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Triad lock failure ! Ouch!!
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With the steel upgrade, the good f and f, and the strength of the knives for the price, Cold Steel knives have become intestine to me. Price is relevant.
"Become intestine to me"...is this some weird newfangled slang?
Yo, you see that Ferrari? That's straight up intestine, dog."
I see the edit while I was posting...too bad, thought I was learning something new.
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While I never said that, it certainly makes the Code 4 an objectively safer knife to use than a Sebenza.
Yeah i won't argue with that.
Not a Sebenza fan myself, but i still think it's a better knife than what cold steel offers.
Just my personal opinion
Along with being a stupid thing to do. The person that made this video must have missed the part in the CS videos where they overwrite the screen with something like... "these blades have been intentionally dulled". I also have to wonder if he may have "dicked" with the retention spring as that is typically the only complaint with most of the Tri Ad locks that the release mechanism is too tough for the users to release intentionally, say nothing about unintentionally. I further wonder if CS reached out to this video maker to do a forensic investigation of the "failure" or their lawyers for a slander investigation on this one?
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Yeah i won't argue with that.
Not a Sebenza fan myself, but i still think it's a better knife than what cold steel offers.
Just my personal opinion
And you're entitled to it, though I certainly won't be buying one after seeing that test. For that price, a locking folder should have a properly designed lock.
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25 years of use would suggest it's a properly designed lock. Is it as strong as the Triad? No way. Is it a good working lock for real world use? Sure is. I said in the CRK forum a CRK knife was my EDC for about 7 years without any issues. I'm a Front Line guy who has used one on duty and off during those 7 years(just making the point before someone says it was nothing more than pocket jewellery, because they were used for whatever I had to use a knife for).
That's all the "proof" I need.
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You have your experience, but I saw what I saw, and I saw a Sebenza's lock not just slip (which would at least still leave the user with a properly functioning knife) but become inoperable after a mere 30 pounds of weight was applied.25 years of use would suggest it's a properly designed lock. Is it as strong as the Triad? No way. Is it a good working lock for real world use? Sure is. I said in the CRK forum a CRK knife was my EDC for about 7 years without any issues. I'm a Front Line guy who has used one on duty and off during those 7 years(just making the point before someone says it was nothing more than pocket jewellery, because they were used for whatever I had to use a knife for).
That's all the "proof" I need.
For a $400+ knife, that's a joke, and as a knife enthusiast I consider such poor design on such an expensive knife offensive. I feel as though CRK is duping their customers and that all the hype is nothing more than hot air.
Now I'm concerned that my Ti Military's lock isn't as strong as I thought (not that I expect it to fail in EDC use, but the Military was designed for more, supposedly) and I'm considering selling it...or maybe trading it for a Swift.
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That's just it, though, isn't it? You "saw" something that has convinced you while I "know" what I know from years of experience to convince me. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see CS build a knife that I'd want to carry for years, but they don't offer anything that really appeals to me(yet). You don't know me, so I don't expect you to take my experiences as gospel, but if you're gonna imply the $400 knife is "no good", you'll see me post my experiences(again getting back to real life experiences) to counter your point. I've pried windows open, created purchase points for larger tools by prying boards up in floors, cut all sorts of stuff and used my CRKs for whatever came my way without issue, but, hey, no videos, so it doesn't count I guess.
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My remaining concern on these locks (looks good otherwise) is failure or sticking of the spring that engages the lock. There seems to be a lot of this sort of complaint out there in Tri-Ad land. How common is this sort of thing? Has QA improved at all? Follow link.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_2O-hDUvSBY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_2O-hDUvSBY
He is butthurt about the Code4 vs Sebenza test. I personally did not see the point of that test myself. The Code4 is marketed as a hard use knife, whereas the Sebenza is not.
Infact, in my research of the Sebenza, I have found out that the sure fire way to spot a used Sebenza over a new one, is that the used one looks in better shape than the new one.
Every Sebenza I have seen on the secondary market, looks like it has been hermetically sealed in Argon prior to hitting the market.
Besides, even Mr. Reeve himself knows that they are only to be used gingerly, as he says not to flick then open.
They are elegant, gorgeous knives.
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Sorry buddy, you are showing your ignorance. There's a lot of CRKs hard used, and I am not 'but hurt' at all. I don't swear allegiance to any business, and this test has raised my awareness of Cold Steel. Just trying to see if I should add a CS to my collection of hard-used knives, that includes a few Sebenzas. Hoping to separate fact from hype is all.
