Triad lock failure ! Ouch!!

[Zemapeli]

A hard used Sebenza is more rare than a Unicorn. Even Mr Reeve himself complains about Sebenza owners who do nothing with their knives but sit on the couch, flicking then open and shut, whilst watching football. Must be an epidemic, if he is going to go as far as vocalize against it. Don't see many other complaints about that from other production knife makers. Hell, I saw someone shoot a recon1 2 times on the interwebs (the knife survived the 1st shot. Still don't see Lynn Thompson complaining about people shooting his folders, ANYWHERE. So the flicking Achilles heel of the Sebenza is obviously known by CRK, and lots of warranty claims from damage of flicking open the knives must be hitting CRK. Let's call a duck, a "duck"...ok?

Either you have hurt feelings over the test, are trolling, or are being offered some sort of consideration to be put up to this. I've seen our tirades over in the CRK forum regarding the test.

"Sweat shop labor". ROLF.

Honesty a sabenza would be something that I would want to keep nice for a situation where I would NEED to have a very well made and designed knife such as a blade in a SD situation or survival. A sabenza is an expensive knife, and I would be hesitant to scratch it up unnecessarily on a task that could be done with a cheaper knife that could easily be replaced. sabenzas are a well designed and well executed knife design. They are made from very high quality materials. I guess it wouldn't make much sense not to use it if you had it. Battle scars only add character anyways.

 

[kidcongo]

This is the 2nd troll thread in as many days that has been started in the Cold Steel subforum by the same person who has been panicking and flailing all over the rest of Bladeforums ever since the Youtube video demonstrating the very poor lock security test results of the CRK Sebenza when compared with a Cold Steel Code 4 knife.

I say this as an owner of 2 CRK knives: the video test result of the Sebenza was very bad, devastating even, irrespective of the $425+ price tag of the Sebenza.

The OP doesn't like it that he saw that video. He doesn't like it that other people have seen it and will always see it. He doesn't like it that people know now. He is worried about the perceived value of something that he really cares about.

So he is lashing out.

I think it is fine that he has his upset feelings about this bad turn of events for the brand of pocket knife that he is emotionally attached to. But should we be subjected to these flimsy, passive aggressive taunting threads?

The context in which this thread was conceived does not paint a picture of a mature OP. In my opinion, he is a very poor ambassador for the brand he loves so deeply.

I think this thread should be closed due to the childish context in which it was created.

Uhhh, nope.

Not lashing out, not but-hurt, and not trolling. Perhaps that is all in your muddled mind.

What I am is trying to do is ask some legitimate questions about these Cold Steel Tri-Ad knives. There seems to be some uncertainty around the lock strength, and the question of their off-shore production seems to be a "no go zone" on this sub forum. If they are the best knives, I want one, but don't want to waste my cash on a hype-knife, made in a sweatshop, with poor fit and finish. Otherwise they are looking really good. If you want to keep taking shots at me fine, but I'm just trying to get the facts straight on these CS knives, their quality, the ethics of the company and it's offshore factories, and whether the hype about the tri-ad is true.

If I am not allowed to ask those questions, please let me know.

 

[Kyle K]

kcong:

You said this in your post on the CRK forum in response to the Sebenza/Code 4 test:

"Coldsteel has lost any future business I might have sent their way, but I tend not to gravitate towards junk made in sweatshops anyways."

You also called Andrew Demko a douchebag. Any shots directed at you seem well deserved.

 

[kidcongo]

kcong:

You said this in your post on the CRK forum in response to the Sebenza/Code 4 test:

"Coldsteel has lost any future business I might have sent their way, but I tend not to gravitate towards junk made in sweatshops anyways."

You also called Andrew Demko a douchebag. Any shots directed at you seem well deserved.

The testing is silly, so let me be a bit silly too. The whole spine whack idea is pretty douchy, so it's OK to call it that. Forgive me the offhanded comment.

The rest I stand behind. I don't want junk made in sweatshops. I am sincerely interested in Cold Steel. I realized my main concern was the overseas production, which I tried to ask about, but was shut down. Spyderco has had no problem explaining about the conditions of their overseas production, and I was just hoping to get the same back from CS, so I could feel good about giving them some cash. The more I looked into things, the more stories I found about failed locks and poor initial quality, broken blades, etc. I was hoping I could be reassured on these points, but so far, not really.

So my questions repeated!!

Is the lock strength legit?
Is the quality there?
Does the company treat it's sub-contract manufacturers fairly?

All good questions that seem to be avoided in more shots at me.

