UFO thoughts - NEWSFLASH

I saw this video. Looked pretty good, but I have also heard it was thought to be a hoax.

However, i haven't found anything that is super credible or glaring that it IS a hoax.
 
The Jerusalem one seems like a fake, based on the audio have flat digital parts. I want to believe, but have to be a disciple of science.

:D Too bad they didn't have it flashing something insulting in Morse code.

DannyinJapan said:
You'd think, if it were future humans, they'd develop a ship that didn't put out so much radiation and fry everything within 20 yards.
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This. Being a Texan, I know you know of this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash-Landrum_incident

Always thought this tie-in counted for something:
"This incident occurred only one day after the Rendlesham Forest Incident was said to have happened in the UK."


Mike
 
I saw this photo and it sure looks like the guy in the middle is a prisoner to me. Hands behind his back and the other two appear to be armed. Kinda funny I have not seen any of the news stories mention this. I have to wonder what they were thinking when the aircraft flew by. Did he think his gods were going to rescue him if he was a prisoner?

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Ad Astra said:
The Jerusalem one seems like a fake, based on the audio have flat digital parts. I want to believe, but have to be a disciple of science.

:D Too bad they didn't have it flashing something insulting in Morse code.


This. Being a Texan, I know you know of this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash-Landrum_incident

Always thought this tie-in counted for something:
"This incident occurred only one day after the Rendlesham Forest Incident was said to have happened in the UK."


Mike
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I know it very well. The gossip about Cash Landrum was that it was one of our prototype ships using some kind of nuclear power supply that just didnt work very well. (someone also suggested that it DID kill the pilot) No proof of anything, of course.

I have always tried to keep the parts I believe restricted to those that came from scientists and military persons of unimpeachable credibility.
I see no reason to believe that being a scientist and believing in UFOs would be mutually exclusive. (many of them do)
The goal of science, as I understand it, is to explore what is not already understood. Some folks tend to think that, if they don't understand it, then it can't exist and therefore, should not be explored.
Personally, I don't believe that. I think they are just frightened by the possibility of visitors.

All I ask is that people really do some homework before they make up their minds (or make pronouncements). Read Paul Hill's book BEFORE you do anything else.
http://www.amazon.com/Unconventiona...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1296783112&sr=8-1
 
DannyinJapan said:
You'd think, if it were future humans, they'd develop a ship that didn't put out so much radiation and fry everything within 20 yards.
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If they are using fusion reactors, the primary radiation would be neutrons, and neutrons can go through many feet of lead. That's one reason why you're not likely to have a fusion reactor in your car any time soon. Even if it was really small, you'd still get irradiated even with several feet of lead between you and the reactor.

If there are such things, it would be interesting to know how the pilots manage to shield themselves from neutron radiation while everything else around the ship gets irradiated.
 
tedwca said:
I saw this photo and it sure looks like the guy in the middle is a prisoner to me. Hands behind his back and the other two appear to be armed. Kinda funny I have not seen any of the news stories mention this. I have to wonder what they were thinking when the aircraft flew by. Did he think his gods were going to rescue him if he was a prisoner?

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They may be primitive, but look out for those poison arrows!
 
Steely_Gunz said:
Really? I mean I don't doubt that given enough time and with enough technological dependence that we could easily shrink in stature. However, is the 100,000 years time frame a real number they have stated? I'm actually very curious. My thoughts that we could radically transform would take many, many generations. Maybe 1,000,000 years or better.

However, as a social scientist, I cannot discredit the idea that our lifestyle and technological prowess my speed this transformation up ten fold.

