammer was not blown back to half or full cock, nor was the cap blown off.
There were a .45-90, 45-120, and .45-140 black powder cartridges, in addition to the better known .45-70.
I found 120 grains the most accurate when working up loads and sighting those two rifles in.
 
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