Tri Ad Lock Failure

hes not an idiot, that is an extremely rude thing to say about such a good guy. he taped the blade, wore gloves, and warned everyone that it was gross misuse. he just wanted to see how the lock held up, just as we all do, but he DID IT all for us on video, and even posted it after he cut himself. he didnt even claim that the lock failed, he claimed that he disengaged it. now if in the future if someone is going to do this type of test, we know to wear that we must wear cut proof gloves underneath the leather, and not to hold it anywhere near the disengaging relief. to be so critical of him is a childish thing to do.

as for the triad lock and andrew demko, hes making great knives with and without cold steel, and the triad lock is no small accomplishment. however, the triad lock is just a slightly modified lockback design, a design that deserves to be improved upon because of its age. there has been SO much ORGASMING lately about this fine design, that it is certainly turning me off. people are just infatuated, and when there is that much hype generated i lose confidence in this communities ability to get past it and rationally criticize designs. heres my criticism of the triad lock: its a fancy lockback, whoopdie doo. since when has spydercos oldschool lockbacks been considered anything but amazingly strong? i dont even LIKE lockbacks, regardless of any added strength you get vs my prefered liner locks. heres my criticism on the ril (specifically the standard old sebenza): it tends to make the knife handle heavy, and heavier in general, and its not as comfortable because of the all metal construction and the lock bar bending in. give me a terzuola linerlock any day. heres my criticism of the linerlock: its weaker and easier to disengage than most locks. you can and should criticize all designs you come across, even if you love them.

/end rant
 
hes not an idiot, that is an extremely rude thing to say about such a good guy.

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you can and should criticize all designs you come across, even if you love them.

/end rant

Nicely said. These discussions can get to be too much fun, and thoughtfulness is lost.
 
hes not an idiot, that is an extremely rude thing to say about such a good guy. he taped the blade, wore gloves, and warned everyone that it was gross misuse. he just wanted to see how the lock held up, just as we all do, but he DID IT all for us on video, and even posted it after he cut himself. he didnt even claim that the lock failed, he claimed that he disengaged it. now if in the future if someone is going to do this type of test, we know to wear that we must wear cut proof gloves underneath the leather, and not to hold it anywhere near the disengaging relief. to be so critical of him is a childish thing to do.

as for the triad lock and andrew demko, hes making great knives with and without cold steel, and the triad lock is no small accomplishment. however, the triad lock is just a slightly modified lockback design, a design that deserves to be improved upon because of its age. there has been SO much ORGASMING lately about this fine design, that it is certainly turning me off. people are just infatuated, and when there is that much hype generated i lose confidence in this communities ability to get past it and rationally criticize designs. heres my criticism of the triad lock: its a fancy lockback, whoopdie doo. since when has spydercos oldschool lockbacks been considered anything but amazingly strong? i dont even LIKE lockbacks, regardless of any added strength you get vs my prefered liner locks. heres my criticism on the ril (specifically the standard old sebenza): it tends to make the knife handle heavy, and heavier in general, and its not as comfortable because of the all metal construction and the lock bar bending in. give me a terzuola linerlock any day. heres my criticism of the linerlock: its weaker and easier to disengage than most locks. you can and should criticize all designs you come across, even if you love them.

/end rant

I will respond, in the spirit of thoughtful discussion.

First, spine whacks without dulling the edge are idiotic, simply put. It takes ten seconds to dull it with a file, and instead, he risked the use of his hand. He got lucky with that cut, he damn near severed a tendon. He also should have taken into consideration hand placement. Putting your finger on the lock disengagement and applying force is, again, idiotic. Second, I have never heard an informative review from him. He does deserve some respect for posting the video, I'll give him that.

The Triad lock...where do I begin. I'll preface this by saying I'm not a huge fan of Cold Steel. I own one (1) of their knives and don't intend to purchase many more.

Don't bitch and moan without doing your homework. It is hardly a lockback, as the lock never makes contact with the blade. It makes contact with a stop pin, which transfers all oppsing force to the frame, leaving the lock under minimal pressure. It is a brilliant step forward in lock design, and deserves to be recognized as so.

Cheers.
 
It is hardly a lockback, as the lock never makes contact with the blade.
yes it does
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i know how the triad lock works, how could i not, it is posted in so many threads on this forum. i agree it is a fine design and a deserved improvement to the super old lockback design, but all he did was put the stop pin in between the tang and the lockbar, and added some wear resistant features like the improved stop pin (which others have already done) and the modified tolerances to help prevent lockup degradation over time. the compression lock is just as strong, putting all of its force on a little chunk of steel that isnt going anywhere, and it is much smoother. a proper ril is also just as strong, by definition. the extrema ratio pinned lockback design is also just as strong. all props to andrew demko, but it is not as big of a deal as the immense hype lately suggests.
 
also i will add, the triad lock will still develop up and down play much quicker than a linerlock/ril/compressionlock of the same quality.
 
My apologies, but I will only say the following.
The desire to make videos that review and test knives is great. There are many perspectives out there that should be shared with the masses. However with this in mind, precautions need to be taken and exceeded in this kind of scenario as evidenced by the video. If 2 strips of tape is good, 10 would be better.

However, I do not and cannot condone or applaud the end result of the video. It was carelessness and he regrettably paid the price. Especially when this is not the first time that this has occurred. The 2nd video displays a much more serious laceration that could indeed created a whole host of complications. To me, it does not scream insightful preparation or proper planning. It does scream take the sharp objects away from this person. ;)
 
a proper ril is also just as strong, by definition.
I haven't seen anyone actually provide anything that suggests it. Both Sal Glesser and STR have posted that framelocks and linerlocks cannot reach the same strength levels.

also i will add, the triad lock will still develop up and down play much quicker than a linerlock/ril/compressionlock of the same quality.
how?
 
the compression lock is just as strong, putting all of its force on a little chunk of steel that isnt going anywhere, and it is much smoother. a proper ril is also just as strong, by definition. the extrema ratio pinned lockback design is also just as strong.

Your wrong, you shall see ;)
 
I haven't seen anyone actually provide anything that suggests it. Both Sal Glesser and STR have posted that framelocks and linerlocks cannot reach the same strength levels.


how?

1. "by definition" i meant that because your hand is holding the lockbar in place. that is what i always interpreted as the point of an ril

2. because there is much less room to adjust, an early lockup on a linerlock/ril guarantees a long time to adjust.

i could be wrong about anything ive said, but im just posting what comes to me by common sense
 
The problem is that holding the handle does not prevent the lock from buckling at the cutout. It may help reliability, the lock not slipping, but it doesn't do anything for strength, the lock not breaking. Well, that really isn't a problem for 99.9% of people.

I don't know about the wear, the way they engage is different, and lockbacks with no features to compensate for wear last a while.
 
You know, though I dislike Extrema Ratio and Dark Ops, they had a good idea.

What about incorporating a secondary lock to prevent accidental disclosure of the lock? Not just a Boye dent.

:thumbup:

This is the next best thing since the Boye Dent.
 
What about learning to use your tools properly? Until recent times, people used friction folders or slipjoints. For thousands of years. They used them as much as we use pens.

Pay attention. Don't use tools for what other tools are more appropriate. "Remember, you are mortal."
 
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