Trolling, trolling: Manix II CTS- XHP

[Ankerson]

You just proved what I said Vassili. It was priced at it's introduction $2 per lb. less than S60V. I knew you were wrong from the first time you said it but like so many things just telling you doesn't cause you to believe or retain information. I'm glad you looked it up yourself so hopefully you will believe it now and stop going around including the $2 per pound in your conspiracy theories.

If you occasionally price steel and buy it like I do you could have figured out by yourself the $2 per pound didn't sound right for a steel with such costly elements in it. Moly, Tungsten, and Vanadium are expensive additions. Too expensive to just put in a steel for a "conspiracy" like the one you thought up.

You don't really tend to think things through though. This conspiracy of yours is an example. If you thought it through and possibly researched some things it wouldn't have made sense any more and you could have saved yourself some embarrassment. Instead, you only seem to select, hear and retain bits and pieces here and there that fit in with your preconceived theories, which then somehow become facts in your mind. Your own version of a Confirmation Bias.

Other examples are because S30V was introduced after S60V was already on the market you continue to affirm that S30V was S60V's inferior replacement and weave your own strange conspiracy theory around that fact. You have been informed time after time that S90V was the replacement for S60V yet despite having the information you continue to run with your conspiracy theory leading up to how you are the only one who has discovered and know the truth.

That kind of roundabout thinking and circular argument is all to familiar to me from having dealt with mental health patients in the prison system. No, I'm not stating you are a mental health patient or anywhere in the system but your line of thinking is all too transparent and predictable as no matter what comes up new you just don't let go of that world where you are on top with either followers or enemies. Not much else in that world.

That's $250 per 50 minute session BTW.

Joe, you have to understand that Vassili is the only one who really knows what is going on and has all the real answers.

He sees right through all the conspiracy....

 

[nozh2002]

Joe, you have to understand that Vassili is the only one who really knows what is going on and has all the real answers.

He sees right through all the conspiracy....

I guess I misread tsdevanna post due to point placed (I thought after lb, m, mm, km, kg etc point is not reuired).
However, I honestly provide quotas, which resolve this misunderstanding. While "experts" here on a regular basis
misrepresent as my point of view as any one who does not agree with them.

This is fundamental difference. One relay more on fact other more on imagination.

This one remark good example - twist facts, add some colorful analogy... Again building solid
dream which better looking then reality.

On another note - only difference in $2.00/lb make industry give up on steel which was 2 times
better performer! Just $2.00 and they are ready to throw good steel away, crying about
"better replacement"...

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[jujigatame]

This has drifted well in to peanut butter sandwich territory I think.

 

[The Mastiff]

On another note - only difference in $2.00/lb make industry give up on steel which was 2 times
better performer! Just $2.00 and they are ready to throw good steel away, crying about
"better replacement"...

Perhaps it's not 2 times better performer in anybodies mind but yours. Even higher catra numbers don't make for better steels. Not everybody places as high a value on wear resistance as you do either. If there weren't anything other than hardness and wear resistancethen the only thing would be diamonds as they are the hardest and most wear resistant. That must make them best, eh?

In your world nothing else matters so you are in fact using inferior steels and knives. I thought you said you don't waste your time.

 

[nozh2002]

Spyderco did not do good job on the lock. I am not sure is it design flow or they compromise usability to make production cheaper, but it is pretty easy to fix with Dremel (just wear dusk mask, because G10 dust is very dangerous). To me the way lock came from he factory is "half baked" (which is not big deal for me - I grew up in USSR, where almost everything was made this way):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDIcms1Xz_g

I did it right away and report it on Spyderco forum, but Sal just ignore it. So I assume that making this simple grooves in Manix lock hole unacceptable expensive in production - if they give up excellent steel to one which is half good just because it cheaper $2/lb I think it is just hard to expect them to give up production cost for quality improvement.

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[The Mastiff]

I did it right away and report it on Spyderco forum, but Sal just ignore it. So I assume that making this simple grooves in Manix lock hole unacceptable expensive in production - if they give up excellent steel to one which is half good just because it cheaper $2/lb I think it is just hard to expect them to give up production cost for quality improvement.

Once again you're making up things. Got any evidence Spyderco gave up 440V because S30V was 2$ per pound cheaper or are you here trolling again? Lets see you back up your words Vassili.

Could I back up a statement like that? Why, yes. Yes I can. Can you back up yours? I doubt it. But go ahead try.

I could guess and say your vendetta seemed to start against Spyderco when the administration was not protecting you from being laughed at. I also recall you demanding action after a comment was made about "shoe banging" and, IIRC, you claimed racism and demanded action even though no one even knows what race you are. You then began your current campaign against Spyderco, and Sal, Probably the only one who has always treated you with respect and decency. What's that saying? Something about a person being so stubborn they would "cut off their own nose to spite their face" ? You always liked and got along with Sal before that. Even now despite your constant insults to Spyderco he treats you respectfully, and has stood up for you and your work.

Just how many "D'OH!" moments does a guy get in his lifetime?

