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I grew up at this house from age 6 to 18. This was LARGE, colorful, silent, and disappeared twice. It appeared in both sunlight and nearing darkness. not a planet or star.... jus' sayin' :D

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bush-haus said:
I grew up at this house from age 6 to 18. This was LARGE, colorful, silent, and disappeared twice. It appeared in both sunlight and nearing darkness. not a planet or star.... jus' sayin' :D
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Many years ago, when I was in Scouts, myself and a dozen other people witnessed a large glowing green ovoid object hovering noiselessly. Then it started to move. I'm not sure how it managed to do this, as we never actually saw it in motion, but it proceeded to repeatedly "blink" out and immediately reappear some distance away. It did this back and forth about 30 or 40 times over the course of about 15 minutes. If it was moving it was much faster than the eye could follow. Wasn't any sort of meteorological anomaly or experimental aircraft. This was a clear night so it wasn't a spotlight or projection either. I'm not sure what it was.
 
tyr_shadowblade said:
What I was once told is that it has been theorized that some of these entities (for want of a better word) are operating in violation of certain rules or treaties. Either they are acting as outlaws or criminals.
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PRECISELY. Thank you for putting it somewhat better than I did.


Motivations vary from poaching to social engineering. They are trying to change the way people think, possibly with the intent of destabilizing society.
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Me, I suspect that there's money involved, or something military/intelligence related. If you'll forgive me, I doubt that "outlaws" would have goals as complex, much less as high-minded, as the ones listed above.


It has been postulated that our own intelligence services have been experimenting with ways to hoax extraterrestrial sightings and use psychologists to create "repressed memories" of abductions. Why they'd do that is open to speculation.
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That was a major plot point of The X-Files, although I never cared for that show and its conspiratorial outlook. Personally, I think this theory is a bit convoluted; people can reach more obvious goals with simpler methods.
 
Meanwhile, my Dad and his mom (i.e. Grandma) have had their own odd sightings, here and there, although my memory of the details is weak. I do remember that Dad claims to have seen a fast-moving light in the sky, which coincided with some TV/radio interference. Grandma's experience was with something floating slowly and moving up and down, loaded with lights, over the woods behind her house.

I probably need to get more info, after all these years....
 
That photo is a bit mis-leading, NO?

Unless that "primitive" culture has a genius Forge Smith...the long knife being held by one of the tribe's people is from a "civilized" person.

I understand where you are going with this.

For the sake of my family, I have no further comment about UFO's or their possible affect on human development or evolution.
 
Sorry I missed the earlier post about the long knife.

However, regardless of who they have had contact with, knowledge of an "outside" world does not escape even the most primitive peoples.

My favorite movie somewhat along there lines...

"THE GODS MUST BE CRAZY"
 
It just so happens that all the biology books are being changed this week, to account for a kid who has not only survived without a cerebellum, but is almost completely normal..

Science gets humbled by that which cannot be on a regular basis, contrary to some opinions.
 
The only thing science is positive about is that there are always contradictions to everything.
For instance, if you ask most people, including scientists, what an alien would look like, the majority come up with something that is humanoid in compositon.
If we are ever "visited" why couldn't the "alien" be a virus, microbe, or something non-humanoid.
One other thing is that we tend to assume that these "beings" have emotions as well.
I think we tend to "humanize" things so that we find them more acceptable.
 
Of course! But from the point of view of some shark getting tagged by a team of marine biologists, we might not seem so "humane."
 
What I meant by "humanize" is that we tend to make things/beings function like humans--- emotions, bi-pedal, predatory etc.
We make robots that try to simulate people and there capabilites, but how do you program a robot to be vindictive? jealous? prideful?
Same as "visitors". We usually make them something like ourselves.
They "visit" for exploration, resources, or scientific study.
We determine why they are here based on pure conjecture and that their behaviours are similar to ours.
I'm actually glad that I have never had an "sighting/encounter" because truth be know I'm not sure how I would react.
Partly I would be curious, but mostly I would be worried about self-preservation and would respond accordingly--- fight or flight. Which is the same reaction that would take place if I ran into anything that couldn't really be explained.
 
Joe, the descriptions of grays have been consistent on every continent, every language on Earth going back thousands of years. Your theory supposes that people are "making up" (and anthropomorphizing) visitors. People have just been describing something that they see, with remarkable consistency. If people were making them up, and I'm talking about planet-wide, the idea that there would be such detailed consistency would be unthinkable. It's a kind of proof itself, at least it is to me.

I might piss myself if I ever saw one, but I hope it happens anyway.
 
JOE68 said:
The only thing science is positive about is that there are always contradictions to everything.
For instance, if you ask most people, including scientists, what an alien would look like, the majority come up with something that is humanoid in compositon.
If we are ever "visited" why couldn't the "alien" be a virus, microbe, or something non-humanoid.
One other thing is that we tend to assume that these "beings" have emotions as well.
I think we tend to "humanize" things so that we find them more acceptable.
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What would you have them say? We need some kind of cultural reference point in order to recognize these things as living or setient beings. But, it can also be argued that given a similar set of circumstances, another planet where conditions are identical to Earth, evolution would have to solve the same physical problems, and life forms similar to what we have here will evolve along parallel lines.

n2s
 
DannyinJapan said:
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I might piss myself if I ever saw one, but I hope it happens anyway.
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If they are that much like us they would probably be conducting genocide to take over the place. One of the big problems with UFO's believers is the assumption that these things would be both advanced and benevolent. Clearly any species which is that altruistic would have been flushed down the sewage ways of evolution.

n2s
 
Reading this thread has been thought provoking. I am reminded of a quote I heard attributed to Stephan Hawking that went something like this: If there are advanced extra terrestrials, we may not want them to find us. The effect would be much like what happened when Europeans discovered the new world.... didn't work out very well for the indians.

I also wonder what is with the spate of alien invasion movies/tv lately... If they ever did show up, most of the population would be scared as hell, and probably hostile in some way. Even if they were around for awhile and seemed good, the series V would be stuck in my brain.
 
not2sharp said:
If they are that much like us they would probably be conducting genocide to take over the place. One of the big problems with UFO's believers is the assumption that these things would be both advanced and benevolent. Clearly any species which is that altruistic would have been flushed down the sewage ways of evolution. n2s
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I am unaware of any such assumptions (among normal people)
Most reliable witnesses expressed either fear or shock/bewilderment.
Most of my fellow "believers" don't have any assumptions about the nature of visitors beyond what the evidence suggests.
The evidence suggests only scientific curiosity.
Advanced transportation and technology, yes.

Physical evolution doesn't indicate anything about a "moral code." Altruism has been shown to exist in other species, like baboons, and it functions to ensure the survival of the species.
 
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