I'm not trying to be rude. I hope I'm not coming off like that regarding the time frame. I just earnestly would like to know:):thumbup:

But, I could certainly see inter-dimensionals visiting our past and having their technology crap out on them. I mean, even if I were a lowly scientist studying the habits of rock-wielding monkeys, if cut off from going home what would I do?....Umm use my technological expertise to frame myself as some sort of god:D If I have to live out my days with savage monkey people, I might as well be waited on hand and foot, right?;)
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Here's the deal: when I was a kid, I sometimes read the now-defunct science magazine, Omni. In one short article I read, a new theory was advanced, that after an exceptionally long period of future evolution, humans might change by getting smaller, and having larger brains in proportion to our bodies, etc. The time frame given was either 10,000 or 100,000 years; I don't remember which. (My estimate was a conservative one, allowing for more time.)
A couple of years alter, when I saw the "alien abduction" stories for the first time on TV, the resemblance between the pictures and the description that I'd read, struck me immediately. I also remembered the accounts of alleged inter-breeding in some stories, which would suggest us being the same, or similar, species. (Despite depictions on "Star Trek," the INability to interbreed is considered one of the most important biological distinctions between species.) So I came up with the "time travel" theory, and have heard it echoed in at least one other source, in the years since.

That's all, really. In defense of the theory, I might ask you to think of how much WE have evolved in about 100,000 years or so, when the Neanderthals and H. floriensis (the "hobbits") were still floating around, and modern H. Sapiens hadn't migrated out of Africa yet (according to some accounts). Although a transformation into "Roswell Greys" is still rather drastic, such a time frame clearly leaves enough room for some visible changes.
 
Nicholas said:
Here's the deal: when I was a kid, I sometimes read the now-defunct science magazine, Omni. In one short article I read, a new theory was advanced, that after an exceptionally long period of future evolution, humans might change by getting smaller, and having larger brains in proportion to our bodies, etc. The time frame given was either 10,000 or 100,000 years; I don't remember which. (My estimate was a conservative one, allowing for more time.)
A couple of years alter, when I saw the "alien abduction" stories for the first time on TV, the resemblance between the pictures and the description that I'd read, struck me immediately. I also remembered the accounts of alleged inter-breeding in some stories, which would suggest us being the same, or similar, species. (Despite depictions on "Star Trek," the INability to interbreed is considered one of the most important biological distinctions between species.) So I came up with the "time travel" theory, and have heard it echoed in at least one other source, in the years since.

That's all, really. In defense of the theory, I might ask you to think of how much WE have evolved in about 100,000 years or so, when the Neanderthals and H. floriensis (the "hobbits") were still floating around, and modern H. Sapiens hadn't migrated out of Africa yet (according to some accounts). Although a transformation into "Roswell Greys" is still rather drastic, such a time frame clearly leaves enough room for some visible changes.
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Ah very cool:) thanks.
 
I have to admit that anything is possible. (To me, THAT is what makes a man a scientist.)
The only glitch with the "future man" visitor theory is that the gray tend to have trouble breathing our air and they have adapted to a low-light environment. (much darker than here)
Also, there are credible reports of other types of visitors. (rare, but a few)

But ignore the physical nature of the reported beings if you like, and look at the "dirt" evidence.
What can cause a 15 foot diameter circle of grass in somebody's yard to suddenly be burnt and blackened, totally dessicated and incapable of sustaining plant life afterwards ? What "prankster" carries a gigantic microwave oven in the back of his car out to the middle of nowhere and does this ?
 
Hey the 'gods' were attracted to and had sex with our woman. They impregnated them! These 'gods' were human to do that. I'd say that much is a given. Whether they came from the future or not is debatable but they were not extra terrestrial aliens to come here and find compatible mates. That has to be some kind of a astromomical impossibility right there to even conceive that this would be possible.

I can imagine man at one time being advanced enough to manipulate DNA well enough to create their own slave society of 'worker class citizens' that resembles themselves enough for some in the society warped enough mentally to go for it in the sack with one of them. I mean afterall its been said some people will screw anything, sheep even! :barf:

With that said though I can't imagine going to another planet and finding some tri-lateral symetry quadra ped alien attractive enough to want to capture her and then have sex with her can you? :barf: I would imagine if these gods were really alien to earth that the "came down from heaven and took woman as they pleased" parts of our myths and ancient stories would be non-existent. I find it easier to believe they were survivors of some cataclysm and sex deprived for so long that by the time they could come back to the surface of earth they just did what men do only they played god to do it.