 

[The Mastiff]

Spyderco gave up 440V (S60V) due to chipping problems of the steel, it's pretty brittle.

Yep. It's been clearly stated here enough times, as well as elsewhere. Vassili isn't above doing a bit of lying here and there. All this revenge for an incident Sal probably doesn't even know about or remember.

All this does not make lock better, isn't it? You still can not open it with one finger, without fixing it yourself...

You're reaching here.

This lock is poorly designed and poorly manufactured - in result it need to be fixed out of the box, then it became as good as other locks. Idea to prevent it from accidental opening by making it hard to open normal way is hard to accept

You mean making it hard to close. Lets get it straight if a complaint is necessary.

BTW how many successful lock designs have you patented and put on the market successfully with a high a return customer, and customer satisfaction base to the point that people preorder them months in advance? In fact can you give us an example of any of your achievements? Even little ones satisfying a large and diverse customer base?

I can remember very clearly when Sal and Spyderco could do no wrong in your eyes and you routinely, even embarrassingly old him so. Then you got your feelings hurt I guess?

Poor Vassili. To be so impotent you are reduced to trolling spyderco forums still getting laughed at all because you were laughed at.

 

[JNewell]

You have an illness, really. You need treatment. I'm not trying to insult you, and I'm not trying to be humorous.

Common, with all other locks around which can be opened with one finger, this one designed not to be opened this way, probably to successfully compete with other lock which are more convenient for use? And with little effort - little groove around lock pin it became as useful as other lock?

This customer loyalty is way too much, if every body would accept whatever company do, any failure - it will lead to degradation, which I already observes. From inaccurate grind to design which ignores need to open lock with one finger and lowering warranty standards. Company in result will go to have those unreasonably loyal customers as only customer base.

This lock is poorly designed and poorly manufactured - in result it need to be fixed out of the box, then it became as good as other locks. Idea to prevent it from accidental opening by making it hard to open normal way is hard to accept.

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[nozh2002]

I guess I just don't understand why one would continue not only to purchase or purchase in the first place, a design they feel is flawed, from a company they have issue with, solely for a steel they think is one of the best in the industry. Quite honestly, the more I use CTS-XHP, the less I like it. It's a decent steel, but I've found there are others I like quite a bit beter. It's not the end all, be all. I certainly wouldn't buy a knife who's design I took issue with, from a company I took issue with, just for a blade in it. I'm not positive I'd buy another knife in it at all.

Are you calling for boycott Spyderco?

 

[nozh2002]

No I'm not. I've bought several recently and plan on several more as certain models become available. Whether intentional or unintentional, you missed my point completely.

If I don't like a knife or a company, I just don't buy it, or from them. "Calling for a boycott Spyderco"???? Really?

If you don't like a knife or company, you boycott it - is it correct? So if you see design flow in one knife - you are boycotting company and not buying anything from it - is it what you are talking about?

And because it of this flow in lock design - Spyderco should be boycotted? I just try to understand logic behind you "don't understanding".

Is it how you understand relation between consumer and manufacturer?

 

[Leadfoot2]

You have an illness, really. You need treatment. I'm not trying to insult you, and I'm not trying to be humorous.

Possible explanation of the "illness" Dunning-Kruger Effect

Leadfoot

 

[The Mastiff]

Leadfoot, I've stated before that if he knew twice as much as he does now, he would realize he doesn't know half as much as he thinks he does.

There are other problems with his personality. His attempt to get back at Spyderco and Sal leads him into misstating or misquoting facts. Even when corrected by several people he sticks to the same line as long as it appears to give credence to his whole conspiracy theory that includes knife manufacturers, steel foundrys, Metallurgists, and independent knife makers.

His unrelenting vindictiveness due to perceived slights by people who have no idea there was an issue to begin with shows how bent out of shape by little things he gets.

I recall a few years ago a conversation he had here with another computer programmer where he stated he thought he was going crazy little by little. The other guy was joking but to be honest I don't think Vassili was. His thought processes and behavior have noticeably deteriorated over the last few years.

Several of the forums he posted at have banned him so I know his strange and abrasive behavior isn't exclusive to BF. Likewise a Russian language forum banned him so no, it's not just a language thing.

I ignored his antics for years until he began his attacks on people that have brought many achievements and advancements to the knife industry as if he was attempting to drive them off with boorish behavior. I began by treating him with great respect and attempted to get him to tone it down but it seemed to make his behavior more aggressive. Some people are just like that I guess.

Crazy or just a troublemaker is really irrelevant though. He needs to tone down the lying, name calling and general trolling. It's a shame overall as he could probably add much to our knowledge base if he snapped out of it and lost the ego problems and cut back on the silly vendettas.

 

[nozh2002]

waaaaaaaaa?