 

[DShiflet]

The more I looked into things, the more stories I found about failed locks and poor initial quality, broken blades, etc. I was hoping I could be reassured on these points, but so far, not really.

Okay, where are you finding this? I can't find ANYTHING on triad lock failure(disengaging the lock is not a failure, it's user error), the one thing I found on broken blades was Nutnfancy breaking a Chaos knife by banging it against a rock, and the only issues about quality I've seen are that their steel wasn't a higher end steel, and even THAT complaint has ceased since they shifted to using XHP. Where are all these mystery stories you're finding?

 

[shinyedges]

With every post you get more exposed for what you are, a butt hurt troll.

I suggest you close this thread as it won't end well once the mods catch you trolling.

Deny your butt hurt with all the "nope" and "uhh" you like EVERYONE sees right through you. Denial makes you seem even more foolish.

The testing is silly, so let me be a bit silly too. The whole spine whack idea is pretty douchy, so it's OK to call it that. Forgive me the offhanded comment.

The rest I stand behind. I don't want junk made in sweatshops. I am sincerely interested in Cold Steel. I realized my main concern was the overseas production, which I tried to ask about, but was shut down. Spyderco has had no problem explaining about the conditions of their overseas production, and I was just hoping to get the same back from CS, so I could feel good about giving them some cash. The more I looked into things, the more stories I found about failed locks and poor initial quality, broken blades, etc. I was hoping I could be reassured on these points, but so far, not really.

So my questions repeated!!

Is the lock strength legit?
Is the quality there?
Does the company treat it's sub-contract manufacturers fairly?

All good questions that seem to be avoided in more shots at me.

 

[shinyedges]

Exactly what he is doing. See kidcongo who are you fooling with your lies that your genuinely interested in cold steel? Then you post the exact opposite in the crk forum?

Yea OK liar and a troll.

This is the 2nd troll thread in as many days that has been started in the Cold Steel subforum by the same person who has been panicking and flailing all over the rest of Bladeforums ever since the Youtube video demonstrating the very poor lock security test results of the CRK Sebenza when compared with a Cold Steel Code 4 knife.

I say this as an owner of 2 CRK knives: the video test result of the Sebenza was very bad, devastating even, irrespective of the $425+ price tag of the Sebenza.

The OP doesn't like it that he saw that video. He doesn't like it that other people have seen it and will always see it. He doesn't like it that people know now. He is worried about the perceived value of something that he really cares about.

So he is lashing out.

I think it is fine that he has his upset feelings about this bad turn of events for the brand of pocket knife that he is emotionally attached to. But should we be subjected to these flimsy, passive aggressive taunting threads?

The context in which this thread was conceived does not paint a picture of a mature OP. In my opinion, he is a very poor ambassador for the brand he loves so deeply.

I think this thread should be closed due to the childish context in which it was created.

 

[kidcongo]

Why am I not allowed to be interested in these knives? Why can no one answer my questions? Is this some sort of cult? Strange group over here. Also ....can't a fella change his mind? I've now become aware of a great line of knives I was missing out on, and all I get is grief. I was too quick to judge cold steel, but my questions remain (unanswered I guess).

What is the quality like?
Is the hype for real about the locks?
Are the overseas operations ethical....does anyone know or care?

Seems simple. But likely just more pot-shots.

 

[Mitchell Knives]

ANY lock can and will fail under the right circumstances.

 

[kidcongo]

Okay, where are you finding this? I can't find ANYTHING on triad lock failure(disengaging the lock is not a failure, it's user error), the one thing I found on broken blades was Nutnfancy breaking a Chaos knife by banging it against a rock, and the only issues about quality I've seen are that their steel wasn't a higher end steel, and even THAT complaint has ceased since they shifted to using XHP. Where are all these mystery stories you're finding?

Firstly, I am not trying to troll or incite any kind of bad blood. I am sincerely trying to answer DShiflet's question. A lot of the reading I did about Tri-Ad and quality, and broken blades etc was on forums. You can search those out easy enough yourself. I've already posted a couple links concerning the lock function in this thread, so no point repeating those.

If you are wondering about broken blades, you can check these out, just don't flame me for having shared them, or call me a troll after you asked where I was getting some info. I'm actually trying to convince myself to try one of their knives out, I just have a few reservations (already expressed). Youtube is no authority, but you can see how I might be left wondering.

Another Tri-Ad failure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a0uFwzNdKk

Broken blade #1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbeWMHMAOps

Broken blade #2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmO0XSWhV04

Broken blade #3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmxlpn19ScI

Broken blade #4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2llLIJjmCo

Broken blade #5:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epe-YnL3CvI

 

[338375]

kcong:

You said this in your post on the CRK forum in response to the Sebenza/Code 4 test:

"Coldsteel has lost any future business I might have sent their way, but I tend not to gravitate towards junk made in sweatshops anyways."