STR
 
DannyinJapan said:
I have to admit that anything is possible. (To me, THAT is what makes a man a scientist.)
The only glitch with the "future man" visitor theory is that the gray tend to have trouble breathing our air and they have adapted to a low-light environment. (much darker than here)
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I'm prepared to accept that we could change like that, personally, particularly with regard to lighting. In fact, I think that an individual person could be poorly adapted to light, even within their own lifetime.


Also, there are credible reports of other types of visitors. (rare, but a few)
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Oh, I believe you; I never said that ALL the proposed aliens ever seen were Greys. I remember some of the weirder depictions, myself, from a lifetime's reading: the Hopkinsbille Goblins, the Flatwoods Monster, and one seriously weird depiction from my childhood, of floating, legless grey things with nearly nonexistent features. But for this one, distinct class of sightings, I threw my theory out there.
 
Ya know, I dunno wanna hijack Danny's thread, but the talk of various cryptozoological phenomena might make an interesting thread. I'm not saying that cryptoids are "real" or that they may be "alien", but since a lot of us seem to have some sort of open-mindedness when it comes to the "fantastic" I would love to hear some of the encounters some of y'all have had with strange phenomena or even local legends that are from around your area.

New thread forthcoming:)
 
DannyinJapan said:
Absolutely everyone is entitled to their opinions. Me, I have never seen one, so I tend to listen to people whose credibility is unimpeachable. When the head research scientist at NASA's Langley center says "yes" to the visitor question, I believe him.
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I do not. Although, I believe it would be an astronomical waste to have a universe this large without populating it with countless billions of satient occupied planets. The thing is also so large as to preclude that any of these settlements meet, the individual groups would become extinct before they could evolve the needed technology and invest enough time to conduct a sufficent search.

Also, I firmly believe, that if any group had discovered us; that there would have been an immediate and massive exploitation of that discovery. It would be pointless to play these games of hide-and-seek. They would immediately know everything about us that is worth knowing, so what would be the point of preying on some addled country boys in the middle of the night?

n2s
 
You're asking questions that even my "sources" can't answer. All signs point to scientific study, actually, it resembles game management....
 
Here's another theory on why they skulk around: they're not supposed to be here. Since they clearly have nothing to fear from us, they must have something to fear from someone else, perhaps a supervising power of some kind.
For example, could we be under some kind of quarantine or protective status? Could we be in someone else's territory/possessions without knowing it? In any case, our "visitors" may be here without permission, and simply don't want to get caught.

of course, this doesn't fit well with the "time travel" theory, but it's something that I've also thought of...
 
Nicholas said:
Here's another theory on why they skulk around: they're not supposed to be here. Since they clearly have nothing to fear from us, they must have something to fear from someone else, perhaps a supervising power of some kind.
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What I was once told is that it has been theorized that some of these entities (for want of a better word) are operating in violation of certain rules or treaties. Either they are acting as outlaws or criminals.

Motivations vary from poaching to social engineering. They are trying to change the way people think, possibly with the intent of destabilizing society.

It has been postulated that our own intelligence services have been experimenting with ways to hoax extraterrestrial sightings and use psychologists to create "repressed memories" of abductions. Why they'd do that is open to speculation.
 
thought I would share my own story... has nothing to do with speculation or theory.
My father, a police officer for 33 years, was coming home from his police station one day. He had a straight due-West commute home that was roughly 45 miles. He saw an object in the sky for the last 20-25 minutes of the way home. As he drove along, the object never moved. When he came into the house, he had my family come outside to see what he was seeing.

We lived 40 miles away from Houston and NOWHERE near an airport. Anything flying over would still be at least 10,000 feet in the air at least. Most, if not all commercial flights were at high altitude 30,000 feet.

When we came out to see what he was talking about, we saw a large abject that seemed to be about a mile away in the sky near the horizon. It stayed there for about 10 minutes. As dusk approached, lights appeared from this craft. It disappeared for about 30 seconds, then reappeared for 30 seconds. After reappearing, it flew very quickly accross the sky about 2-3 miles, then right back to where it was originally. It did this in about .1 second. My entire family saw this. After returning to its original position, it disappeared again for the night.

We never saw this again, and it was not reported in any media source. I am still skeptical of what I saw, but I believe it was not man-made.

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