I'm glad XHP works well for you. Enjoy it. You're right, that's what makes collecting knives so great. I prefer several other steels over XHP..some by a large margin, based solely on what I use them for, in the environment I use them in, sharpened in the way I sharpen them on the schedule I sharpen them. It's a good steel. The more I use it, the less I like it for me. The point of the post you quoted is not an issue with XHP or Spyderco but with a certain person, their posts, and the way they seem to twist anything they read or hear to meet their own narrow and in some cases convoluted views. Enjoy the XM. Absolutely beautiful knife. I look forward to seeing pics.

I do not really think this is credible.

First he suggest to Boycott Spyderco based on the fact that they did not done good job on Manix II lock.

Second he talk about using this steel, but no clue how - just this:

..."based solely on what I use them for, in the environment I use them in, sharpened in the way I sharpen them on the schedule I sharpen them"...

to me it looks like we do not have credible base for any conclusion - this is not about manila rope, or cardboard or something credible.

He complain about me twisting this and that, but look what he is doing? No single facts or example just quite a bit of empty words. I guess we have another "steel expert" here.
He did not even mention any other steel he prefers.

 

[singularity35]

Ghetto wave ,,haha. I never liked that setup .scares the common folk and is dangerous imo

Well, being that the manix 2 doesn't work for me, it stays in the box, at home. But if I bring that mofo, common folks don't get to see it. It's only the uncommon folks who get to see my "tactical" knife. It wouldn't be ghetto waved otherwise. If I just needed to use a knife in a plant nursery where common folks will see it, why should I ghetto wave it?

We all have different uses for our knives, which BTW for me for this specific knife, is weapon retention and is carried in the left front pocket(weak side). I surely won't be concerned what the common people will think about a ghetto wave if my pistol is being grabbed. And it's way more dangerous if I allow my pistol to be grabbed while taking my time to thumb my knife open with my weak hand just so the common folk won't get scared. Oh and the Philippines being a knife culture, I don't have much worries about scaring the common folk. People here grew up around bolos and machetes, they're going to be more scared of the firearm that is being grabbed.

But there you go again projecting your experiences onto other people to whom your experiences have no relevance. Haven't you learned from the previous thread that whatever your experience may have taught you, your experiences don't hold true for everybody?

And before you project your experiences again about whether to carry or not, suffice it to say "because I can".

 

[spydusse]

Geez ur a little sensitive hunh. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings buddy. Defenition of ghetto the way it was used was a cheap way of setting up something for use. Wasn't calling you a gangsta....gangsta. ok so what your saying iis we are on these forums to not talk about the way we carry use and like specific knives as indivduals . Well then what the hell are we doing on here......gangsta. please show me where''there I go again'' is. In thaestt one line I don't see anywhere where I said that setup is for complete jack@sses and she never be used on any knife in any situation. I said I yes I don't like that setup not no one should .
I dunno,maybe in the Philippines zip ties are expensive . Wich then would make me saying ''ghetto'' wave out of line .if that's the case I apologize.

 

[singularity35]

Geez ur a little sensitive hunh. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings buddy. Defenition of ghetto the way it was used was a cheap way of setting up something for use. Wasn't calling you a gangsta....gangsta. ok so what your saying iis we are on these forums to not talk about the way we carry use and like specific knives as indivduals . Well then what the hell are we doing on here......gangsta. please show me where''there I go again'' is. In that one line I don't see anywhere where I said that setup is for complete jack@sses and should never be used on any knife in any situation. I said I yes I don't like that setup not no one should .

Ok, peace...

 

[singularity35]

Geez ur a little sensitive hunh. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings buddy. Defenition of ghetto the way it was used was a cheap way of setting up something for use. Wasn't calling you a gangsta....gangsta. ok so what your saying iis we are on these forums to not talk about the way we carry use and like specific knives as indivduals . Well then what the hell are we doing on here......gangsta. please show me where''there I go again'' is. In thaestt one line I don't see anywhere where I said that setup is for complete jack@sses and she never be used on any knife in any situation. I said I yes I don't like that setup not no one should .
I dunno,maybe in the Philippines zip ties are expensive . Wich then would make me saying ''ghetto'' wave out of line .if that's the case I apologize.

Well you seem to have edited your post.

Oh no, it takes more than you can dish out to hurt my feelings. I just find it funny that you think only what you experience is relevant. Maybe one day your mind will be open enough to realize that the range of experience is wider than yours alone.

 

[spydusse]

I certainly do not think just my expperiances are relevant otherwise what would I be doing on these forums. What I do is take testing done bye Ankerson,vassili,people with good exp. In elemental make up of a steel and my own experiances and form my opinions from the combination of all. Isn't what your saying I do you are in fact doing ?

 

[singularity35]

I certainly do not think just my expperiances are relevant otherwise what would I be doing on these forums. What I do is take testing done bye Ankerson,vassili,people with good exp. In elemental make up of a steel and my own experiances and form my opinions from the combination of all. Isn't what your saying I do you are in fact doing ?

LOL. You seem to be the one saying that, not I. Just because you say so don't make it so.

but whatever.....

 

[spydusse]

I'm rubber and your glue anything you say bounces off of me and sticks to you. I'm in full agreement with you ''whatever'', let's end it .peace