You also called Andrew Demko a douchebag. Any shots directed at you seem well deserved.

The testing is silly, so let me be a bit silly too. The whole spine whack idea is pretty douchy, so it's OK to call it that. Forgive me the offhanded comment.

The rest I stand behind. I don't want junk made in sweatshops. I am sincerely interested in Cold Steel. I realized my main concern was the overseas production, which I tried to ask about, but was shut down. Spyderco has had no problem explaining about the conditions of their overseas production, and I was just hoping to get the same back from CS, so I could feel good about giving them some cash. The more I looked into things, the more stories I found about failed locks and poor initial quality, broken blades, etc. I was hoping I could be reassured on these points, but so far, not really.

So my questions repeated!!

Is the lock strength legit?
Is the quality there?
Does the company treat it's sub-contract manufacturers fairly?

All good questions that seem to be avoided in more shots at me.

Why did you suddenly become so interested in CS, after you willingly shared your true feelings with everyone, in the "test" thread ?
You said Andrew Demko is a Douche bag, but after reading this post, it would appear you were looking in the mirror when you made that statement...

If you truly want to find out if they are any good, why don't you just buy one and see for yourself. They aren't expensive...

 

[338375]

Double tap

 

[kidcongo]

Why did you suddenly become so interested in CS, after you willingly shared your true feelings with everyone, in the "test" thread ?
You said Andrew Demko is a Douche bag, but after reading this post, it would appear you were looking in the mirror when you made that statement...

If you truly want to find out if they are any good, why don't you just buy one and see for yourself. They aren't expensive...

Hey, we all have our moments. Nobody's perfect.

Anyways....I became interested after researching the Tri-Ad lock subsequent to watching the mentioned test video. What would be a good model to start with for EDC? What't the best 1st purchase? Is the Code 4 the one to get?

 

[jazub]

OP, buy a Cold Steel CTX XHP Tri-Ad knife, and compare it with your small sebenza. Maybe do an edge holding and lock strength comparison.

CRK wins on wood inlays.

Close this corny, translucent, tantrum troll thread and get back with us after you purchase a Cold Steel knife and have something meaningful to contribute to this subforum.

I look forward to the interim.

 

[BellaBlades]

The AK was my favorite, but due to the design it would unlock with my firm grip . Both when chopping or or hard cutting.
The Lawman did not do this. But the blade would rock back and forth with a hard grip. The buck 110 is the only back lock that does not do this for me.
The Tri Ad lock is not the best for me but is tough in many regards.

 

[Neomentat]

Uhhh, nope.

Not lashing out, not but-hurt, and not trolling. Perhaps that is all in your muddled mind.

What I am is trying to do is ask some legitimate questions about these Cold Steel....

ummm judging by your other post that was locked by the mods where you asked Cold Steel to prove that their products are not made by "child labor" I would dare say your question is not legitimate and sounds borderline loony. This video you posted clearly states that the lock failure was due to the user's accidental release of the lock.

 

[MaxFisher]

Hey, we all have our moments. Nobody's perfect.

Anyways....I became interested after researching the Tri-Ad lock subsequent to watching the mentioned test video. What would be a good model to start with for EDC? What't the best 1st purchase? Is the Code 4 the one to get?

Yes, get a Code 4. The Code 4 is one of the best all-around EDC as far as CS and Triad are concerned. If you'd prefer G-10 to the aluminum on the Code 4, then get an American Lawman. Either of those will let you see if they suit your fancy.

 

[Aias]

Second thread of this nature in the CS subforum since Mr. Demko clearly displayed the indisputable superiority of the Code 4's Tri-Ad lock vs. a knife commonly lauded as "the best folder ever". Cold Steel's been causing insane levels of butthurt among those who prefer knife fashion over knife function since they first started releasing tests on video, and I absolutely love it.

Keep doing what you're doing, Cold Steel! :thumbup:

Fashion vs function... You may have something there...

 

[Topcatpt]

this thread should be called A sebenza didnt hold up as well as a kershaw leek. Im butthurt!

 

[kidcongo]

Yes, get a Code 4. The Code 4 is one of the best all-around EDC as far as CS and Triad are concerned. If you'd prefer G-10 to the aluminum on the Code 4, then get an American Lawman. Either of those will let you see if they suit your fancy.

Thanks for an honest reply to an honest question. I appreciate it.