Anyways.....get out more man! It's a big world.
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A hard used Sebenza is more rare than a Unicorn. Even Mr Reeve himself complains about Sebenza owners who do nothing with their knives but sit on the couch, flicking then open and shut, whilst watching football. Must be an epidemic, if he is going to go as far as vocalize against it. Don't see many other complaints about that from other production knife makers. Hell, I saw someone shoot a recon1 2 times on the interwebs (the knife survived the 1st shot. Still don't see Lynn Thompson complaining about people shooting his folders, ANYWHERE. So the flicking Achilles heel of the Sebenza is obviously known by CRK, and lots of warranty claims from damage of flicking open the knives must be hitting CRK. Let's call a duck, a "duck"...ok?Sorry buddy, you are showing your ignorance. There's a lot of CRKs hard used, and I am not 'but hurt' at all. I don't swear allegiance to any business, and this test has raised my awareness of Cold Steel. Just trying to see if I should add a CS to my collection of hard-used knives, that includes a few Sebenzas. Hoping to separate fact from hype is all.
Anyways.....get out more man! It's a big world.
Either you have hurt feelings over the test, are trolling, or are being offered some sort of consideration to be put up to this. I've seen our tirades over in the CRK forum regarding the test.
"Sweat shop labor". ROLF.
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Nope,
Just after the truth, that is often hidden under the hype. I am interested in these Tri-Ad knives, and I have lots of CRK experience as well. I think sweatshop question is valid, and was not a troll, nor is this thread. Just learning stuff in the forums, as we all are.
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I stood up for you in the last thread you started, but it is obvious to me now that you were/are still trolling. :thumbdn:
I own both CRKs and CSKs and both have served me well. However, I admit that the way the 21 performed was embarrassing, not just compared to the triad lock, but every other knife they have tested. I would love if Mr. Reeve would make a video showing that the 21 could perform better than it did in that video, but it is not going to happen.
I don't even understand the high emotions due to that test. If the folding knives the makers put out were women, the CRKs would be Gisele Bündchen, and the Cold Steels would be Holly Holm. Both excellent in their own ways. But having them fight one another in the ring (the torture test shootout Cold Steel uses) is pointless, as we all know how it would turn out.
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This is the 2nd troll thread in as many days that has been started in the Cold Steel subforum by the same person who has been panicking and flailing all over the rest of Bladeforums ever since the Youtube video demonstrating the very poor lock security test results of the CRK Sebenza when compared with a Cold Steel Code 4 knife.
I say this as an owner of 2 CRK knives: the video test result of the Sebenza was very bad, devastating even, irrespective of the $425+ price tag of the Sebenza.
The OP doesn't like it that he saw that video. He doesn't like it that other people have seen it and will always see it. He doesn't like it that people know now. He is worried about the perceived value of something that he really cares about.
So he is lashing out.
I think it is fine that he has his upset feelings about this bad turn of events for the brand of pocket knife that he is emotionally attached to. But should we be subjected to these flimsy, passive aggressive taunting threads?
The context in which this thread was conceived does not paint a picture of a mature OP. In my opinion, he is a very poor ambassador for the brand he loves so deeply.
I think this thread should be closed due to the childish context in which it was created.
I say this as an owner of 2 CRK knives: the video test result of the Sebenza was very bad, devastating even, irrespective of the $425+ price tag of the Sebenza.
The OP doesn't like it that he saw that video. He doesn't like it that other people have seen it and will always see it. He doesn't like it that people know now. He is worried about the perceived value of something that he really cares about.
So he is lashing out.
I think it is fine that he has his upset feelings about this bad turn of events for the brand of pocket knife that he is emotionally attached to. But should we be subjected to these flimsy, passive aggressive taunting threads?
The context in which this thread was conceived does not paint a picture of a mature OP. In my opinion, he is a very poor ambassador for the brand he loves so deeply.
I think this thread should be closed due to the childish context in which it was created.
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As far as I can tell he's quite alright although the remoulade was a trifle tart the next night.
Not a bad battle scar there. I have had a few knives that had lock failures. One was a Linder Cobra frame lock. The frame lock failed to engage when the blade was deployed, and the blade sliced my thumb when I cut something with it. Good knife other than that, but now I don't trust it enough to carry it as an EDC. The frame jimping sticks out of the frame too much, and the lock can disengage when you grip the knife firmly to cut something. Linder makes some good stuff though, it is just not a well thought out design for the knife for any application that requires more than carving or opening a box.